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CACHE VALLEY REFUGEE ORAL HISTORY PROJECT&#13;
TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET&#13;
Interviewee(s): Kyaw Eh&#13;
Present: Meagan Gill, Wes Van de Water, Bethany Hanks, Kyaw Eh&#13;
Place of Interview: Kyaw Eh’s home, Hyrum, Utah&#13;
Date of Interview: May 16, 2015&#13;
Language(s): English&#13;
Translation:&#13;
Interviewer: Meagan Gill&#13;
Interpreter: None&#13;
Recordist: Bethany Hanks&#13;
Photographer: Wes Van de Water&#13;
Recording Equipment: Tascam DR-100mk11 linear PCM recorder; Senal ENG-18RL&#13;
broadcast-quality omnidirectional dynamic microphone&#13;
Transcription Equipment: Express Scribe with PowerPlayer foot pedal.&#13;
Transcribed by: Susan Gross, May 25, 2015&#13;
Transcript Proofed by:&#13;
Brief Description of Contents: Mr. Kyaw Eh describes his home village and family in Burma,&#13;
and what his childhood was like growing up and working on a rice paddy farm. He talks about&#13;
the civil war in Burma, and the inequalities and suffering the Karen people were put through by&#13;
the Burmese military. He discusses life in the United States, and his religious (Buddhist) views&#13;
on life, as well as his dreams of being able to help orphaned Burmese children attain health care&#13;
and education one day in the future.&#13;
Reference: MG = Meagan Gill&#13;
KE = Kyaw Eh&#13;
BH = Bethany Hanks&#13;
WV = Wes Van de Water&#13;
NOTE: [You will have to modify this as appropriate—whether using CommGap or in-person&#13;
interpreter.] The interview was conducted with CommGap Interpretive Services; the interpreter&#13;
joined the interview via a cell phone. False starts, pauses, or transitions in dialogue such as “uh”&#13;
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Cache&#13;
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Refugee&#13;
Oral&#13;
History&#13;
Project:&#13;
Kyaw&#13;
Eh&#13;
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TAPE TRANSCRIPTION&#13;
[00:01]&#13;
MG: Today is May 16th, 2015. This is Meagan Gill, I am with Wes Van de Water and Bethany&#13;
Hanks; we’re students at Utah State University, and we are working on a project called&#13;
“Voices: Refugees in Cache Valley.” I am interviewing Kyaw Eh?&#13;
KE: Yes.&#13;
MG: At his home in Hyrum, Utah. Thanks for letting us interview you. My first question is can&#13;
you state your full name and your birth year for me?&#13;
KE: My name is Kyaw; my birthday is August 15th, 1979.&#13;
MG: Thanks. And what languages do you speak.&#13;
KE: My home language is Karen (K-A-R-E-N) – Karen; but I can speak four languages.&#13;
MG: What other languages?&#13;
KE: Burmese, Thai and English (not really well).&#13;
MG: Tell me about your family.&#13;
KE: My family: I have two sister, and one brother – including me we have four in my – I have&#13;
my mom and she live in [??], but my dad (since 1995) because he disappear (because we&#13;
have our Karen Revolution to fight the Burmese government). They’re fighting since that&#13;
year – he die or – we don’t anything about it; so he lost. There are a lot of people (Karen&#13;
soldier) die in the war – we have a civil war. My dad – he die, or we don’t know&#13;
anything; we don’t have any information – nobody can tell us if he is still alive or no. But&#13;
we don’t know [??].&#13;
MG: There is no program or way to find out if someone has died or not?&#13;
KE: No, no, no because it is really difficult because in the Karen state we live in the jungle in&#13;
a mountain; we don’t have any electricity, we don’t have any internet, we don’t have any&#13;
phone to contact each other. It’s really hard to find each other if somebody go away (for&#13;
example). We have no way to meet each other again, I think.&#13;
MG: Can you describe the ethnic or religious community you belong to (if any)?&#13;
KE: I was born in Karen state in Burma – I am Karen ethnic group. My religion is Buddhist,&#13;
Buddha, Buddhism.&#13;
[03:41]&#13;
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MG: Tell me about the place where you were born.&#13;
KE: I was born – about what? The place, what – describe?&#13;
MG: Yeah.&#13;
KE: The place where I was born is a – how is it called – it’s regional, like kind of the&#13;
countryside (it’s not in a city). We had like a paddy farm: we grow the paddy: rice (paddy&#13;
farm). We had a farm and we had animal like a cow, buffalo (something like that). We&#13;
live just natural in the jungle or something like that; it’s not in a city. We don’t have any&#13;
electric in our village.&#13;
MG: How long did you live there?&#13;
KE: Since I was born until – I grew up there, but I think because I moved to the refugee camp&#13;
I lived there eight year. I moved from my place to the refugee camp since 1999 (around&#13;
that), since I was born.&#13;
MG: Okay. And why did you leave?&#13;
KE: Because there are a lot of problem: we had a problem with Burmese soldier troop – when&#13;
they come to our village they just give us whatever they want: torture us, and they just&#13;
give us the (how’s it called?) – the bullet, the big – like they fire the gun. We have to&#13;
carry, we have to follow them in the jungle wherever they go. We have to carry the heavy&#13;
thing, the heavy bullets (something like that). For example, if we cannot carry it, they do&#13;
whatever they want: even they can kill us, something like that. That’s why – especially&#13;
for the men and the boy, for the men and the boy; but the woman is better than the man to&#13;
live there. Mostly they just capture the men or the boy – have to follow them.&#13;
MG: What all did they make the boys and men do?&#13;
[06:23]&#13;
KE: Excuse me?&#13;
MG: What kinds of things did they make the boys and men do?&#13;
KE: That’s what I told you – we have to carry the bullet or the gun with them, their food –&#13;
because over there we don’t have any (how does it call it), the road, the car or the&#13;
motorcycles go the road – we don’t have of the car road. We have to walk by our foot,&#13;
our feet. We have to walk and go to the jungle because the Burmese troop – they go fight&#13;
the ethnic group; they go to fight the ethnic group, that’s why they call us go with them.&#13;
If they die, we die there; kind of like they are scary enemy – they just keep us the cover&#13;
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escape from my village and come to the refugee camp: to save.&#13;
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MG: Okay. Where did you relocate to first?&#13;
KE: Pardon me?&#13;
MG: Where did you go – where was the first camp that you went to?&#13;
KE: Oh, yes – Mae La camp is where I live. Mae La camp we called – Mae La camp is on the&#13;
Thai/Burma border. That’s went into in Thailand – is the border we have the refugee&#13;
camps there. It is like the United Nation – they have the food, they give the clothes for&#13;
the education, for the house; everything they provide the refugees there. There I study the&#13;
camp a year – I go to school there.&#13;
MG: What was it like there, from day to day? What kinds of things did you do?&#13;
KE: We just go to school when I live there; we don’t have nothing to do because we cannot go&#13;
outside the camp.&#13;
MG: Um-hmm?&#13;
KE: The Thai military – they control – the Thai authority, they don’t want the refugees go&#13;
outside, spread anywhere (something like that). We have to stay at only in the camp:&#13;
morning, go to school; after school, go home. We play: we have the playgrounds and play&#13;
soccer, visit each other in the camps – just like kind of in a jail. I can say in a jail, like in&#13;
a jail: we cannot go anywhere; just I would visit a friend in the camp.&#13;
[09:20]&#13;
MG: Can you tell me more about the food and any medical care you received in the camp?&#13;
KE: The medical care?&#13;
MG: Um-hmm.&#13;
KE: I would say really good; pretty good. We have like a hospital: a medical care center; we&#13;
have everything like that – it’s like other countries, and better than in Burma (a lot better&#13;
than in Burma), but we don’t have to pay nothing. We go whenever we sick we go to the&#13;
hospital, we have medicine or something, they check everything – it’s for free. We don’t&#13;
have to pay nothing.&#13;
MG: Did you celebrate any holy days or holidays in camp?&#13;
KE: Oh, yes. Our Karen holidays, kind of like our Karen New Year, and then our Karen [??]&#13;
Thai ceremony (we call it) we celebrate like a traditional celebrate every year in August.&#13;
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KE: Oh no, we don’t have – no, we don’t have any specials give to [??]; no, nothing.&#13;
MG: Were you able to make any like special food?&#13;
KE: In celebrate?&#13;
MG: For celebration?&#13;
KE: For celebration?&#13;
MG: Um-hmm.&#13;
KE: We used to have like our Karen food and Karen New Year; yeah, we have just – we call&#13;
(how do we call it) – it’s almost the same Thanksgiving in America (but we don’t have&#13;
any turkey over there) [laughs] – it’s not turkey, but other food we ate.&#13;
MG: Okay. What was it like working a paddy farm?&#13;
KE: Paddy farm?&#13;
MG: Um-hmm.&#13;
KE: You have not seen – never seen paddy farm? No?&#13;
MG: A few pictures, that’s it.&#13;
KE: [Laughs] Alright, so how do you want to know the paddy farm?&#13;
MG: Just day to day activities?&#13;
KE: Oh, because you’ve seen the rainy season we grow the paddy since the seed, the rice (the&#13;
paddy) seed we grow, and (how is it called) – we put the nursery (nursery, right?). We&#13;
put the nursery and they grow for about one (how is it called?) – feet?&#13;
MG: Um-hmm?&#13;
KE: One feet, two feet, right?&#13;
MG: Yeah.&#13;
KE: Oh yeah, for about one and a half feet we have to take it off and transplant to the ground,&#13;
to the paddy ground. We have to plow – you know the plows?&#13;
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KE: With a cow – but right now they did lots with a machine. We plow the field – before,&#13;
when I was young, we don’t have any machine: we have the cow or buffalo with a (how&#13;
is it called – I don’t know how it’s called it) – we plowed the field to make the ground&#13;
soft, we can plant the paddy plants in the field. And then for about two or three months (I&#13;
think) it’s going to make a kind of flower and for about five months we can harvest. And&#13;
then we can carry in our house or in paddy place.&#13;
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MG: What was the political climate towards refugees in the camp?&#13;
KE: Political climate?&#13;
MG: Um-hmm.&#13;
KE: I’m not sure regarding the political – I don’t have any idea of things regarding the&#13;
political climate; I don’t know anything about it.&#13;
MG: Did you feel safe in the camp?&#13;
KE: It is more safer than in Burma.&#13;
MG: Um-hmm.&#13;
KE: It’s not like America; America more safer, better than the camp; a lot better than in the&#13;
camp. But in the camps, better than in Burma (in Karen state) – it’s really bad, and the&#13;
camps a little better. In America is a lot better.&#13;
MG: How did you learn about the U.S. refugee program?&#13;
KE: When I live in the camp, because we have (how does it call?) – we have a Karen leader&#13;
(refugees leader) over there: they told us in 2006 or [200]7, around that. They have a ten&#13;
country who were receive the refugee [??] to their country: kind of like Norway,&#13;
Australia, Canada, Denmark, Poland, something like that, and the U.S. They have ten&#13;
country – you can choose which country you want to go. Some of my friend (when I live&#13;
there, we go to school the same: the same school, the same class) I have a lot of friend&#13;
there – right now we are spread around the world. Some friend are interest in Norway,&#13;
some other friend they go to Australia; but I choose the my choice: U.S. That’s why I&#13;
come to here; that’s why I came here.&#13;
MG: What made you choose the U.S.?&#13;
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KE: I like because U.S. speak English. If I go to Norway, I have to learn another language&#13;
again, and English again – that’s why I have to learn many language; that’s what I&#13;
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thought. And if I come to U.S., I have to learn just only one language: English; and then&#13;
the U.S., that was my idea was better than the other country: the education, for&#13;
everything. But I never been the other country, but I just learn it in a newspaper or in a&#13;
magazine; I just read about it.&#13;
MG: Okay. How did you apply for the program?&#13;
KE: Because we have to go to – because they have a (how does it call it?) the place to enroll,&#13;
to enroll who want to go which country, you can come here or our refugee leader – they&#13;
open like the United Nation or the UNHCR – the leader, they go to the refugee camps,&#13;
they announce every refugee people who want to go to this country, this country. They&#13;
have a opportunity lie there, they have a chance lie there, they have a different, like (how&#13;
does it call it?) different chance, different opportunity, different rights. Each country is&#13;
not the same; they let us know about this.&#13;
And then I want to come to U.S., that’s why I enrolled – I put my name I will go to U.S.,&#13;
that’s why they take my names and my U.N. number or evidence. For about three or five&#13;
months they put on a boat – we have to go and check our name are there; if my name is&#13;
there I have to go, if I don’t have my name there, “What happened?” Or, “What have&#13;
problem? I didn’t see my name there?” You can go to the refugee camp leader office, you&#13;
can ask your name or what the problem – they reject, or what the reason they reject&#13;
(something like that)? You can ask.&#13;
MG: Who helped you apply?&#13;
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KE: Because our leader over there – our leader in the camp, they help us.&#13;
MG: Okay. When did you and where did you first arrive when you came to the U.S.?&#13;
KE: Salt Lake City, Utah (2007), I think it was August 8th (around that). To this day I never&#13;
moved to other state; since I arrive here I just stay here.&#13;
MG: What were the first months like?&#13;
KE: It was really shock for me; it was different, very different from my country. But I’m&#13;
happy, the other ways I’m happy also because I have seen the different thing: different&#13;
culture, different food – everything is different from my country.&#13;
MG: What was the biggest shock?&#13;
KE: The biggest shock was when snow time – when the snow was coming [laughs]; it was&#13;
really, really shock for me.&#13;
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KE: Because when I live there since whole my life over there, I never seen snow. I just see in&#13;
a video or movie like that, but I didn’t know how does it look like – that’s why it was&#13;
very shock for the snow.&#13;
MG: Have you tried skiing?&#13;
KE: No [laughs], never.&#13;
MG: Okay. Did you receive any help from U.S. or religious organizations?&#13;
KE: Here?&#13;
MG: Yes.&#13;
KE: Yes, what about can I say for the food stamp, Medicaid (something like that) from the&#13;
U.S. government; it was really good for me. Yes.&#13;
MG: Okay. Do you have any suggestions for improvements for those programs?&#13;
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KE: Which program?&#13;
MG: The food stamp, or Medicaid – do you see anything that could be changed with that? Or&#13;
do you think it worked okay?&#13;
KE: It work okay; yeah, it’s okay for me but I’m not sure of other people. I think for me it is&#13;
okay.&#13;
MG: Let’s see – and how long have you lived here, in Cache Valley?&#13;
KE: Since 2008 until now.&#13;
MG: What do you do here?&#13;
KE: I just work at JBS Swift Company beef plant here.&#13;
MG: What’s it like for you and your family to live here, in Hyrum (or Cache Valley)?&#13;
KE: I like here because it is better than Salt Lake (for me), for my personality I think – it is&#13;
more safety here. And then there is no crowded car, there is not a lot of the car – it is&#13;
really easy to go to the downtown Logan, we can visit easily. I like – it is the same is&#13;
similar like my country here, like with a cow and a lot of horse and the buffalo (or&#13;
something like that) in the field – like my country with the paddy field. That’s why I like&#13;
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it, and the mountains and the stream with the lake; that’s what I’m growing in my&#13;
country, it’s similar here so I like it here.&#13;
MG: Okay. Do you feel included in the Logan community?&#13;
KE: Included?&#13;
MG: Um-hmm?&#13;
KE: I’m not clear how to say “included?”&#13;
MG: Do you feel like you’re a part of the community, or do you feel a little disconnected from&#13;
everyone else?&#13;
KE: Oh no, is yeah, included in that community, yeah; I feel it’s good, really good. It’s a&#13;
family with the people here in Cache County, many people. And a lot of people (when I&#13;
first arrived here) they help me a lot to go to store, to go to the shopping mall (something&#13;
like that). And from here they have a – at first when I met her, Katie (do you know&#13;
Katie?) – English language singer – they teach the English language for the refugees is&#13;
really good here. Yeah, they help me a lot.&#13;
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MG: Do you think that there is anything else that the community can do to help refugees?&#13;
KE: Oh I think they still help the refugees until now, but do you know Nelda – I’m not sure&#13;
what’s the organization she had up there – but Nelda, she help refugees a lot to apply&#13;
food stamp, to apply to Medicaid, to read the letter from the school, read the letter from&#13;
the DWS for the refugees. Because most refugee, they don’t know how to read and write&#13;
in the letter, they have a problem: Nelda help them a lot. Yeah, it’s good.&#13;
MG: Tell me a little bit about how your home looked like in your home country, and the&#13;
difference with your home now.&#13;
KE: Oh yes, it’s a lot different because in my country – my house in my country, we just built&#13;
with the wood, the roof with the leaf (you know the leaf, the tree leaf, the big leaf) – we&#13;
just made the roof of our house. We don’t have any like the wall close every side like&#13;
this; we have to like – we can open the wind come through, come and go through our&#13;
house. And it was a lot of different because we live style different, completely different&#13;
from here because here is we have snow, we have to turn on the heat; in the summer time&#13;
we have to turn on the air condition – but over there no, we don’t have nothing: no&#13;
electricity, nothing, no internet, no phone, no TV.&#13;
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KE: Because we used to grow up there, it’s not really hot for us – it’s not really hot for me&#13;
because we used to grow up there. If the people from the other country go there it is very,&#13;
very difficult, very hard for them I think to live there; everything is different.&#13;
MG: What would you like people in Logan to know about you and your family?&#13;
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KE: I don’t know how to call it – to make the people in Logan to know my family?&#13;
MG: Yeah, is there anything you would like to let them know about your family and you, or&#13;
your ethnic group?&#13;
KE: [Laughs] I don’t know because I don’t know how to answer it.&#13;
MG: Would you like to go back to your country?&#13;
KE: Yes, maybe one day; I have my dream. I still waiting the politic to change over there, the&#13;
government change. If they change from communist to democracy, maybe one day I&#13;
would go back there.&#13;
MG: To live or just to visit?&#13;
KE: To live [laughs].&#13;
MG: What are you most proud of?&#13;
KE: Here or there?&#13;
MG: Here, or there – yeah?&#13;
KE: Proud of – I don’t know what I’m proud? I’m proud that I am Karen ethnic group (Karen&#13;
people), that I came here, I have learned English and the other language (even I can speak&#13;
some Spanish right now because in our company they speak only Spanish); that is why I&#13;
am very happy I learn their other language and I can speak four language right now –&#13;
that’s why I’m proud of myself.&#13;
MG: Okay. What are your dreams for the future – for yourself or your children?&#13;
KE: Okay, so in the future my dreams are maybe one day (that I told you) I would like to go&#13;
back to my country (if the country change everything). I would like to help the people&#13;
who need help (like orphan children) – do you know what I am saying “orphan” – that is&#13;
the people they don’t have parents.&#13;
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KE: I would like to help them if I have money, if I have my business or my own jobs; if I have&#13;
incomes, a lot of income, maybe one day I would go back and help them for the&#13;
education for the health to get the hospital or the clinic for them, or the school for them.&#13;
Because it is really hard – there are many people over there in our Karen state (our Karen&#13;
people) they don’t have receive any education, any health; it’s really hard over there.&#13;
Because in our place there are many malarias disease – do you know that malaria? Yeah.&#13;
There are many people die every years over there because we don’t have not enough the&#13;
medicine, we don’t have equipment to check the disease, to check up everything for the&#13;
health – that’s why they have to give their lives a lot every years over there.&#13;
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MG: Would you like to own your own business some day?&#13;
KE: I think, yeah; I think so [laughs], yes.&#13;
MG: What kind of business.&#13;
KE: Just for my dream, yeah; because I don’t have any – I don’t have my graduate like a high&#13;
education – I cannot do the business, like the big business. I just that I can do just only&#13;
the agriculture and poultry – do you know poultry?&#13;
MG: Chickens.&#13;
KE: Chicken – oh, yeah poultry like the chicken, or what about the pig farm to grow the&#13;
chicken, pig, goat, cow or something like that, right? With the agriculture – plant the&#13;
food, the vegetable, the fruit in our place; that’s why I like to work with like that.&#13;
MG: Have you ever thought about going back to school?&#13;
KE: Yes, because I don’t have a opportunity, I don’t have a chance right now because I&#13;
borrow my house here, I have to go to work. If I go to school, who is going to pay for my&#13;
payments here, right? It’s really hard to live here. I would like to go to school to get a&#13;
degree or something like that, but it’s really hard for me here. It’s a balance make it&#13;
which way I can do, that’s why I choose the – I have to work to live here.&#13;
MG: Okay. You said you’re Buddhist – has your religious practices changed at all since you&#13;
came to the U.S.?&#13;
KE: Changed, like what?&#13;
MG: Is there any like changes you’ve had to make practice wise? Is it hard to be that here, in&#13;
Cache Valley?&#13;
KE: No, that’s not hard for me, but it depends on the people. Some of the people, if they like&#13;
religious, if they don’t have their temple or monastery (we call it monastery in the&#13;
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Buddhist), in the Christian they call it the church – it is really hard for them to live&#13;
because they love their religion, right? It is for me: I love my religion also, because it is&#13;
always in my mind. And Buddhists, they just teach the people if you are the human, you&#13;
are the human: if you do the good thing, you will get the good thing; if you do the bad&#13;
thing, you will get the bad thing. In America I like, I really like – that’s why I’m [??]: if&#13;
you broke the law, you have to go to jail, right? Your mother, your father, your brother&#13;
cannot help you; nobody can help you – even the God cannot help you. That’s why my&#13;
religion said if you do the bad thing, you will receive the bad; if you do the good thing,&#13;
you will receive the good. That’s why I live here, it is easy for me – it’s not really hard.&#13;
I can communicate with every people, every religion. That is why we are the human&#13;
being. We have to love each other. We need to help each other. If we see the people who&#13;
[??], we have to help that people: even the black, yellow, white, or whatever. We don’t&#13;
have any discrimination – it’s not good; we need to help each other. That’s why I’m here,&#13;
I like America.&#13;
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MG: Is there a monastery here, in Cache Valley?&#13;
KE: No, in Salt Lake City: Thai monastery is over there.&#13;
MG: Do you get to go down there?&#13;
KE: I’ve never been there. I live here almost eight year, I never been there. Just only in my&#13;
mind – if I think the good thing, if I do the good thing, if I speak the good thing, I am the&#13;
good people. If I do the bad thing (like to do whatever the people don’t like) – even I go&#13;
to the monastery or the church, right – every week you go to the church, you go to the&#13;
monastery – if your mind is no good, you are not good people. You go to the church, you&#13;
pray, you go the other where you do the bad thing – that is not fair. I live in my house, I&#13;
just pray in my house for my family, for the people around all the world. That’s why I&#13;
believe. I never been to the monastery; never.&#13;
MG: Would you like to go there some time?&#13;
KE: Some time, yes – because we are different language; we don’t know how do they speak,&#13;
how do they pray, right? [Laughs] If they pray, we don’t want to stand like something is&#13;
not fair for me, it is not good for me. But for the religion, they pray every religion they&#13;
pray for the good people for around the world: they ask them to do the good thing, right?&#13;
But if I go to Thai monastery, the monks (the Thai monks) – they pray in a Thai&#13;
language; if I don’t understand, how can I feel the good thing, right? It’s really good here,&#13;
but that’s what I’m saying; I don’t understand they pray, because it in Thai language. I&#13;
know they are Buddhist, I am Buddhist – I respect them, I like them, but I never been&#13;
there. I don’t understand how they pray in their language; it’s different with my language.&#13;
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have any?&#13;
KE: Sure, sure.&#13;
MG: You look like you have a question.&#13;
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WV: I’m just trying to think. I guess what I would ask is, you know, based on just your&#13;
experience and what you’ve been through (both in Burma and Thailand and here), is&#13;
there anything that you wish you could help other people outside of your community&#13;
understand? Does that make sense? Is there something that you would like if you could,&#13;
you know, tell other strangers like us (who maybe don’t know), is there anything that you&#13;
would like us to understand?&#13;
KE: To help the Karen people?&#13;
WV: Either way: here or over there?&#13;
KE: Oh okay, yes; I have a lot of things to let you know. I am very happy today to visit with&#13;
you, because you are from the university (US University), maybe you have a lot of&#13;
experience, you have a lot of education (high education) – I think you can help my people&#13;
a lot (more than me). Because maybe one day that I am talking about for awhile when I&#13;
go back there I would like to connect with you. And maybe one day if you go to&#13;
Thailand, go to visit or go do whatever, or go to work over there I just want to connect&#13;
with you and to help our people over there to build a school, to build a clinic: just only&#13;
two things that I’m really need.&#13;
And when I live here, in Cache County (Cache Valley), I just want to let you know&#13;
because our refugee from Burma (our Karen refugees here), we are almost 200 people&#13;
(before there were over 200, but right now they moved the other state some). And we&#13;
have a lot of children here that go to school; sometime they have a difficulty life here:&#13;
their mom and dad cannot speak any English because their mom or their dad go to work.&#13;
And that what I am saying sometime they have from the school, they have school&#13;
conference, parent conference (or whatever, something like that), or the other things is&#13;
really hard for them sometime.&#13;
That’s why from the university can help them some way (like to read the letter, if they&#13;
have time to apply for Medicaid, to apply for food stamp), because they have a better&#13;
chance. In U.S. I know we have equality rights – every people, we have equality right –&#13;
because our refugee don’t know anything (mostly) they don’t know anything about it,&#13;
how to apply that: where we have to go to apply for this; that’s why they need to know. I&#13;
say, “If you have some day you want to go to do this, you can go this building or that&#13;
department,” or if you can like a direction for them it will be better. For example, if you&#13;
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if you need driver license you can go apply this department, this place – something like&#13;
that. You can contact if you want to do whatever (how can I say?).&#13;
But we have a lot of opportunity here, for the people. If you want to go to school:&#13;
agriculture school or nursing school – mostly they don’t know anything about it, which&#13;
program better (which one is better). If you mostly here we have high school student,&#13;
they already graduate and they will continue their higher education (go to college) –&#13;
mostly they don’t how to apply for the scholarship, the grant or something to go for their&#13;
school. If you can have the children like that will be better for them.&#13;
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KE: Yes?&#13;
BH: So I know right now we’re downstairs, but upstairs I saw there’s a lot of stuff on a wall –&#13;
KE: Uh-huh?&#13;
BH: Of like a flag –&#13;
KE: Uh-huh?&#13;
BH: And I saw a picture that I think –&#13;
KE: Me.&#13;
BH: Is of you – is it of you in a uniform?&#13;
KE: The soldier uniform?&#13;
BH: The soldier?&#13;
KE: Oh no, that’s my uncle.&#13;
BH: That’s your uncle?&#13;
KE: Yes, that’s not me [laughs].&#13;
BH: So I guess I’m just curious about that photo?&#13;
KE: For what?&#13;
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KE: No, he’s in Burma.&#13;
BH: In Burma?&#13;
KE: Yes. He is not here. I just respect him, because right now he is a soldier.&#13;
BH: Um-hmm?&#13;
KE: Karen soldier – fight for democracy, fight for our Karen to have a equality rights. He&#13;
fight for everybody to have equality chance, equality rights, to have like a democracy, to&#13;
get democracy in Burma. He doesn’t want to come here; he told me that he will die there&#13;
– he will fight for freedom, for the equality rights. That’s why I brang his picture here&#13;
and just put it and remember him. I miss him. He’s a really good because he suggests me&#13;
always whenever I call him, he suggests me, “When you go there you have to do the&#13;
good thing, you have to love your friend, you have to help your friend. If you have some&#13;
that are like education, or if you have experience better than your friend, you need to help&#13;
your friend who need help.” That’s about him.&#13;
BH: Thank you.&#13;
KE: You are welcome. Anything else?&#13;
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KE: No, [laughs] I have no idea. If you have a question, I can answer you; if you have a&#13;
question.&#13;
MG: I think we’re good; thank you.&#13;
KE: You are welcome.&#13;
MG: For meeting with us.&#13;
KE: Yes.&#13;
WV: Thank you.&#13;
BH: Thank you.&#13;
KE: I’m also a pleasure, I’m very happy to be able to converse with you.&#13;
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CACHE VALLEY REFUGEE ORAL HISTORY PROJECT&#13;
TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET&#13;
Interviewee(s): Kahsaoy Berhe Gebremedhin&#13;
Present: Magen Olsen, Kahsaoy Berhe Gebremedhin, Berhane, Hilary Warner-&#13;
Evans, Heidi Williams&#13;
Place of Interview:&#13;
Date of Interview: May 23, 2015&#13;
Language(s): Tigrinya&#13;
Translation:&#13;
Interviewer: Magen Olsen&#13;
Interpreter: Berhane&#13;
Recordist: Heidi Williams&#13;
Photographer: Hilary Warner-Evans&#13;
Recording Equipment: Tascam DR-100mk11 linear PCM recorder; Senal ENG-18RL&#13;
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Transcription Equipment: Express Scribe with PowerPlayer foot pedal.&#13;
Transcribed by: Susan Gross, May 26, 2015&#13;
Transcript Proofed by:&#13;
Brief Description of Contents: Mr. Kahsaoy Berhe Gebremedhin talks about his life in Eritrea,&#13;
his family, and escaping to Ethiopia as a refugee. He talks about his time spent at Shimelba&#13;
refugee camp in Ethiopia, and the process he followed to come to the United States as a refugee.&#13;
He discusses life in America, his current job and his dream to have a farm.&#13;
Reference: MO = Magen Olsen&#13;
MOI = Magen Olsen’s words interpreted by translator&#13;
KG = Kahsaoy Berhe Gebremedhin&#13;
KGI = Kahsaoy Berhe Gebremedhin’s words interpreted by translator&#13;
NOTE: [You will have to modify this as appropriate—whether using CommGap or in-person&#13;
interpreter.] The interview was conducted with CommGap Interpretive Services; the interpreter&#13;
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TAPE TRANSCRIPTION&#13;
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MO: Alright; we are here, it is – of course we are here – it is Saturday [laughing], ten o’clock&#13;
in the morning, May 23rd, 2015. It’s raining today for about the 100th day –&#13;
??: In a row.&#13;
MO: [Laughing] It seems like it’s been rainy every, single day. We are here with Kahsaoy,&#13;
right?&#13;
KG: Yes.&#13;
MO: Who is a refugee from Eritrea; translating for him is Berhane. We have Hilary Warner-&#13;
Evans on the photography end of things, and Heidi Williams is recording and taking&#13;
some notes. And we’re going to go ahead and start.&#13;
So how are you doing today?&#13;
KG: Good.&#13;
MO: Good, good. Thanks for meeting with us, and for being willing to talk with us and share&#13;
some things about your experiences as a refugee, living in the United States.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: Thank you.&#13;
MO: So we’ll start with the first question is what is your full name and birth year?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: His name is Kahsaoy Berhe Gebremedhin; he was born in 1971.&#13;
MO: Okay. What languages do you speak?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: Tigrinya.&#13;
MO: That’s it?&#13;
KGI: He speaks Tigrinya.&#13;
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KG: Yes.&#13;
MO: Perfect. And tell me about your family?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Okay. [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I have three children here, in America, and I got five more back in Eritrea. I have one&#13;
brother here, in America, and I have six siblings back home.&#13;
MO: So do they – your family members – they all live here (who are in America)?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, yeah.&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, three of them they are here (the youngest ones) –&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: But he got five more in Africa, two of them are in the Ethiopia refugee camp – the rest&#13;
three are in Eritrea.&#13;
[03:28]&#13;
MO: So that’s got to be hard, being all over?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, it’s still hard because people are everywhere; even it’s hard for me – some of them,&#13;
they are in the refugee camp, there is nothing over there – I have to send them money to&#13;
support family there. It’s kind of hard.&#13;
MO: What religion are you?&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He is Eritrean Orthodox Church.&#13;
MO: Okay, good. Can you tell me a bit about Eritrea, where you’re from?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Eritrea is a good place to live, but there is some problem – [speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah; he says it’s harder to [??] stuff it has to do with farming, and we don’t have a lot&#13;
and we don’t know anything about the life in the cities. So generally, the economy [??]&#13;
MO: Did you grow up on a farm then?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, they are all from –&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Farmer.&#13;
MO: What did you grow – animals, grain?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[06:20]&#13;
KGI: We raise grains – we don’t have any technology, we plow the field by oxes; and when it&#13;
comes to harvesting season, we harvest it manually and with the help of animals. And we&#13;
also have animal harvest[??].&#13;
MO: Okay. So did you live in the – Berhane has talked about highlands and lowlands – did&#13;
you live in the highlands or the lowlands?&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He was living in the lowlands.&#13;
MO: Cool. How long did you live there? So how long have you been in the U.S., I guess?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He has been in American almost a year and eight months.&#13;
MO: Good.&#13;
KG: 2013.&#13;
KGI: He came here on 2013.&#13;
MO: Cool. Why did you leave Eritrea?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I was in the National Service [??] army, and I have a lot of children – nobody supporting&#13;
them behind me, and he is not getting anything. Finally he get frustrated and left Eritrea&#13;
with the refugee camp in Ethiopia.&#13;
MO: And when did you do that?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: Refugee – 2007.&#13;
KGI: 2007.&#13;
KG: Yeah.&#13;
MO: So six years in Ethiopia?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: Yeah, six years and some couple of months.&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, he went there on July 15, 2007 – [speaking in Tigrinya to the interviewee]&#13;
[09:20]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.] 2013 –&#13;
KGI: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
And he came here on September 2013.&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: On the 18th of September, 2013. So, do your calc –&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: I will once –&#13;
KGI: It’s easier to do once –&#13;
MO: Yeah, if you’re already there –&#13;
[Laughing]&#13;
So you’re in science, and we’re all in [laughs] folklore.&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, six years two months and three days.&#13;
MO: Perfect.&#13;
KGI: [??]&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: Two months, three days.&#13;
So what was the experience like in leaving?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, I don’t have any problem because I was born there, I know the whole land and we&#13;
got farms in between. There was army soldiers in the trench, but sometimes they just&#13;
don’t care because we go back and forth for our animals and farms; and he went to his&#13;
brother and didn’t get any problem – he just crossed.&#13;
MO: It’s hard for other people then, right (usually)?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: For me it was easy because I was raised in the rural areas, and we got animals so we cross&#13;
all over the place (because our animals for food and water to the animals). But for some&#13;
people who came from the capital or from the highlands – they didn’t know the area,&#13;
even we are raised differently (maybe they cannot hike a lot). Sometimes they don’t&#13;
know the land, they just go directly to the army, they get captured, and god knows what&#13;
they do with them. But for me it was easy; but for some people it’s a lot harder.&#13;
MO: That makes sense. So you relocated first to Ethiopia, right?&#13;
[12:37]&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, from Eritrea he relocated to the Shimelba refugee camps in Ethiopia – the camp&#13;
name is Shimelba. Do you want to spell?&#13;
MO: Yeah.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
KGI: S-H-I-M-L-B-A. Shimelba. So he relocated from Eritrea to the refugee camp in Ethiopia.&#13;
MO: And then did you go to any other refugee camps?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: From that refugee camp he directly came to the United States.&#13;
MO: Okay. What was your experience like in that camp?&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: It was kind of okay for me because I was raised in rural area, and that place was a rural&#13;
area. And since I was raised working with my family, in that refugee camp I was allowed&#13;
to work; I was working, earning money. So for me it was not [??]; it was kind of okay.&#13;
MO: But it would be hard for people from the capital, maybe?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: For some people it was hard because we were getting only 15 kilos of weight (around 30&#13;
pounds), and I was raised in a rural area around that area, so it was okay for me – I can go&#13;
and work, communicate with the people because they got the same behavior[??]. But the&#13;
refugee in the [??], they tend not to leave the camp – if you leave the camp it’s all your&#13;
responsibility if something happens, so some people they get scared; but for me, it’s okay&#13;
just leave and work – clear my mind and then come back. So some people they don’t&#13;
want to leave the camp, some people they don’t know how to work in the farm. So you&#13;
can’t [??] with the 15 kilos of weight; if you are lucky, if you have families in the U.S. or&#13;
England, they ask for money or for help. But there were a lot of people struggling in that&#13;
camp.&#13;
MO: Did they have small houses for you, or how was the living situation?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah most of the times they don’t give us houses; for his case he get a plot of land – most&#13;
of the time they give them a plot of land, you have to make your own house. Even for&#13;
him they didn’t give him a plot of land, there was some of his friends (they have their&#13;
own plot of land, they give it to him – he build his own house. He don’t know if they&#13;
made houses for the first arrival refugees (because the refugee camp starts a couple of&#13;
years before he arrived). He hears they help some women if they got problems, maybe&#13;
children or other stuff; but if you are a man, they don’t give you anything – they just give&#13;
you a plot of land: you have to make your own house.&#13;
MO: So did you arrive by yourself and then some of your family came after?&#13;
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KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I cross the border with my brother – he has three children here – he met a woman over&#13;
there, he get married with her in the refugee camp, and then she came here.&#13;
MO: Okay.&#13;
KGI: Only he made his house –&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: And now they are not even married, they are friends.&#13;
MO: Okay. Is she still there, or is she here?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: She is here.&#13;
MO: Okay, good. Were you assigned a job, or did you kind of find one on your own?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: In my case I was going out to the farmers near the camp, and ask the job from them –&#13;
they can give you farm work, or construction – not big construction, but he just make&#13;
some building walls and things like that – I do whatever I find. But there are some people&#13;
they are educated [??] they work with [??] the camp, or something with the refugee&#13;
administration. But for him, he was going to farmers and ask for a job.&#13;
MO: Okay. How did you celebrate holidays in your camp?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: Because it’s the same culture, so we have everything what we can have in Eritrea; with&#13;
whatever we got we make injera, we make soya (soya is a local drink in Eritrea), and we&#13;
kill a goat, and we celebrate.&#13;
MO: Is it easier – it’s probably easier, I shouldn’t even be asking this – it’s probably easier to&#13;
celebrate in the camp, then (your holidays), rather than in the U.S., right?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah he said in American you can find anything at the shopping centers, but some people&#13;
– they have money, they can afford it; but there are lot of them who cannot afford it. So it&#13;
is easier here in American than in the camp.&#13;
MO: Okay. Because you can’t go to Wal-Mart and buy a goat or a sheep [laughs].&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah you can buy meat over there.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: That’s true. Well but we have farms, too, that you can go to and buy animals, right?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: Yeah [responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah there is an old man and a woman somewhere in this 600 South, they sell sheeps,&#13;
chickens – I always go there and buy goats. [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: And they got a place, and he kills a goat and takes the meat and sells it fresh over there.&#13;
MO: Good. They’re not worried about that or anything?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: They got a place for killing the sheep –&#13;
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KGI: Even they show up, “Hey, you want to kill it – go kill it over there,” (to kill fresh stuff).&#13;
MO: Nice! That’s a good deal.&#13;
KG: Um-hmm [speaking in Tigrinya].&#13;
KGI: And they know us – when they see us they say, “Ah, it’s the guys who kill the goats.”&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I know they don’t like us to kill the sheeps because they show us the place and they run&#13;
away to their apartment.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
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MO: Yeah, I think it’s alarming for Americans to think that they would have to kill their own&#13;
animals; we just like to pretend that we’re not eating animals, I think.&#13;
KGI: Yeah. [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I understand that.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: I feel like the weird one, because it makes sense to take care of your own food like that.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: So he said for us it’s very [??]: we want to take care of our own food, we feel comfortable&#13;
when we kill our sheep or goat. Sometimes it’s kind of hard to go to the shop and buy a&#13;
meat because you don’t know who killed the sheep. We are kind of strict in our religion&#13;
orthodox: you have to kill it yourself, you have to say, “By the name of God, Son, and the&#13;
Holy Spirit;” and we feel comfortable. Most of the time we eat only sheep or goat, so if&#13;
it’s other animal, hmm, we don’t feel comfortable (because we don’t eat pork).&#13;
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MO: That’s typically a Muslim –&#13;
KGI: If it’s Muslim they don’t eat it before we kill it.&#13;
MO: Oh, okay. But I mean that’s Old Law, right?&#13;
KGI: Yeah, it come from the Jews.&#13;
MO: Right.&#13;
KGI: Then the Muslim and the Christian, they are branches.&#13;
MO: Because I know with like Catholics and Protestants – they don’t have any problem eating&#13;
pork.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: Yeah, Islam – they have their own way; they are different from us. But if I go to Wal-&#13;
Mart and buy meat, I don’t know whether it’s a sheep’s meat, or it’s a donkey’s meat: it’s&#13;
just a meat, we don’t know. But according the way we are raised, and according to our&#13;
religion – if I kill it, I know it’s a sheep or a goat. So we feel comfortable if we kill our&#13;
sheep and goat (or other animals), and we know what we are killing, and we blessed it by&#13;
saying, “In the name of God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.” So we feel comfortable if we&#13;
kill our own animals, rather than going to Wal-Mart and buying meat we don’t know.&#13;
MO: Do you feel safe in the camp?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: For me, I was not scared for my safety; I always go out of the camp, work in the field,&#13;
even sometime there are nights I spend my nights in the field. I am not a city boy – I was&#13;
raised in farm and all our thing is doing the fields and spending the nights with the&#13;
animals. So I didn’t have any problem, and I wasn’t scared because I don’t have any&#13;
crime, I don’t have [??]. But there might be some people, even I remember one person&#13;
who died in the fields – nobody knows who killed him; still nobody knows what&#13;
happened to that guy.&#13;
MO: Hmm. Did you feel welcomed by the Ethiopians? Because I know that you’re very&#13;
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KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: As long as I was over there I don’t have any problem. Even I don’t have any problem,&#13;
they always tell us not to leave the camp; if you leave the camp you are responsible for&#13;
what happen to you – and they are right, they cannot protect you out of the camp. But&#13;
with the people who are just going together, going along – we don’t have any problem.&#13;
But I heard when I come here there was some fight in the camp.&#13;
MO: Hmm. How did you learn about the U.S. refugee program?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: When I was crossing the border from Eritrea to Ethiopia, I didn’t have any idea about the&#13;
U.S. refugee program, I just knew I wanted when I went to the refugee camp.&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, when we crossed (me and my brother), we don’t know what was the refugee&#13;
program over there (even we didn’t know there was a camp). So when they crossed the&#13;
border, the people who give them – after they crossed Ethiopia they were talking to [??]&#13;
Amharic[?], but he don’t know Amharic[?], his brother knows a little bit of Hamari –&#13;
they were telling them, “You guys are going to Shimelba refugee camp, there are other&#13;
Eritreans over there. You guys will go to America.” And [??] says what is Amharic&#13;
talking about; but when they took them the refugee camp there were lots of Eritreans, and&#13;
they knew the refugee program to the United States from the other Eritreans who were in&#13;
the camp before them.&#13;
MO: Did they help you apply – because it sounds like they told you, you were going to go?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: Okay. When he crossed first the border the Ethiopian army, when they caught you they&#13;
took you to some place (they call it [??]), then they register, “Who are you guys? Where&#13;
do you come from?” Things like that. Then after they confirm they are from Eritrea and&#13;
things like that, they send them to Shimelba refugee camp. Then the Shimelba [??] the&#13;
refugee camp, they transfer all your paperwork with them, because these people in [??],&#13;
they ask them a lot of questions in their own office, they register them. So they send their&#13;
resume and their session papers refugee camp in Shimelba. In the Shimelba camp there&#13;
are a lot of organizations they put them. There is Ara[??], these Ara are the people who&#13;
gives them food – that means who gives them the food and other things. And there is a&#13;
UNCR – they process the papers for a refugee to United States.&#13;
[Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, this UNCR – they process their guys to U.S., Australia and Canada. But there is&#13;
not a lot of obligations things to do if you are in the country on the border, they put in&#13;
paperwork, the Ethiopian army or police [??] – they transfer all their papers Shimelba&#13;
refugee camp; after that you just wait for interview.&#13;
MO: So the process took six years? When did you interview?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: Yeah, he is not sure about the months, but the interview was around 2010.&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
He said I don’t remember the exact month, but I have my own record so maybe it’s in my&#13;
cards.&#13;
MO: It will be important for your kids and grandkids one day.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: Yeah.&#13;
MO: Tell me about coming to the U.S. – what was it like?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: Yeah, he said when they come here they got a problem transit in Germany –&#13;
[Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Transit in Frankfurt – so when they leave the airplane the IOM people (they are the&#13;
people who help with them with the airplane tickets, because they have to pay it back) –&#13;
one of the IOM came he took other people, but for us he told us, “Just number 57.” And&#13;
he said I don’t know anything about airports, even I don’t know anything about city life&#13;
so I don’t know where to find number 57. But finally I just found it, but when I go over&#13;
there I don’t know who to ask and I don’t know what to do. And we were struggling and&#13;
stressed out in that airport; finally I saw an Ethiopian guy (he speaks some Amharic), and&#13;
I talk to him. Then he went inside and he check with the airplane reservation things, and&#13;
he told him to wait for some time. And we don’t have any money or we don’t have any&#13;
dollar with us; and my daughter was crying because she was so hungry and she was&#13;
crying so loud. The trip was okay, but we have a problem in Germany and nobody can&#13;
help us.&#13;
MO: Did you come to Salt Lake – were you assigned to Salt Lake?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: We were in Maryland.&#13;
MO: And then from Maryland to Salt Lake?&#13;
KG: We were assigned in Maryland.&#13;
MO: So you haven’t transferred, or you’re still technically assigned?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: They were assigned in Maryland, then they moved to Utah.&#13;
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MO: That’s a big difference.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: Yeah.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: You’re probably more comfortable here because we have so much farming, and&#13;
Maryland doesn’t have anything?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He said I like this place.&#13;
MO: Yeah, I think I like it a lot more too.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I like agriculture, so I was happy when I moved to this place.&#13;
MO: Good. How long were you in Maryland?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I was in Maryland for eight months and some days.&#13;
MO: What did you do for work?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He was working in Lancaster Food Company – they were packing vegetables.&#13;
MO: Okay. And did you come to Utah because you heard about JBS?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: Okay. I heard about JBS, even I had that work that company he was working in&#13;
Lancaster, it’s all the way in Utah (he didn’t know exactly where), but it’s somewhere&#13;
around here. And besides that, they told me this is kind of rural area, not big metropolitan&#13;
city like Maryland. Since I was raised on a farm I try to be close to farm, so that’s why I&#13;
moved here.&#13;
MO: Okay. There was something I was going to ask – I have to remember it. Oh, I am curious&#13;
about what you thought living in Eritrea, what the expectation is of what Americans are&#13;
like, and how did that change?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: When I was in Eritrea, I didn’t know enough about America (I just know America is a&#13;
good place to live and a great country). When I come I was worried because as far as I&#13;
figured America in my brain it was just big metropolitan area – I didn’t even know&#13;
America has farmlands and rural areas. And when I come first, the first city I saw was big&#13;
so many buildings on it; I was worried, “What I’m going to do in this country? How I’m&#13;
going to live?” I don’t know any language, I don’t have education. But when I saw it’s&#13;
okay, I can survive and the [??] has everything. But my expectation and what I found is&#13;
so different; I was thinking about big buildings and metropolitan areas, but there are a lot&#13;
of rural and farm areas too.&#13;
MO: That’s good; it’s good that we have farms.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: He say we are processing a lot of [??] in our brain because we are told this is hard&#13;
country to live – even people will tell you that you can get lost inside America and&#13;
nobody is going to find you. Even when I was coming from Maryland to Utah some&#13;
people told me, “You’re going to get lost,” even I was scared I might get lost in between,&#13;
so nobody is going to find me. But everything is [??] I’m told about in America – even if&#13;
I get lost if I got some offices they come bring me a translator. So it’s a good country and&#13;
everything is arranged.&#13;
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MO: Good, because I think a lot of Americans want to get lost, but we don’t feel like we can&#13;
because our government keeps pretty good track of us.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: They don’t get lost.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: I’m not worried about you – if you can live on a farm, you deserve the right of being in&#13;
the U.S. I think.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Now I can figure it out, even I cannot get lost in big cities because there are ways he can&#13;
communicate with others.&#13;
MO: Absolutely. So when you moved from Maryland to Utah, did the government help you in&#13;
any way?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, when he moved he didn’t get any help. He just worked and he paid his travel&#13;
expense with the money we saved. But when he was moving he took the agency who&#13;
helped them, because he had so many medical papers (he got surgery on his) –&#13;
[Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He got surgery on his left eye, so they collected all his paperwork and other medical&#13;
records. And they gave all their paperwork to him, and he just moved with his own&#13;
money.&#13;
MO: Did you know anyone in Logan, or did you just sort of come in and find a place to live&#13;
and work?&#13;
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KGI: Yeah there were some people I know who live here; even my girlfriend – she first moved&#13;
here because she got her brothers here, and then I just followed her. If we don’t know&#13;
anyone we cannot move, because we cannot move in a place we don’t know anything.&#13;
MO: Um-hmm. So you have a lot of friends, and even relatives here – do you feel included by&#13;
the rest of the community?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: I don’t feel isolated from the community because they help us with anything we ask of&#13;
them, even sometimes when we come first I just have the address in my hand but I cannot&#13;
look at my apartment – I ask them, “Hey, do you know where this address is?” Some of&#13;
them they just show me, but there are some good people that just took me until I reached&#13;
the address I am looking for. So these people are loving people and they are good people.&#13;
MO: Is there anything that we could do to help you feel more at home?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I can’t ask for more because there is work opportunity, other stuff, but I prefer to have a&#13;
farmland to make my own farm – I don’t want to work in JBS forever because I have eye&#13;
problem sometimes it’s kind of hard for me to work the whole day. I have nowhere to&#13;
ask, but if possible I would like to have a farm and do my own farm.&#13;
MO: That’s the American Dream.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
MO: Every American wants to have a farm [laughing].&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: It’s a good dream; even I want to have a farm – that’s my field.&#13;
MO: Yeah, I think it makes you a good American [laughing] to have that dream.&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: So you have five kids still in Africa?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, they are in Africa.&#13;
MO: Are you going to try to bring them to the United States?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: Yeah, I would love to bring them here, but the problem is how can they leave Eritrea?&#13;
We cross the border, but they are too young to cross the border – they might have a lot of&#13;
problems, they need an adult to take them out. The older one and his younger brother,&#13;
they are already out in the refugee camp, but for the rest of them: they are too young to&#13;
cross the border. So he is trying to figure out how they can retrieve them, get Visas for&#13;
them.&#13;
MO: The three you have here, are they in school or are they too young?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: The younger one is younger (he was just born in United States) –&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: The older one, she goes to KG[??] here – I don’t know but he was telling me the school&#13;
somewhere around 300 North 300 West?&#13;
MO: Okay.&#13;
KGI: She goes there – the older one of the three; but the younger one is only two months old.&#13;
MO: So not even talking yet? [Laughs]&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: The youngest is too young – not talking, but the other one is older –&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He is an American before I am.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: Speaks English and everything?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, he talks English.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: Good. How are the experiences with your landlord? Are you in an apartment?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah.&#13;
[Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, he lives in an apartment and he doesn’t have any problem with his landlord.&#13;
MO: What would you like people in Logan to know about you and your community?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[End part 1 of 2 – 62:06]&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He said most of us in Logan we are here from villages in Eritrea: when we come, we&#13;
came from rural areas (there are some who came from the cities). So we don’t know a lot&#13;
of stuff because we are new and we are born in farm areas and sometimes we need help –&#13;
[Phone ringing]&#13;
We need help how to figure out how things work here, and sometimes I wish if the city&#13;
can give us some farmland in something that grows because we are good in farm. I prefer&#13;
to work in a farm with some of my community [??]. And we also need education – we’ve&#13;
got children and we need education for us and for our children.&#13;
MO: Um-hmm. Are the English classes helping then? Are you able to find any other – or what&#13;
kind of education do you need?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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[02:58]&#13;
KGI: There is English school – that’s good, but sometimes it’s kind of far for us (some of us&#13;
who don’t have cars), and sometimes we work in JBS this hard work all over and&#13;
spending day in JBS and going to school is kind of hard. So if possible if they do it on the&#13;
weekends it would be better, because we don’t have anything to do on the weekends – we&#13;
can go there and study.&#13;
MO: Okay; that would be a good idea.&#13;
KGI: Um-hmm.&#13;
MO: Would you ever go back home?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, I have a lot of family over there, but I would not go over there – I don’t think I can&#13;
go there. I love living here.&#13;
MO: Okay. What are you most proud of?&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I am proud I can work and even myself because it’s not good to ask help every time from&#13;
other people or other organizations. And I’m proud I am healthy, except I have problems&#13;
with my eye; but I can work, I am healthy. And I am proud I have children with me here&#13;
in the United States. And I am proud I am living here.&#13;
MO: To own a farm is the ultimate dream?&#13;
[05:07]&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yes, his dream is to own a farm. [Laughs]&#13;
MO: Okay, well if you have a farm in America, you have to get a cowboy hat.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: Okay.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: So that should be a dream too, to own a cowboy hat.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: Do you have any other dreams?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah I have a lot of dreams, but I will do it one by one; we will see in the future – for&#13;
example, I want to own my own house (I don’t want to live in apartments forever). It’s a&#13;
good idea to own house first.&#13;
MO: Um-hmm; good. Well those are all the questions I have. So do you have any questions for&#13;
us, or does anyone else have any questions?&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Do you guys have any questions? No?&#13;
??: Have you heard about the garden that Nelda has?&#13;
??I: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
??: The refugee garden?&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[07:40]&#13;
KGI: There were a couple of guys who talked to Nelda about farm –&#13;
??: Um-hmm?&#13;
KGI: And she send them to another lady named Jillian (he guess, or something like that). So&#13;
she got an appointment to meet somewhere and to discuss about it, but they didn’t make&#13;
it – they were mis-communicated about the appointment place or time. After that they&#13;
didn’t hear anything about that.&#13;
??: Well hopefully that can happen.&#13;
MO: That’s everything. I think we’re going to conclude this interview. We want to thank you&#13;
again for meeting with us and telling us a little bit about, I don’t know, your life.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[09:23]&#13;
KGI: Okay. I don’t know whether you guys can answer this question: but he was saying in this&#13;
country they tell us you cannot punish your child, and children – they make a lot of [??]&#13;
and a lot of [??] stuff and you cannot [??] them. If you do not [??] them, they go worse&#13;
and worse and worse. So if you don’t [??] them, how can you correct them? Back home&#13;
when children get mistakes or they do something bad, we punish them accordingly.&#13;
MO: Um-hmm?&#13;
KGI: So when we come here we don’t know anything and they told us we cannot punish our&#13;
children – they do lot of crazy stuff and nonsense stuff, and we just look at them because&#13;
we cannot punish them. So he wants to know, can we punish our children or not?&#13;
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MO: That is a great debate.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
If you ask my dad, you can discipline your kids – but make sure that they know that you&#13;
still love them.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: In Eritrea my children – Eritrea is a good country, but when my children make mistakes, I&#13;
punish them and they know why they are punished. Even if I punish them they love me&#13;
and they know I love them, because they are my children.&#13;
??: And I would suggest, because I know that my friend – because you could get in trouble&#13;
like if you – it is kind of crazy here. Like if they’re doing something naughty in the store,&#13;
she’ll take them out to her car, or she’ll take them when she gets home. So I think in your&#13;
home, then no one can say anything.&#13;
MO: You don’t want – it’s interesting; discipline in America is very different, it’s very&#13;
interesting because it is such a big debate.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statements in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[13:03]&#13;
KGI: Even back home we just don’t – kids, if we hit them we don’t hit them in front of other&#13;
people; we just tell them what they did mistakes and we punish accordingly (sometimes&#13;
we can take stuff they have, the stuff they play with or other things – it depends what&#13;
they got). But here is kind of hard.&#13;
MO: Well I think that’s how you should do it.&#13;
??: So you’re doing it right, if you do it.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statements in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He is saying if we don’t punish our children, what are you raising – some of them they&#13;
will not go to school, some of them will be thieves or other stuff. And the worst thing I&#13;
hate is prostitution – I don’t want my children to be that. Because if I don’t [??] them, if I&#13;
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don’t talk to them they are not going to know what is right and what’s wrong. So he say I&#13;
just want to know whether I can punish and discipline my children.&#13;
MO: I say yes.&#13;
KG: [Laughs] [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: Well we are going to at least stop the recording here, but just a final question: you are&#13;
okay if we use this and put it in the archives, and use it for educational purposes?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, I don’t have any problem; you can put it. This is what happened to my lives, it’s a&#13;
very important thing. And I don’t have anything to hide – I tell you what the real thing is.&#13;
It’s not political; the only thing I hate is politics. So I’m okay if you guys put it in the&#13;
archive.&#13;
MO: Okay. And online too?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: No problem.&#13;
MO: Okay; thank you.&#13;
KG: You’re welcome.&#13;
MO: Thank you, thank you.&#13;
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                <text>Ka Sin and his family live in a different apartment complex than our other interviewees. He works at JBS meat packing plant. His family includes his wife Ser Geda; daughter Kem Pu, 16 yrs; son Zat No 10 yrs; son Mo 20 yrs; and son Myo 14 yrs.</text>
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TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET&#13;
Interviewee(s): Ka Sin&#13;
Present: Deanna Allred, David Giles, Cami Dilg, Ka Sin, Har Be Bar, Kem Pu[?]&#13;
(Ka Sin’s daughter), Zat No (Ka Sin’s son), Mo (Ka Sin’s son), Ser Geda&#13;
(Ka Sin’s wife), Myo (Ka Sin’s son)&#13;
Place of Interview: Ka Sin’s home, Logan, Utah&#13;
Date of Interview: May 17, 2015&#13;
Language(s): Burmese&#13;
Translation:&#13;
Interviewer: Deanna Allred&#13;
Interpreter: Har Be Bar&#13;
Recordist: David Giles&#13;
Photographer: Cami Dilg&#13;
Recording Equipment: Tascam DR-100mk11 linear PCM recorder; Senal ENG-18RL&#13;
broadcast-quality omnidirectional dynamic microphone&#13;
Transcription Equipment: Express Scribe with PowerPlayer foot pedal.&#13;
Transcribed by: Susan Gross, May 20, 2015&#13;
Transcript Proofed by:&#13;
Brief Description of Contents: Ka Sin talks about his journey from Burma, to a Thailand&#13;
refugee camp, to Japan, then New York, then California, and finally Utah. He talks about&#13;
working and learning English in Salt Lake City, Utah, and then later moving to Logan, Utah. He&#13;
talks about his life during the war in Burma and in the refugee camp in Thailand. He discusses&#13;
his life in America, and the way his children are growing up here, versus the life they may have&#13;
had in Burma.&#13;
Reference: DA = Deanna Allred&#13;
DAI = Deanna Allred’s words interpreted by translator&#13;
KS = Ka Sin&#13;
KSI = Ka Sin’s words interpreted by translator&#13;
DG = David Giles&#13;
DGI = David Giles’ words interpreted by translator&#13;
KP = Kem Pu&#13;
ZN = Zat No&#13;
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DA: Yeah, will you introduce who is here with us? I’d love them to stay.&#13;
DAI: [Repeating question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: His daughter and then his youngest son.&#13;
DA: Youngest son?&#13;
KSI: Um-hmm.&#13;
DA: [Speaking to Ka Sin’s daughter] And what is your name?&#13;
KP: Kem Pu[?]&#13;
DA: Kem Pu? How old are you?&#13;
KP: I am 16.&#13;
DA: [Speaking to Ka Sin’s son] And what is your name?&#13;
ZN: Zat No.&#13;
KS: Zat No.&#13;
DA: Zat No – can you spell that?&#13;
ZN: Z-A-T N-O.&#13;
DA: N-O.&#13;
DG: Okay; exactly like it sounds, actually.&#13;
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DA: And how old are you?&#13;
ZN: Ten.&#13;
DA: You’re ten.&#13;
DG: [Speaking to Kem Pu] Okay; are you getting your driver’s license by chance?&#13;
KP: Yeah.&#13;
DA: Yeah?&#13;
DG: Cool.&#13;
DA: [Speaking to Kem Pu] What school do you go to?&#13;
KP: Logan High.&#13;
DA: Logan High? Good. My daughter went there for a little while.&#13;
[Speaking to Zat No] And what school do you go to?&#13;
ZN: Wilson.&#13;
DA: Wilson? Yes.&#13;
DG: Okay.&#13;
DA: Okay, good.&#13;
DG: Would it be okay if we closed the window?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
DA: It’s just the sound – for the sound.&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
DG: Okay.&#13;
DA: Sorry; will that make it uncomfortable?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Do you guys want him to open the fan?&#13;
DG: Let’s try it. Yeah, I don’t think it will be a problem, but let’s try it.&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
DA: Okay.&#13;
DG: Alright, so let’s begin the tag.&#13;
DA: Okay.&#13;
KS: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
DA: I’m going to look at Cami’s notes about this. I liked what you did there.&#13;
[Soft talking in the background between field school students.]&#13;
DG: Okay, so I think –&#13;
DA: Okay.&#13;
DG: These are the questions that you want.&#13;
DA: I’ve got the questions here.&#13;
Alright, my name is Deanna Allred.&#13;
KS: Yes.&#13;
DA: We are here at the home of Ka Sin, a Burmese Muslim refugee that we’re doing&#13;
interview for the “Voices 2015: Refugees in Cache Valley” (here, in Logan). I’m also&#13;
here with Har Be Bar (who is our translator), and David Giles (who is our recordist), and&#13;
Cami Dilg (who will be taking pictures). We are also here with Ka Sin’s daughter and&#13;
son – are you another son?&#13;
??: I’m his son, yeah.&#13;
DA: And what’s your name?&#13;
M: Mo.&#13;
DA: Mo?&#13;
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DAI: Mo.&#13;
DA: Okay; how old are you, Mo?&#13;
M: Twenty.&#13;
DA: Twenty? Okay.&#13;
So, and I saw your wife here too? Yeah, your wife was here. And what’s her name?&#13;
KS: Ser Geda.&#13;
DA: Ser Geda?&#13;
KS: S-E-R –&#13;
KSI: S-E-R –&#13;
DA: S-E-R?&#13;
KS: G-E –&#13;
DA: G-E?&#13;
KS: D-A.&#13;
DA: D-A?&#13;
KS: Yeah.&#13;
DA: And this is your wife?&#13;
KS: Yeah.&#13;
DA: Thank you for letting us come.&#13;
I’m going to try to translate a little slower – as I’ve listened, some of it’s gone a little fast&#13;
and we’ve not gotten it all.&#13;
DAI: Um-hmm?&#13;
DA: So I’ll try to just translate slower – just a couple sentences at a time – and then I think&#13;
that will go a little better.&#13;
DAI: Okay.&#13;
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DAI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
DA: And it is Sunday, May 17th, 2015. We have another son?&#13;
KS: Yeah, Myo.&#13;
DA: What’s your name?&#13;
MY: Myo.&#13;
DA: Myo?&#13;
MY: Yeah.&#13;
DA: How do you spell that?&#13;
MY: M-Y-O.&#13;
DA: And how old are you?&#13;
MY: Fourteen.&#13;
DA: Fourteen? You have a great family.&#13;
KS: [Laughs]&#13;
DAI: [Repeating statement in Burmese.]&#13;
DA: Yeah, this is great. Okay, did I get all the tag?&#13;
DG: I think so.&#13;
DA: Okay. So we are just going to start the interview.&#13;
What is your full name and birth year?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: K-A S-I-N.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm.&#13;
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KS: Yeah. Birthday – December 18, 1967.&#13;
DA: Fifty-seven?&#13;
KS: Sixty.&#13;
KSI: 1967.&#13;
DA: Sixty-seven; okay, good. What languages do you speak?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: Burmese and Karen.&#13;
KSI: Burmese and Karen.&#13;
DA: And Karen? Good. Tell me about your family?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: Yeah. [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: He has a total family of six people in the family: four childrens, and him and his wife.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm. Describe for me your religious community, your ethnic community; describe&#13;
for me what it is for you to be a Burmese Muslim?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Living here it’s the same, but the ethnic group and religious group is a little different.&#13;
DA: It’s a little different?&#13;
KSI: Yeah.&#13;
DA: In what way?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: How do we like practice the religion.&#13;
DA: Right, um-hmm. Is there a place where you can go to practice your religion?&#13;
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DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Here they have it, but it’s a different language –&#13;
DA: Oh, right.&#13;
KSI: But in Salt Lake they do have it in the same language.&#13;
KS: Yeah.&#13;
DA: In Salt Lake?&#13;
KSI: Yeah.&#13;
DA: Okay. Tell me about Burma? You were born in Burma?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: What would you like to know about Burma?&#13;
DA: Is it hot? Is it beautiful?&#13;
KS: Ah, yeah.&#13;
KSI: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
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KSI: There are three seasons –&#13;
DA: Um-hmm.&#13;
KSI: Yeah, summer, rainy, and foggy.&#13;
DA: Summer, rain and foggy – that’s good. We haven’t heard that before. How long did you&#13;
live there?&#13;
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KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
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KSI: Like 21 years.&#13;
DA: Uh-huh? Twenty-one years?&#13;
KS: Maybe 25 year.&#13;
DA: Maybe 25; yes? Why did you leave?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: It’s hard to live because there are civil wars going around, and they are like ethnic groups&#13;
(like Karen group) that didn’t get along with –&#13;
DA: That didn’t get along with the government?&#13;
KS: Yeah.&#13;
DA: Or each other?&#13;
KSI: Yeah, with the government, with the soldiers, and with the Karen ethnic group.&#13;
DA: Okay, okay. So what was that experience like – leaving Burma? What was that like to&#13;
leave your country, leave your home?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: He felt very bad, like because at first he had some educations in the city, and then he had&#13;
to move because in Burma there are all still civil war. He felt very bad.&#13;
DA: Yeah, I’m sure; I’m sure. Where did you relocate first?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: At first Burma to Thailand refugee camp.&#13;
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DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KSI: He relocated first in the Thai city for about three years and it did not work out, so he had&#13;
to move to a refugee camp.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm, okay. What was your experience like in the refugee camp?&#13;
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DAI: [Repeating question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: They are like –&#13;
KS: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: A lot of different peoples –&#13;
DA: Um-hmm?&#13;
KSI: And different situation – like sometimes they are same level.&#13;
DA: Yeah. Describe to me what you ate (the food), what was the medical care like? If you got&#13;
sick, what would happen?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: They gave free food from rice, oil, salt, and they don’t do meat or other stuff – because&#13;
he also want to eat those meat –&#13;
DA: Yeah. But there wasn’t any?&#13;
KS: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: He had to find a way –&#13;
DA: To get food?&#13;
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KSI: All the medical care out there are free.&#13;
DA: Was it easy to get to? Was it close?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: It’s not that easy to go to the hospital because no transportation –&#13;
DA: Right.&#13;
KSI: I have to walk.&#13;
DA: And it was big – it was a ways away?&#13;
KSI: Um-hmm.&#13;
DA: Yeah.&#13;
KSI: Like 15 minutes.&#13;
DA: Yeah. Describe your work and school, there in the refugee camp, for you.&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: For the school, there is no school for an adult (like him). And then a job – he had to go&#13;
outside of the camp and work for it.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm. Tell me what your life was day-to-day; so you would get up about what time?&#13;
You would eat breakfast, or – tell me what a typical day was like for you.&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: He would wake up like early in the morning (like four) –&#13;
DA: Um-hmm? And then that’s – what time would you go to bed at night?&#13;
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KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Like nine to ten.&#13;
DA: Yeah, yeah; okay. What did you do for work in the camp?&#13;
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DA: Okay?&#13;
KSI: Fix the road, and also the stables[?] –&#13;
DA: Okay. Do you still get up at four?&#13;
KS: Huh?&#13;
DA: Do you still get up so early?&#13;
DAI: Now?&#13;
DA: Yeah.&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Sometimes; and sometimes earlier than that.&#13;
DA: Really?&#13;
DG: Wow.&#13;
DA: Tell me about the holidays (or the celebrations) that you celebrated in the camp?&#13;
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KSI: Yeah. He wants to talk about the Eid.&#13;
DA: Uh-huh, yes?&#13;
KSI: In the morning he will wake up and go to mosque and pray, and then he will find new&#13;
clothes for his children to wear.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm. Someone else had said you needed a new outfit for Eid, is that right?&#13;
KSI: Um-hmm, yeah.&#13;
DA: Yeah. Okay, what was the government like – how did the government behave with the&#13;
refugees? What was the climate there? Was it helpful? Was it combative? How helpful&#13;
was the government when you were in the refugee camp?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
DA: This would have been Thailand I guess, yeah.&#13;
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KSI: Yeah, he don’t know about the government because he don’t see it; but there is a&#13;
sharing[?] group that helped. And then sometimes they are good, sometimes they are very&#13;
bad peoples. If you want to go out and work, they close the gate – they never let him go&#13;
out. And then he would find a way to get out from the gate and then go find job. And then&#13;
once he came back the soldier will stop him and then take some money.&#13;
KS: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
DA: Why wouldn’t they want you to leave to go work?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: They thought that they already gave free food to the refugees, and then they thought that&#13;
it’s enough for them.&#13;
DA: Rice, but no meat?&#13;
KSI: Yeah.&#13;
DA: Was enough? Okay. Did you feel safe in the camp? Did you feel safe for you, and safe&#13;
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KSI: It’s not safe because the refugee camp in Burma – it’s very close; sometimes the Burmese&#13;
government will come and shoot and burn their houses.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm, um-hmm; we’ve heard that story before, yeah.&#13;
KSI: They want control the camps –&#13;
DA: Yeah, and it was very dangerous.&#13;
KSI: Um-hmm.&#13;
DA: Yeah. How did you learn about the U.S. refugee program?&#13;
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KSI: There are a group that would take care of the camp that would come and let them know –&#13;
like, “You can go register for the American, for Denmark, for Australia.” And then he –&#13;
yeah, from there he come here.&#13;
DA: Okay. Who helped you apply?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KSI: Thai also helped, he don’t know exactly –&#13;
DA: Um-hmm?&#13;
KSI: Yeah, Thai – that group also help – it’s called like OPE –&#13;
DA: Um-hmm, um-hmm.&#13;
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DA: Tell me about coming to the U.S. – I’m sure that was a lot – very emotional – to leave;&#13;
I’m sure it was scary. Tell me about when you came to the U.S. – where did you come&#13;
first? What was that first day like?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KSI: It’s very emotional because totally like different people. In the camp, like people are not&#13;
like human [laughs].&#13;
DA: Um-hmm, um-hmm.&#13;
KSI: Yeah, because they are all dirty.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm, yeah. Where did you first land? Where did you first come? Where was your&#13;
first stop here?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: First, Thai, Bangkok (bigger city) –&#13;
DA: Yeah.&#13;
KSI: And then to – where was it?&#13;
KS: Japan.&#13;
KSI: To Japan, and to New York, to California, and then to Salt Lake.&#13;
DA: Did you live in Salt Lake for awhile at first, or did you come right to Logan?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: He was in Salt Lake about one year –&#13;
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KSI: And then he also work at DI. His wife work as a babysitter to other people houses.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm, good; good. So if you worked at the DI, did you get help from any churches or&#13;
any other organizations in the U.S.? And what about – what was helpful, what wasn’t&#13;
helpful about your assistance?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: The church helped – did the most.&#13;
DA: How could that be improved?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
DA: What improvements could we make?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KS: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: DI help a lot with teaching English. He can only work for a year, and for the&#13;
improvement – it’s not – he don’t need that much improvement because he think that it’s&#13;
kind of enough.&#13;
DA: It was enough? Okay; that’s good to know. How long have you lived here, in Logan?&#13;
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KSI: About six years.&#13;
DA: Yeah?&#13;
KS: Yeah.&#13;
DA: What do you do here?&#13;
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DA: At Miller? Um-hmm.&#13;
KS: Yeah.&#13;
DA: What is it like for you and your family to live here, in Logan? Is it a good place, you&#13;
know, do you feel accepted by the community? Do you feel the schools are good and&#13;
helpful?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KSI: Compared to the camp it’s a very good place here; the community is also good – he can&#13;
make friends easily.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm. Do you like working at Miller’s?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
DA: Is that a good thing?&#13;
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KSI: He can’t say, because he don’t know if he like or not because he have to work.&#13;
DA: Yeah, you have to work – it doesn’t matter if he likes it or not –&#13;
KSI: Yeah.&#13;
DA: Yeah, that makes sense. What would make you feel more at home here, in Logan, for&#13;
your family and for you?&#13;
DAI: What was that question again?&#13;
DA: What would make him feel more at home here, in Logan?&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
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KSI: Now he don’t feel like this is his home because he is just – only him working, and then he&#13;
have a lot of children.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm, um-hmm. So he does feel like this is his home, or he doesn’t?&#13;
KSI: He doesn’t.&#13;
DA: He doesn’t? Why? What could we do – what would need to change for him to feel at&#13;
home? Or where would he feel at home?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Government help him, but he know that he have to work for himself. And also, in the&#13;
future, his son and wife maybe if they could help him work, so that way he could buy a&#13;
house –&#13;
DA: Um-hmm, um-hmm. Is there anything specific – like would it be helpful if there were&#13;
more cultural events? Does he feel like he has a community here that assists him and&#13;
helps him, you know, if he has to go to the grocery store or get gas, or whatever – you&#13;
know, is there anything that we can do to help him feel more at home? Or is it just a&#13;
language barrier, you know? I mean, what sorts of things would help him feel more at&#13;
home?&#13;
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KSI: Yeah, he feel like – yeah, if they would help he would feel like he is part of the&#13;
community.&#13;
DA: Okay, okay; great. Tell me what is the difference between your home here, and your&#13;
home in the refugee camp?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KSI: It’s a big difference as like brown and the sky.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm, um-hmm. Do you have a good experience with your landlord?&#13;
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DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Yeah, he has a good experience. If he need help he can call them –&#13;
DA: And they’re very helpful?&#13;
KSI: Yeah, they are.&#13;
DA: That’s good; that’s good to know. What would you like the people of Logan to know&#13;
about you? And then what would you like them to know about your family?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Like to let everyone know he don’t have much time –&#13;
DA: Um-hmm?&#13;
KSI: And then for his kids – like their friends, they could tell by themselves.&#13;
DA: If you had more time, what would you want to do?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KSI: Once he was younger, he always interested in English, he always want to like, know. And&#13;
now if he have time, he would like to take classes.&#13;
DA: Learn English?&#13;
KSI: Yeah.&#13;
DA: If they came to Miller’s at lunch hour a couple of days a week and taught English, would&#13;
you be able to go to those English classes?&#13;
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KSI: At Miller, there is no time because he only get 30 minutes of lunch time –&#13;
DA: Oh.&#13;
KSI: And then after that he have to go to use the restroom.&#13;
DA: Yeah, yeah – just take care of yourself.&#13;
KS: Yeah.&#13;
KSI: Yeah.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm. That makes sense. Would you like to go back to Burma?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KSI: Well he would like to go back because he has parents – his father (who is unhealthy), but&#13;
he cannot go back now: his childrens are still young, and money problems.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm. Can you communicate with your father?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KSI: Yeah, he can communicate; and he also send like $100-200 a year.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm, to them; does it help?&#13;
KSI: Yeah.&#13;
DA: It helps them? Do you send pictures to each other? You know, does your father know&#13;
what your family looks like in pictures?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: There was a friend who went back to Burma, and then he send one picture, and now he&#13;
don’t know how to send it.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm; because he’s not there anymore?&#13;
KSI: Yeah.&#13;
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DA: What are you most proud of?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KSI: He is very proud of his childrens that come here and live their life; he can’t imagine like,&#13;
seeing his childrens, like in the camp working in the jungle.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm, yeah. What are your dreams for your future, and the future of your family?&#13;
What are your dreams and what’s the dreams for your family?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
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KSI: He don’t have his own dreams for himself, but he do have a dreams for his childrens to&#13;
like grow up and get better jobs (not like him). He would like to buy a house here for his&#13;
family.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm, yeah. That’s good. Is there anything that I haven’t asked, that you would like&#13;
me to know? Are there any other questions; is there anything you want me to know that I&#13;
haven’t asked?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: If you like, he can talk about his experience more.&#13;
DA: Yeah, yeah; I would like to hear more about your experiences.&#13;
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DAI: [Repeating statement in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
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KSI: In Burma, in the city, he lived with his family there (five people in the family) –&#13;
[Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: He is the middle one. When he was younger he don’t have to do any work, and then when&#13;
he get older he had to work. And then his older brother, like somehow with the soldier,&#13;
got to refugee camp.&#13;
DA: So where is his brother now?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Still in Thailand.&#13;
DA: Still in Thailand?&#13;
KSI: Oh no, Burma.&#13;
DA: In Burma? So not in the refugee camp?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: No.&#13;
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DG: Yes, I did. Let me see. So you said that when you first left Burma you tried to move to a&#13;
city in Thailand? Can you tell us a little more about that, and what that was like trying to&#13;
live in a city?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: It’s not in the big city; it’s just like in the kind of city in the jungle, so like a lot of&#13;
creatures.&#13;
DG: Okay. So why did you leave the city?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: There was only three months of work in a year, so it’s not enough. And then he cannot go&#13;
back to Burma, so he had to leave.&#13;
DA: Go back.&#13;
DG: Okay.&#13;
DA: Do you talk about this much with your kids – about your experiences in Burma? Do they&#13;
know?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: He did not talk about it because he don’t want his childrens feel like sorry or feel bad,&#13;
and then feel fear.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm.&#13;
DG: Now just one more question (for me): you mentioned that you were having a hard time&#13;
sending pictures to your family? Do you need help figuring out how to do that, or is there&#13;
some kind of problem just getting it to your family?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KSI: Yeah, he would need help with it.&#13;
DA: Okay. Does your father have a computer?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: No.&#13;
DG: Okay, yeah; I know how to like send pictures through email, but if he doesn’t have a&#13;
computer, that’s going to be difficult.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm, yeah.&#13;
DGI: [Repeating statement in Burmese.]&#13;
DG: If you like, I can show you how to do that when we’re finished today.&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.] [Laughs]&#13;
KSI: Well they don’t even have computers, so –&#13;
DA: He doesn’t have a computer, so it wouldn’t help?&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
DG: Well I do know that if you can send him a letter, I know you can take your photos to like,&#13;
I think Wal-Mart with print them out for you, so you can you know, just put them in a&#13;
letter and mail them. I haven’t had to do that in a long time, but I think Wal-Mart would&#13;
be able to help.&#13;
CD: I think it’s more of a problem of a physical address getting it –&#13;
DG: Ah.&#13;
CD: To him.&#13;
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DG: Okay, I missed that detail.&#13;
DGI: Yeah. [Laughs]&#13;
[Repeating statement in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
DA: Cami, did you have any questions?&#13;
CD: Yes, I’m going to move a little bit closer to the microphone.&#13;
We’ve interviewed some other people that were also in the refugee camp, and they&#13;
mentioned (like you did) the need to obtain new clothing for Eid. I’m wondering where&#13;
you would get the new clothing from?&#13;
CDI: In the camp?&#13;
CD: Yeah, to celebrate. Yes, in the camp.&#13;
CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: He had to find money earlier, yeah, and then he would buy it for them.&#13;
CD: And would the clothing be purchased outside of the camp, or inside the camp?&#13;
CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Inside of the camp. Inside of the camp.&#13;
CD: I wasn’t sure, maybe you picked up on this – are both of your parents alive, and they are&#13;
still in the camp, or just your father?&#13;
CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: They are both alive, but not in the camp – in Burma.&#13;
DA: In Burma; and it’s hard to get the things to Burma.&#13;
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CD: So you have family members still in Burma – are they more safe or less safe than if they&#13;
were in the refugee camp?&#13;
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CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: They don’t have to worry about their lives; because they are old, when the civil war is&#13;
coming the soldier won’t take them because they cannot work anymore.&#13;
DA: So they’re older –&#13;
KSI: Yeah.&#13;
DA: And so they’re safer?&#13;
KSI: Um-hmm, they’re safer.&#13;
DG: That’s a terrible way to be safe.&#13;
DA: Um-hmm.&#13;
DG: I have just one more question. When you left your home in Burma, and then when you&#13;
left the camps, did you have any of your children with you at that time?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: When he come to Thailand, he had to walk like three days and three night. He is not&#13;
married yet; he got married in Thai camp.&#13;
DA: In Thai camp.&#13;
KSI: Um-hmm. So once he leave Thailand with his children.&#13;
DG: What was that like, having to move to a new place with little kids?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: It’s not that hard, he just want like all together safe, and get whatever he want to do.&#13;
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DG: Okay. Those are all the questions I have.&#13;
DA: Do your children participate at school in other things? You know, do you go to the school&#13;
to the things that they’re active in?&#13;
DAI: Here?&#13;
DA: Yeah, here in Logan?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Yeah, he don’t participate, but when his children still go to school he force them to go to&#13;
school. And then only his wife participate in like parent-teacher conferences –&#13;
DA: Conferences; yeah, that makes sense. Do you like American food?&#13;
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KS: Hmm?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.] [Laughing]&#13;
KSI: He like hamburger –&#13;
DA: A hamburger?&#13;
KSI: But it’s kind of expensive for him.&#13;
DA: It is expensive; it is expensive, yeah.&#13;
KS: The pizza a lot.&#13;
KSI: Pizza –&#13;
KS: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: He says there it’s less expensive: he can buy a box and they’re whole family can eat.&#13;
DA: Yeah, pizza – everybody loves pizza!&#13;
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KSI: If he only have to eat American food, it will be more expensive –&#13;
DA: Yeah, yeah. Do you grocery shop in Salt Lake, like most of your community does? Do&#13;
you have to go to Salt Lake to get your groceries?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Yeah.&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Like two months.&#13;
DA: Yeah, yeah; where is that grocery store?&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: He bought rice here, and in Salt Lake – I don’t even know the address –&#13;
DA: Yeah?&#13;
KSI: Like Redwood Road.&#13;
DA: What’s the name of the store?&#13;
KSI: There are like Cambodian store –&#13;
DA: Cambodian store?&#13;
KS: Chinese.&#13;
KSI: Pakistan and Chinese, I think.&#13;
DA: Yeah. I’m sorry you have to go so far.&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Well he had to go buy like half of the food over there, and then half of the food here.&#13;
DA: Here? Where do you like to shop here?&#13;
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DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Like Smith’s.&#13;
DA: Smith’s – that’s where we all go, yeah.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
Good; good. I don’t know that I have any more questions. You have been very delightful.&#13;
Your family is beautiful.&#13;
DG: Thank you.&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: Thanks.&#13;
DA: So we just have some forms to sign. Oh –&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
DA: This just says we can use the interview for the presentation.&#13;
DAI: Oh, this is already signed.&#13;
DA: Oh yeah, yeah; sorry. Yeah, I can’t give you that one [laughs].&#13;
KS: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
DA: Yeah; this just says that we can use the recording: it will be stored at Utah State&#13;
University. And then do you mind if we take pictures?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KS: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Yeah, you can take pictures.&#13;
KS: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
DG: And we do need you to fill out all the blanks, and we need to talk about that last one a&#13;
little bit – so when you’re done with the rest, we’ll talk about it.&#13;
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Okay, do we want to end the tape?&#13;
DA: So we’re just making sure we have consent to use the audio tape and the pictures in the&#13;
Special Collections, and he understands.&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: Yeah.&#13;
DA: Yep.&#13;
KSI: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
DA: Oh, we don’t need that one.&#13;
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KSI: Is it in English?&#13;
[More discussion between Ka Sin and translator in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: I can’t read Burmese [laughs].&#13;
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KSI: I can’t.&#13;
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DA: It’s beautiful; I mean, look how pretty it is. Do your children – do you read Burmese? Do&#13;
you speak much Burmese?&#13;
[Discussion between Ka Sin and translator in Burmese as they fill out the information and&#13;
release forms.]&#13;
CD: I’m just going to take a few photos to make sure that the light is okay, if that’s alright?&#13;
DG: And email, if you have one.&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KSI: No, he doesn’t have email, so –&#13;
KS: Is that finished?&#13;
DG: That last one is – I would love if you could translate for me – that last blank is&#13;
restrictions: just if there is something you don’t want us to do, you can write it there.&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
DG: So if you don’t want us to share your name, or share your photo, or something like that.&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
KS: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
DA: Okay, this is the celebration – I know it’s in English, but maybe your kids could translate&#13;
that for you. This is what – thank you – this is where we will be showing the photos and&#13;
the presentation that we put together for the community.&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
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DA: Okay, good. Thank you.&#13;
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[Speaking to Ka Sin’s child] So will you be a senior next year, or a junior? A senior? And&#13;
how do you like Harry Potter?&#13;
ZN: It’s a great story.&#13;
DA: It’s a great story; yeah, it’s my favorite [laughs].&#13;
CD: You don’t mind if I take some photos?&#13;
DG: Oh, the recording is still going.&#13;
DA: The recording needs to – yeah, we’re done with the recording. Thank you.&#13;
DG: Alright, we are done with the interview.&#13;
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                <text>This photograph of Ka Mar's grandparents hangs on the west wall of the front room in Ka Mar's apartment alongside a calendar, photographs, award certificates, and perhaps a religious motif. We did not find out the names of the grandparents.</text>
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