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                <text>The interview took place in Snay Tun's family home in Logan. Snay Tun is a young Karen man in his early twenties. The interview occurred on the floor of his living room where we spoke for about an hour regarding his life as a refugee, moving to the US, school, and his passion for the sport Takraw.</text>
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                <text>Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Snay Tun May 19, 2015 1&#13;
CACHE VALLEY REFUGEE ORAL HISTORY PROJECT&#13;
TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET&#13;
Interviewee(s): Snay Tun&#13;
Present: Wes Van de Water, Snay Tun, Bethany Hanks, Meagan Gill&#13;
Place of Interview: Logan, Utah&#13;
Date of Interview: May 19, 2015&#13;
Language(s): English&#13;
Interviewer: Wes Van de Water&#13;
Recordist: Meagan Gill&#13;
Photographer: Bethany Hanks&#13;
Recording Equipment: Tascam DR-100mk11 linear PCM recorder; Senal ENG-18RL broadcast-quality omnidirectional dynamic microphone&#13;
Transcription Equipment: Express Scribe software&#13;
Transcribed by: Wes Van de Water May 23, 2015&#13;
Transcript Proofed by: Wes Van de Water May 23, 2015&#13;
Brief Description of Contents: Snay Tun talks about his youth in the Umphiem Refugee Camp, moving to the United States, his life as a college student, his family, Karen traditions, and about the sport of Takraw.&#13;
Reference:&#13;
WV = Wes Van de Water&#13;
ST= Snay Tun&#13;
BH = Bethany Hanks&#13;
MG= Meagan Gill&#13;
Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Snay Tun May 19, 2015 2&#13;
Tape Transcription&#13;
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WV: Okay, so we are here meeting with Snay Tun, it is 11:22 on May 19th- um, I am Wes Van de Water, I will be doing the interview, Bethany Hanks is doing the photography, and Meagan Gill is recording the interview. Um, so Snay, if you would, could you tell us your full name and birth year?&#13;
ST: Well, my name is Snay Tun, my birthday is October 13, 1994.&#13;
WV: Thank you. So, I guess to start off, could you just tell us a little bit about your family, about- are you from Burma or Karen?&#13;
ST: Uh, I am from Burma, but I our country is inside of Burma.&#13;
WV: Okay.&#13;
ST: We are Karen.&#13;
WV: Oh so you're form Karen state?&#13;
ST: Yes, Karen state.&#13;
WV: Ok. So could you just tell us a bit about your family in the Karen state?&#13;
ST: Well, I don't really know, but because they said there is a war, so we had to move over to another country. So, yeah.&#13;
WV: Ok. So, did you grow up in a refugee camp then?&#13;
ST: Yes. I grew up in a refugee camp.&#13;
WV: Uh, which camp were you from, or did you grow up in?&#13;
ST: I grew up in Umphiem.&#13;
WV: Umphiem?&#13;
ST: U-M-P-H-I-E-M&#13;
WV: Where was that located, do you know?&#13;
ST: It's in Thailand.&#13;
WV: Thailand.&#13;
ST: Yeah. Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Snay Tun May 19, 2015 3&#13;
WV: So, how old were you when you first went there?&#13;
ST: Oh, I was like five years.&#13;
WV: And how many- or how long did you live in Umphiem?&#13;
ST: I lived there for nine years.&#13;
WV: So, what was life in Umphiem like? What was it like living there?&#13;
ST: Well, if, like, it was just- it was a refugee camp. As you see it's not like, not really free to go outside. We just stayed in the camp. But we do receive food and then medicaid. Yeah, like it's a hospital or children free to get medication for free.&#13;
WV: So what were the setups of the camps like? Like what kind of, were, they, um, were they sort of like temporary buildings that could be moved, or were they, um, places built like this where they're not really designed to be moved?&#13;
ST: uh, well, I'm not really sure, because like, you know the home was built with the wood-&#13;
WV: Mhm&#13;
ST: So, yeah, if they moved like that, to, like, like... um, broke down everything and moved to another one, because we're not sure like, it's still good to move or not, you know.&#13;
WV: Um, so where or how did you wind up leaving the camp? And where did you go after you left the refugee camp?&#13;
ST: After I left the refugee camp, I just moved to here. Moved to USA.&#13;
WV: Ok. Um, so did you where did you arrive when you first came to the States?&#13;
ST: Salt Lake City, Utah.&#13;
WV: So what caused you to move from Salt Lake to Logan?&#13;
ST: To Logan, at first my father he got a job here, so yeah. He like, told us to come and move with him in here and stay here. So, he could take care of us, like if we lived close to him.&#13;
WV: Ok. Where does your father work?&#13;
ST: JBS.&#13;
WV: So and you said that you- so you moved here to Logan and you started going to school, is that right? Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Snay Tun May 19, 2015 4&#13;
ST: Yes.&#13;
WV: What are you studying here?&#13;
ST: Right now?&#13;
WV: Yes at Utah State&#13;
ST: I don't have major yet, I am an undeclared student. I just take a major, like general class.&#13;
WV: Uh, what do you think you want to study?&#13;
ST: Well, I think I want to study political science.&#13;
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WV: Do you have any, what do you plan on doing, or what would you like to do after you finish college?&#13;
ST: Uh well, after I have finished college, I'm not really sure what to do yet. But I thought if I get my degree, I might, like, plan to go to back to Thailand or something. Yeah. Or Burma.&#13;
WV: What would you like to do if you moved back there?&#13;
ST: Moved back there? Um, well, for what I'm thinking maybe, like, join some kind of like, community. Like&#13;
WV: what exactly do you mean?&#13;
ST: Like join some of kind community like, Karen community or something.&#13;
WV: So would you, I guess would you be interested in, trying to you know, trying to help stabilize the situation in Burma, you know, try to maybe work with the government on fixing things?&#13;
ST: Yeah, I plan to, yeah. If I got my degree. But I'm not really sure will study that.&#13;
WV: Right, so when did you start school here?&#13;
ST: I start school here since like 2009. I, like, well, I get in Salt Lake City, I stay there for 10 months, so I study 8th grade, when I move here, I studied 9th, and then, yeah.&#13;
WV: So you lived in Salt Lake for 10 months?&#13;
ST: Yeah. Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Snay Tun May 19, 2015 5&#13;
WV: Ok. And then you moved up here. So how big is your family? Is it just you, your mom and your dad?&#13;
ST: No, we have like, I got two brother and one sisters.&#13;
WV: Ok. How old are they?&#13;
ST: The, my sister is older. She is around 27. 28.&#13;
WV: What about your brothers?&#13;
ST: He is 25. And another one is 23.&#13;
WV: Ok. So, you're all a bit older. Adults then. Do they all live here in Logan?&#13;
ST: No. Two stay in Thailand. One in Logan.&#13;
WV: Ok.&#13;
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WV: Um, so, let's see... so I guess- well, both here in Logan as well as um, growing up in the camps, did you uh- have any celebrations that you guys would do, like any special holidays?&#13;
ST: Yeah, like, especially like birthdays, yeah, we celebrated. Also, like New Years in camp, we did it. But, in here, we have a really big space. But they did it in Salt Lake City.&#13;
WV: Um, so, I guess how do Karen people celebrate birthdays? Do they do things very differently?&#13;
ST: Um, not really different. But, like most of them kinda do it on Sundays after church. So, like, they just go and announce it at our church. So, after church, everyone gonna come back and like, at the house and but, yeah, we celebrated together.&#13;
WV: Ok. Uh, where do you go to church? Or what church do you attend?&#13;
ST: Uh, it's in Smithfield.&#13;
WV: It's out in Smithfield?&#13;
ST: Yeah, and its' in Smithfield.&#13;
WV: What church out in Smithfield?&#13;
ST: Uh, I don't really know what to call it. Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Snay Tun May 19, 2015 6&#13;
WV: I'm trying to think what that would be. I've only been there a few times. Is it, mostly just other members of the Karen community that go there, or is it, sort of a mixed group?&#13;
ST: Uh, no, just Karen people.&#13;
WV: Ok.&#13;
ST: Just Karen that go there.&#13;
WV: So it's a lot of, so I guess a lot of your celebrations are just within the community, so sort of everyone's welcome?&#13;
ST: Mhm.&#13;
WV: Um, so do you remember much, growing up in the camps, about maybe the political environment, or did you just, know that you weren't really supposed to go outside?&#13;
ST: Well, I grew up in a camp, but you know sometimes they will tell us not to go out of the camp, or something. Yeah. That's how, but sometimes they let us, you know it's kind of difficult. If you don't have jobs, you need money, right? So you have to go out, but if like, they catch you, they just gonna take you away. Because, yeah. You are a refugee, so, yeah.&#13;
WV: You were about 14 when you left, right?&#13;
ST: Yeah, I was about 14.&#13;
WV: So did you, I guess, what was the youngest age that people would work there in the camp?&#13;
ST: Work, I think, maybe, I don't know, like 10? 12? I don't know, if you want to, you can, because there's no limit of age.&#13;
WV: Ok. What kind of jobs are available for you know, 10 or 12 year old kids to do?&#13;
ST: I, well, you know, just random jobs. Like, maybe, just going and like plant corn, maybe, yeah. When I was like, 12, like, they just go and like cut rice. Harvest.&#13;
WV: Were the fields inside the camp?&#13;
ST: No. Not inside. Like, just everything just outside of the camp.&#13;
WV: Ok.&#13;
ST: Because inside of the camp, just only going to be homes, adn then, yeah.&#13;
WV: Oh, so they just had houses and things? Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Snay Tun May 19, 2015 7&#13;
ST: Yeah, house, school, and hospital. Yeah. Church, monastery.&#13;
WV: So, like about how big was the camp?&#13;
ST: How big?&#13;
WV: Was it pretty small and kind of cramped together, or was it pretty spread out?&#13;
ST: You know, some part is, like, homes are less sticking together. It depends on how you build them. Some people they wanna build homes that stick with each other, but some people have like a bit space. Small space between each home and another one.&#13;
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WV: Um, so was the camp you lived in, was it one of the UN camps, or was it a Thai military camp?&#13;
ST: It's a UN camp.&#13;
WV: So is that how you found out about being able to come over here to the States was from the UN workers?&#13;
ST: Well, I think, I'm not really know about that, because like my parents took care of that, so yeah. I think they might hear from their friends.&#13;
WV: So when you first moved here to the US, how was it adjusting to living in Salt Lake?&#13;
ST: Adjusting? Well, you know, first time when I get here, I don't really know, like live, or act. But, later I get used to it, after I go to school, and like, yeah. That's how.&#13;
WV: So did you have, um, did you have help from the government, or any of the local community, as far as adjusting to living here?&#13;
ST: Yeah, we do. Because, like when we moved here first, we received medicaid and stuff like that.&#13;
WV: Was that through the government, or was that people in the community helping?&#13;
ST: The government.&#13;
WV: Okay. Um, so what about, um, living here up in Logan, how do you like it?&#13;
ST: Well, I really like it, because I, well, in my sight, I see like homes, there's space between one and another, but when I live in Salt Lake City, I saw the apartments like kinda sticky. So I just Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Snay Tun May 19, 2015 8&#13;
used to living in home that, like, live like with space between other ones, so I like it better than Salt Lake.&#13;
WV: Yeah, Salt Lake is- [LAUGHTER] pretty packed.&#13;
ST: Yeah. Sticky traffic.&#13;
[LAUGHTER]&#13;
WV: Yeah, traffic is really really bad.&#13;
ST: Heavy traffic.&#13;
WV: Um, so how has it been, um, adjusting to being a college student for you? Because you said you were doing 8th grade when you first arrived in Salt Lake?&#13;
ST: Yeah.&#13;
WV: So how has going to college been for you?&#13;
ST: Well, going to college, well, it's kinda hard to say. You know, but, because like you have to study a lot, so yeah.&#13;
WV: So did you learn any English when you were over in Thailand, or did you start learning when you were arrived here?&#13;
ST: When I live in Thailand, I used to learn abcs and stuff like that, I learn the alphabet later. So yeah, just, yeah, later.&#13;
[LAUGHTER].&#13;
WV: Ok. So you knew a bit before you got here?&#13;
ST: Yeah.&#13;
WV: Um, so, how does your, like your home here in Logan, compare to your home in the camp?&#13;
ST: Well, it's a lot better. Because there, um, you know, inside of the camp, so it's like, the home was made of wood and stuff like that. In here like you don't build with that. So yeah, but it's a different thing. There just only from one family stay inside here in an apartment. So, like, people stay, like stay away from one another.&#13;
WV: So, I guess one of the things that, you know, that we're looking at, and sort of asking the people we've been meeting with is, is there anything that, you know, you feel, is important for you to be able to share with other people here in Cache Valley? You know, either about your Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Snay Tun May 19, 2015 9&#13;
experience, or your family, like is there anything that, if you could, um, that you would like to tell us? Does that make sense?&#13;
ST: Mhm. Well, I think that living in the USA life, live under regulations and stuff. Then, it's good to be better for us if we follow them than if we didn't. Because we know that in the US everyone live under the rules, so we can get in trouble if we don't follow them. Yeah.&#13;
[15:30 PAUSE FOR A FEW SECONDS]&#13;
WV: So, as far as what you've been able to accomplish since you came here to the US, what things are you most proud of, that you've been able to do since you came here.&#13;
ST: Well, um, I'm proud of like, I can speak better than I used to before. So, yeah. I'm proud of that, so I can like help my family and my brother who need my help later on.&#13;
WV: So are you the one that, do you speak, um, are you only one in your family that speaks English?&#13;
ST: Yeah.&#13;
WV: Ok. So I guess one of the things that I'm just curious about is, what do you do for fun or in your spare time?&#13;
ST: Well, in my spare time, I like to play Takraw, sometimes I read a book.&#13;
WV: What was the first one?&#13;
ST: Takraw.&#13;
WV: What is that?&#13;
ST: It's a game. Southeast Asian game.&#13;
WV: Uh, could you tell us a bit about it?&#13;
ST: Yeah, well, it was [clears throat] the ball is about this size big. It's like, well, you know, it's kinda hard when it's like not really new, it's kind of getting soft. So yeah, it's just like foot volleyball, you call it. You can only use your head, your knee, your side foot and front foot. But you can't use your hand.&#13;
WV: So it's kind of like a cross between volleyball and soccer then?&#13;
ST: Yeah. Volleyball. Like, yeah, volleyball and soccer, like just only three touch.&#13;
WV: Ok. Um, so how, like, what are some of the rules to it, how does it work?&#13;
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ST: Three people in a team. Well, you can touch it only three times one side. So you can pass one, to you, and one to her, and then over the net. I can do this only three time and then put it into another side, like just over the net. Just like that.&#13;
WV: So what exactly is the ball made of? I think I've seen maybe a picture or two,&#13;
ST: Yeah, plastic.&#13;
WV: Just plastic?&#13;
ST: Hard plastic.&#13;
WV: So how does it work with, you know, like scoring, how do you determine who wins?&#13;
ST: Well, there's a score, so, like, if you score like, there's a line, just like a, yeah. A line. You have to hit inside of the lines. So, yeah, you get a score, or like put it- there's a lot of activity you can do, called roll spike, back kick, so yeah.&#13;
WV: Um [LAUGHTER] I don't know anything about it... so you said roll spike?&#13;
ST: Yeah. You flip and kick in the air.&#13;
WV: Like, you flip through the air?&#13;
ST: Yeah, you kick in the air.&#13;
WV: Um, hmm. What kind of court is it played on? Is it cement, do you play in the sand or the grass or?&#13;
ST: Well, you can play anywhere, maybe. Yeah, cement. On grass. But, you know, it depends on people, where they wanna play. So you can do that.&#13;
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WV: Um, let's see. So does the net, is it like a volleyball net?&#13;
ST: It's small.&#13;
WV: In the one picture I saw,&#13;
ST: Yeah, it's smaller.&#13;
WV: OK. Just to keep the teams on opposite sides.&#13;
ST: Yeah, because, you know, people kick the ball really hard. If you have about this size big, the ball can't go through it. The ball... Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Snay Tun May 19, 2015 11&#13;
WV: So are you supposed to go, sorry... So you said it's about, maybe,&#13;
ST: The ball is about this big.&#13;
WV: So the ball is maybe a small watermelon size,&#13;
ST: Yeah.&#13;
WV: and the net is, are you supposed to shoot through the net?&#13;
ST: No, over.&#13;
WV: Over. Okay. How high up does it sit? Like, where does the net hang?&#13;
ST: Five feet and maybe, yeah. Five feet or five one or two. Or um,&#13;
WV: Okay. So it is very [LAUGHTER] sorry, I just find it really interesting, I've just never heard about this before. So it is very difficult to kick up over the net, do you have out of bounds, can you kick outside of-?&#13;
ST: well, you can, like, if you kick it out of the line, so it's out, so you won't receive a point.&#13;
WV: Mhm.&#13;
ST: So you're supposed to get the ball and kick it inside of the line. Where they tell you to kick, because three people in the team. Maybe one people serve it at the back, the other one's going to give another people ball, so the other one is going to spike it. Like, yeah.&#13;
WV: So, about how big is the um, I guess, the court?&#13;
ST: The court? Yeah, well, probably about this wide. Maybe a bit wider.&#13;
WV: So maybe, fifteen feet across? Roughly?&#13;
ST: I think so. But I don't really get it down. I would have to check it on the internet.&#13;
WV: So do you just decide when you're playing, is there a regular point limit, does it go by time?&#13;
ST: No, just like regular point limit.&#13;
WV: Ok. So what do you usually, what's the score to win typically?&#13;
ST: 15 point.&#13;
WV: 50? Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Snay Tun May 19, 2015 12&#13;
ST: 15.&#13;
WV: Oh, [LAUGHTER], 15.&#13;
ST: Yeah. But it just, we do it kind of like international count. So, yeah, if I get the ball, I score it. I got one point. If I get the ball, but I didn't score it. The point goes back to 0-1. But like you get the ball. You might, play like that.&#13;
WV: So you can lose points?&#13;
ST: No, you cannot lose points. If I score yours right?&#13;
WV: Mhm.&#13;
ST: Right now, I've got the ball, so I score into yours, so I get one point. Next ball, I kick it, but I didn't score it, so the point goes back to 0-1. If you score, then you get 1-1 like me. If you score another one, you get 2-1.&#13;
WV: Ok. Gotcha.&#13;
[LAUGHTER].&#13;
ST: If I got the ball, so you score my point first-&#13;
WV: Okay. I think I got it. So is that, is that just like from the Karen or Burma area, or is that common all over Southeast Asia?&#13;
ST: Maybe not all over. Because they play all over. Not just Karen people. Thai. China. Japanese. Korean. Philippines, Malaysia. Indian. A lot.&#13;
WV: Hmm. I've never heard of that before. What was that called again?&#13;
ST: Takraw.&#13;
WV: How do you spell that?&#13;
ST: S-C-P-A-K&#13;
WV: S-C&#13;
ST: P-A-K. Space. T-A-K-R-A-W.&#13;
WV: T-A-K-R-O what?&#13;
ST: R-A-W. T-A-K-R-A-W. Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Snay Tun May 19, 2015 13&#13;
WV: Oh, it's two separate words? Gotcha. So, how often do you play then? Is it something that you-&#13;
ST: Well, when we have the time and we're not busy. And it's on a sunny day to play one.&#13;
WV: [LAUGHTER] So you haven' t been able to play recently then? With the rain.&#13;
ST: not really. When it's cloudy or rainy, you don't really play, because its' kind of cold. Then like we're worried it's going to be slippery too, because you just use only your foot. So yeah, that's why.&#13;
WV: So do you play indoors in the winter, or do you guys not play at all here?&#13;
ST: We don't really have a space, so we don't really play indoors, so we don't play.&#13;
WV: Okay. Um, so what's the uh, sorry, I just looked up at your flag, and I see that you have these little pictures pinned to it, what are those?&#13;
ST: No, that's- [LAUGHTER], we just pin that up.&#13;
WV: So there's nothing to it.&#13;
ST: No, nothing. Just only, we just, yeah... the flag.&#13;
WV: So I'm kind of curious, because again, I've seen a couple of these, what exactly does the flag, or the marks and colors on the flag mean?&#13;
ST: Um, well, you mean the mark? There is nine like, nine. Is that what you mean?&#13;
WV: Well yeah, the lines, the stripes, and then the-&#13;
ST: There is nine mark right. It means like nine place.&#13;
WV: What does that symbolize?&#13;
ST: Nine place. Like, nine place.&#13;
WV: So just nine different places?&#13;
ST: Yeah. Nine different places.&#13;
WV: What exactly is that referring to? Like is it nine specific places, or?&#13;
ST: Yeah, nine different places. So, but I don't really know. My parents just told me about it.&#13;
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WV: Ok.&#13;
ST: So like, we learn about it from school. Nine different places. Or, maybe [LAUGHTER], I don't know.&#13;
WV: And what's the, I think that's a drum? The yellow thing in the center?&#13;
ST: Yeah, it's kinda maybe drum? Yeah.&#13;
WV: Does it, have any specific kind of drum or is it-?&#13;
ST: Yeah, specific kind of drum, like for Karen people.&#13;
WV: Where is it used?&#13;
ST: Used? Like, in it have, like many different kinds of it. Because like, there is not just only one. It has different specific names. So yeah.&#13;
WV: So there's like different types of drums, then?&#13;
ST: Yeah.&#13;
WV: Are they all called the same thing, and there's just different shapes and sizes?&#13;
ST: Different shapes and size.&#13;
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WV: So what kind of, I mean, you know events or things are those drums used for?&#13;
ST: You know, some people, they're gonna hit it while they announce things, or yeah. Sometimes, they gonna hit it, like, you know, depends on what situation they got. Like, maybe on the solar they're gonna hit one. So like there's a different drums on the solar, lunar or solar, or something like that. Maybe on a, maybe fast, or celebration they're going to hit, like a different one. It's not the same one. There's, like, many kinds that are different.&#13;
WV: Okay. Um, what are those drums called? Do you know?&#13;
ST: I just know in my language. [LAUGHTER].&#13;
WV: Okay, you don't have a translation for it?&#13;
ST: No, no.&#13;
WV: Um, so besides, so you have, Karen New Year is in December, is that right?&#13;
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ST: January.&#13;
WV: Oh, January.&#13;
ST: January first.&#13;
WV: So what other, uh, do the Karen people have any other specific holidays?&#13;
ST: Maybe, Independence Day. Independence, yeah.&#13;
WV: When is that?&#13;
ST: August 12th.&#13;
WV: OH, that's my birthday.&#13;
ST: [LAUGHTER] Really?&#13;
WV: Yeah. [LAUGHTER]. So that's Karen Independence Day?&#13;
ST: Uh-huh. I think it was the revolution day instead. Revolution.&#13;
WV: Okay. So is that, is that what started the conflict with Burma?&#13;
ST: Uh, yeah. That is. No, it's like the president, like, dead day. Like, they go to a congress, along the congress, like rest, they got killed. So, like they mark it as the revolution day.&#13;
WV: So one of the things that I don't know too much about, maybe you could tell me, is, what exactly started the conflict between Burma and Karen?&#13;
ST: Well, at first, like, after maybe British leave, but they left the land, so they thought like, maybe Burma, like, so, like, they can just discuss to each other, like if their land goes to like everyone, or something. But after the Karen go and declare, their like land, from Burma, they didn't ask for it. But Burma's like, uh, told them, I don't really know what to call it now. They didn't give the lands to like, so like, they have to fight. So, yeah.&#13;
WV: So, Burma didn't honor the deal that was made, is that it?&#13;
ST: Kind of like that. If we call it Burma, it's not right, because there's a lot of nations that is Burma, who's not soldier, you know? So yeah, there's a specific name for the soldier that we are fighting with.&#13;
WV: Okay, so you guys make a distinction between regular Burmese people and the Burmese military?&#13;
ST: Yeah, so if we call Burmese like, that's almost everyone who lives in Burma. So, yeah. Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Snay Tun May 19, 2015 16&#13;
WV: Um, what, term do you use to distinguish the two?&#13;
ST: Well, uh, one I don't really what to call it. MSPDC, I don't really know what to call it. In our own language, or Burmese language, we call it like another one.&#13;
WV: So you just have a separate term for the military?&#13;
ST: Mhm.&#13;
WV: So how big is Karen as a state?&#13;
ST: Uh, I don't really know, but I use to learn it, but I already forgot.&#13;
[LAUGHTER].&#13;
ST: Like several, eight nations inside of Burma, each nation go to separate one states, so like, you know, we have this big, each one takes a small one. Small one just is a small one after.&#13;
WV: So is it organized sort of like the United States the country, but Utah is a state. Is it the same kind of thing?&#13;
ST: Yeah, it's just like another state, but in here, but just everyone is like the same. Like same nation, same- you know like, but this place is different. Different nations that are separated from another one. So, like, everyone have their own state. They speak different language. Just not the same. The Karen are, but Burmese is just the dominant language in Burma. Everyone speaks it.&#13;
WV: So do most people speak multiple languages there/ So does everyone learn Burmese, but you might learn Karen as well?&#13;
ST: Burmese is the most dominant language. Because we call it Burma, so, like everyone is just supposed to know Burmese.&#13;
WV: So how many languages do you speak?&#13;
ST: Two or three. Three maybe? Yeah.&#13;
WV: So what are the three?&#13;
ST: Just my own language. And then English, and then, yeah, Thai.&#13;
WV: Okay. And did you pick up Thai in the camp? When you were growing up?&#13;
ST: Yeah.&#13;
[31:39 BRIEF PAUSE] Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Snay Tun May 19, 2015 17&#13;
WV: Um, so, if things in Burma were, you know, not as chaotic, would you wanna move back, or do you like living here in the United States?&#13;
[Faucet in the kitchen is turned on]&#13;
ST: Probably maybe just, stay here for a while. And but I'm not sure about going back. Probably some time I might go back.&#13;
WV: Would you go back to visit, or would you go back to live?&#13;
ST: Just for a visit.&#13;
WV: So you said that you had a sister who is still in Thailand, is that right?&#13;
ST: Mhm. Sister and brothers.&#13;
WV: So did they grow up in the camp, too, and just not leave? Or-&#13;
ST: Uh, yeah. Because they already have wife and husband, so they just stayed there with their husband and wife.&#13;
WV: Oh, so they just stayed with their own families.&#13;
ST: Mhm.&#13;
WV: Okay.&#13;
[32:43 BRIEF PAUSE]&#13;
WV: Trying to think. So is there anything else that, I mean, you, maybe that I haven't asked you, that you'd like to talk about or,&#13;
ST: Uh, well, probably. [LAUGHTER]. Not. I, can't think of anything.&#13;
WV: I guess, when, so Chit Moe contacted you about meeting with us, right?&#13;
ST: Yes.&#13;
WV: So what, I guess was your initial interest in talking to us?&#13;
ST: Talking to us? Well, like... [PAUSE]. So, just like, if we talk about ourselves. If you come visit, if you're new, and you talk about our nation, or you question us so you know about part of it, so yeah.&#13;
WV: Ok. Um, okay, I think that's most of the questions that I have, do Meagan or Bethany have any questions? Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Snay Tun May 19, 2015 18&#13;
BH: I, I have some questions.&#13;
ST: Okay, sure.&#13;
BH: Um, so, back- back to the game that you were talking about, it just sounds really interesting. Takraw, right?&#13;
ST: Yeah, Takraw.&#13;
BH: Uh, is that a game that you learned in the refugee camp?&#13;
ST: Yeah, we learn it since we were little. We used to play. We just tried to play random things.&#13;
BH: Okay, so you played that quite a bit there?&#13;
ST: Just tried to kick around.&#13;
BH: Um, are there other games that you would play in the camps?&#13;
ST: Uh, soccer as well.&#13;
BH: Just those two pretty much?&#13;
ST: Mhm.&#13;
BH: and was that because, you were there, as a young a pretty young child, right?&#13;
ST: Yeah.&#13;
BH: So- oh, sorry.&#13;
ST: Go ahead.&#13;
BH: So, is it kind of most of what you would do in the day, or did you have other responsibilities?&#13;
ST: Well, because we're students, so we're supposed to read, but I was lazy to read. So, yeah. Sometimes, after we read, we just kinda go and just maybe watch movies. Except for when we had free time we just go out and shoot birds. Well, we never found, or when we never found them we just kind of go like that. When we have a friend we played soccer.&#13;
BH: Okay. So it's cool that you kinda had different activities.&#13;
ST: Mhm.&#13;
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BH: Different things that you could do by yourself and things that you could do with other people.&#13;
ST: Yep.&#13;
BH: And, um, I... I actually, I'm curious about this-&#13;
ST: Oh, that's a calendar.&#13;
BH: A calendar?&#13;
ST: Yeah.&#13;
BH: Is that from Burma?&#13;
ST: Yeah, I think that's form Burma, or-&#13;
BH: Is that Burmese written on there? Burmese or Karen?&#13;
ST: It's Karen. It's,yeah, it's Karen.&#13;
BH: Cool. Is that, I guess, is the calendar system the same?&#13;
ST: Yeah, the same, but, you know, we have like New Years, and like, you know, sometimes we kind of like there's some another month, there are differences from USA calendars. So yeah, that's how we do it. Sometimes we compare. Sometimes which one... [LAUGHTER].&#13;
BH: Okay. I guess, I'm not really close enough to like, look at the, the material, but.&#13;
ST: You can go and look&#13;
BH: I can go and look?&#13;
ST: Yeah, yeah.&#13;
BH: Because it looks, um, okay. So it's like&#13;
ST: There is- there is an English, I think.&#13;
BH: Oh, there is?&#13;
ST: Yeah, I think so.&#13;
BH: Cool. So it, I mean, it looks like, uh, I was thinking maybe it was something kind of like your carpet here, that was, uh, or the rugs that was maybe liked stitched together, but it looks like something that's printed off. Cache Valley Refugee Oral History Project: Snay Tun May 19, 2015 20&#13;
ST: Yeah, that one is printed off.&#13;
BH: Okay. Cool. I might have had another question, do you have any questions? [To Meagan]&#13;
MG: So you said you were going to church.&#13;
ST: Yeah.&#13;
MG: What religion are you?&#13;
ST: Christian.&#13;
MG: Okay.&#13;
WV: So it just like a general Christian church that you go to?&#13;
ST: Yeah, just like that.&#13;
WV: Okay.&#13;
BH: I just thought of another. [LAUGHTER].&#13;
ST: Sure.&#13;
BH: So I'm looking, I'm trying to look at different pictures. And so I see up here there are these two photographs, are either of these, are you in these?&#13;
ST: Yeah, I'm in the small one. My brother is in the other one.&#13;
BH: In this one?&#13;
ST: Uh-huh. When I came to Logan.&#13;
BH: Yeah? SO these pictures are from when you first got here?&#13;
ST: Bear Lake.&#13;
BH: Oh, Bear Lake?&#13;
ST: Mhm.&#13;
BH: Cool, I was just curious about those. Is there, and this is just a curiosity, but is there anything about Burma, or Karen that you, uh, that you kinda miss?&#13;
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ST: Well, a thing I miss? I don't really know about what I miss, but you know, a good thing that I miss, because in Thailand there's a war, that we didn't get to face it. So yeah, good thing for us, so we didn't have to flee. Yeah, but, if you ask the elder people who used to live, like sixty or seventy years, if you ask them, they will you about the stories of like having to flee from Burma. Or like the army, yeah. If it like getting dark, they have to pack up things, and call up their family and start leaving. Yeah.&#13;
WV: So your family was able to avoid most of that, then?&#13;
ST: Well, I don't really choose to ask my parents about that.&#13;
WV: Mhm.&#13;
[38:56]&#13;
WV: You don't really remember having to deal with any of that.&#13;
ST: No, I didn't have to, because I was just born in the camp. And we couldn't really go anywhere, so, I didn't know like, what happened later. I know that we're like still a kid when it happened, so I didn't really know about anything.&#13;
WV: Do you guys have any other questions, or- [PAUSE] So, I mean, I guess we're just about done, then. Is there anything else that you, maybe, again, that we haven't asked? That you'd still like to talk about?&#13;
ST: Probably not. [LAUGHTER]. I don't really know how to ask questions.&#13;
WV: I guess, maybe, okay, final question. How exactly are these made? These rugs? I've seen a lot of them.&#13;
ST: Yeah, just like a carpet for us. Where we lived, we used to cover our floor with this.&#13;
WV: Mhm.&#13;
ST: Like, if you cover your floor with this, and it gets dirty, it doesn't like, get on the carpet. So you can clean it easily.&#13;
WV: Right.&#13;
ST: Yeah, so yeah. It's made with plastic, I think. I'm not really sure.&#13;
WV: I was going to say, because are these from- did you bring these from Burma, or did you get them here?&#13;
ST: Just get them here in a convenience store.&#13;
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WV: So these would normally be, made out of this kind of plastic material then, or are these usually like uh, cloth or something that these are usually made out of?&#13;
ST: Probably, I am not sure about them being cloth.&#13;
WV: Or, cloth... what else do you make rugs out of? [LAUGHTER]. I clearly don't know much about rugs. Um, yeah. That's just about all the questions that I've got. So thanks again for being willing to meet with us. And I think we're good.&#13;
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WV: Sure.&#13;
ST: Yeah?&#13;
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CACHE VALLEY REFUGEE ORAL HISTORY PROJECT&#13;
TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET&#13;
Interviewee(s): Seltene Gebreselasie Gebretinsa&#13;
Present: Seltene Gebreselasie Gebretinsa, Hilary Warner-Evans, Berhane Debesai&#13;
Abraha, Heidi Williams, Megan Olsan&#13;
Place of Interview: Logan Public Library, Logan, Utah&#13;
Date of Interview: May 16, 2015&#13;
Language(s): Tigrinya&#13;
Translation:&#13;
Interviewer: Hilary Warner-Evans&#13;
Interpreter: Berhane Debesai Abraha&#13;
Recordist: Heidi Williams&#13;
Photographer: Magen Olsen&#13;
Recording Equipment: Tascam DR-100mk11 linear PCM recorder; Senal ENG-18RL&#13;
broadcast-quality omnidirectional dynamic microphone&#13;
Transcription Equipment: Express Scribe with PowerPlayer foot pedal.&#13;
Transcribed by: Susan Gross, May 22, 2015&#13;
Transcript Proofed by: Hilary Warner-Evans, May 24, 2015&#13;
Brief Description of Contents: Seltene Gebreselasie Gebretinsa tells about his birthplace in Eritrea, a little bit about&#13;
his family and his religion. He talks about his 11 year service in the army as an impetus to flee his country and&#13;
become a refugee. He discusses his journey as a refugee, first in Malta, and the process to eventually come to the&#13;
United States. He talks about adjusting to living in the United States, from taking classes to learn English and&#13;
working to support himself. He talks about his wife and children he left behind, and his hopes of being able to have&#13;
them join him in the United States.&#13;
Reference: HW = Hilary Warner-Evans&#13;
HWI = Hilary Warner-Evans’ words interpreted by translator&#13;
SG = Seltene Gebreselasie Gebretinsa&#13;
SGGI: = Seltene Gebreselasie Gebretinsa’s words interpreted by translator&#13;
NOTE: The interview was conducted with the assistance of a live translator, Berhane Debesai&#13;
Abraha. The interpreter was there for the whole period. False starts, pauses, or transitions in&#13;
dialogue such as “uh” and starts and stops in conversations are not included in transcript. All&#13;
additions and added information to transcript are noted with brackets.&#13;
TAPE TRANSCRIPTION&#13;
Cache&#13;
Valley&#13;
Refugee&#13;
Oral&#13;
History&#13;
Project:&#13;
Seltene&#13;
Gebreselasie&#13;
Gebretinsa&#13;
Page&#13;
2&#13;
[00:01]&#13;
HWE: Okay, it is May 16th, 2015. This is Hilary Warner-Evans interviewing Seltene&#13;
Gebreselasie Gebretinsa.&#13;
SGG: Yeah.&#13;
HWE: And he is a member of the Eritrean community here, in Logan, Utah. We are at the Logan&#13;
Public Library, in the Temple Fork Room. And Berhane Debesai Abraha is translating&#13;
into Tigrinya. And also present are Heidi Williams, recording, and Magen Olsen, doing&#13;
photography.&#13;
Can you – we’ve actually already gone over part of this – but can you give me your full&#13;
name and your birth year?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: His birthday is January 1, 1975.&#13;
[Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: And his name is Seltene Gebreselasie.&#13;
HWE: Okay. And can you tell me about your family?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Okay, no problem; I can tell you about my family: I was born in east Africa, in Eritrea,&#13;
and my father is Gebreselasie Gebretinsa. Okay.&#13;
SGG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: And I was born in southern zone, it’s called Zoba Debub in Tigrinya, and the place he&#13;
was born in Segeneiti – it’s a small village.&#13;
[Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: It’s around 70 kilometers south of the capital city Asmara.&#13;
Cache&#13;
Valley&#13;
Refugee&#13;
Oral&#13;
History&#13;
Project:&#13;
Seltene&#13;
Gebreselasie&#13;
Gebretinsa&#13;
Page&#13;
3&#13;
SGG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: I was born and raised in Segeneiti, and when my age reached 18, I went for National&#13;
Service.&#13;
SGG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: And I have been in the army for around 11 years, and life was not comfortable for me.&#13;
And I just left the country and moved some other place.&#13;
HWE: Do you have any brothers or sisters?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yes.&#13;
[Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, he has one sister, and there are four boys. Aand there was another brother –&#13;
[Speaking in Tigrinya to interviewee.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, he died in the war with Ethiopia before 1994 – the War of Liberation with&#13;
Ethiopian’s army; he died in the struggle.&#13;
HWE: And are you the only member of your family here, in the United States?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, he’s the only one.&#13;
HWE: What languages do you speak?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
Cache&#13;
Valley&#13;
Refugee&#13;
Oral&#13;
History&#13;
Project:&#13;
Seltene&#13;
Gebreselasie&#13;
Gebretinsa&#13;
Page&#13;
4&#13;
SGGI: He speaks Tigrinya.&#13;
HWE: And what ethnic or religious community do you consider yourself to be a part of?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: He is a Christian; he is a follower of Eritrean Orthodox Church.&#13;
HWE: Can you tell me a little bit about Eritrea?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[06:31]&#13;
SGGI: Eritrea is a beautiful and comfortable country to live, but at this time because of the&#13;
situation of the war and the political system, it’s not becoming favorable for the people to&#13;
live in it.&#13;
SGG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, at this time Eritrea is kind of in a war, so everybody is in the army for ten years or&#13;
more; so people cannot live their life, cannot support their family – so everybody is&#13;
leaving to help themself and to improve their life and the life of their family. So that’s&#13;
why I move out of the country: in search of a good life, and better life.&#13;
HWE: How long did you live in Eritrea?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: He was living in Eritrea starting the date of his birth, 1975, up to 2008.&#13;
HWE: Can you tell me about the experience of leaving?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, I am married and I have two children; since I was in the army I cannot support&#13;
them, I cannot do anything. And it was for a long time. So I want to improve my life and&#13;
my family’s lives. And I leave Eritrea to the Sudan’s border; then from Sudan he went to&#13;
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Libya, through the desert there. He crosses the Mediterranean to Malta; and from Malta&#13;
he came to the United States.&#13;
HWE: Did you spend any time in a camp while you were coming over?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: He was in Malta from 2008, up to 2012, under the Refugee Commission.&#13;
HWE: What was it like being with the Refugee Commission in Malta?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: So Malta’s refugee camp was kind of good, because you are free to move out. So he was&#13;
not in the camp, he was working in Malta –&#13;
[Speaking to interviewee in Tigrinya]&#13;
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SGGI: He was working with some farmers on the farm. So while he was a refugee, until he&#13;
comes to the United States, he was working earning money, and he was supporting his&#13;
family and himself. So they didn’t have anything to worry in Malta, because they could&#13;
work and they were working.&#13;
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HWE: So how did you – when you were working on a farm back in Eritrea.&#13;
HWEI: Eritrea.&#13;
HWE: Right?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, I was born in a farming family, so I was raised with them – so I was working on a&#13;
farm.&#13;
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HWE: Can you talk about the food or the medical care that you received when you were in the&#13;
refugee camp in Malta?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Okay, in the refugee camp in Malta, for the first seven months we were under the&#13;
Refugee Commission until they finish all our registration and until they check and&#13;
double-check our information. So they were providing us food, the house was clean; they&#13;
give us shelter, clothes and bed. But after seven months, when they finish the registration&#13;
stuff, we were allowed to leave the camp and to work. So after that I was working and&#13;
earning money myself, and I was living by myself.&#13;
HWE: What kind of work did you do?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: He was working with the local farmers.&#13;
HWE: Okay.&#13;
SGGI: So they got a big farm. He was working with them.&#13;
HWE: How did you celebrate, like, holidays when you were living in the camp?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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SGGI: Okay, he say it was okay; Maltans, they have a lot of holidays – and we celebrate all&#13;
holidays with them. And their biggest holiday is Christmas, and we were celebrating it&#13;
with the people.&#13;
SGG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: And their second holiday was Easter, and we are celebrating it with them.&#13;
HWE: What kinds of things did you do for Christmas and Easter?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, he is saying he was so close with the family he was working with; they were kind&#13;
of parents for me. And for the purpose of work he was rented in front, close to them; so&#13;
most of the time, 25% of the time, he was celebrating the holiday with them.&#13;
HWE: And how did that differ from how you celebrated it back in your home country?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: It’s kind of the same – they didn’t have any difference.&#13;
HWE: Okay. So did you eat like any particular foods, or do anything particular?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: He said in Malta they kind of live in extended family, so most of the time on holidays&#13;
they don’t cook – they just go out all together. So since he was working with them, they&#13;
always take him with them, and they go out and order food and get it; they don’t cook at&#13;
all.&#13;
HWE: Okay. And did you do anything else besides go out to eat? Did you go to church or&#13;
anything like that?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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SGGI: Okay. In Malta they always go to church Saturday evening and Sunday morning. So the&#13;
church was close to my apartment, and I kind of know their language at that time – so I&#13;
used to go to their church.&#13;
HWE: Now was it like an Orthodox church?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: No, Catholic.&#13;
HWE: Okay.&#13;
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SGGI: It was a Catholic church.&#13;
HWE: So was that very different for you to go to a Catholic church, instead of Orthodox?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: He said for him it doesn’t make any difference because in his home town, tthe place he&#13;
grow up, the majority of the people are Catholics, and few are Orthodox; so he knows&#13;
what Catholic is, and their culture.&#13;
HWE: And in the camp – were there other people from Eritrea there?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: A lot.&#13;
HWE: Was that the majority of the people there?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: The majority of the refugees were Somalians and people from West Africa.&#13;
HWE: So did you end up celebrating at all with other people from your home country? Or did&#13;
you mostly just go with the people you were working for?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, he was saying the refugee’s holidays – they are always the same, so he was&#13;
celebrating it with the family he was working; but the public holidays – he was&#13;
celebrating them with the people from Eritrea.&#13;
HWE: What kinds of public holidays did you celebrate?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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SGGI: He said the religious holidays are the same, so he would sometime celebrate them with&#13;
the family he was working, but holidays like May 24th (that means it’s Eritrean&#13;
Independence Day) and June 20 (it’s kind of Memorial Day – we call it the Martyrs’&#13;
Day) – he was celebrating it with the Eritreans.&#13;
HWE: And how did you celebrate those holidays?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Most of the people – after they were allowed to leave the camp in war, they rented their&#13;
own apartment, so they would celebrate the whole island. So when there is holidays they&#13;
rent a big hall, and they prepare food and drinks, and they celebrate it together.&#13;
HWE: And what kinds of food and drinks did you have?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: For the foods they buy meat and some of them they prepare ingera, and they just make&#13;
food just like the way we do at home. And for the drink they just buy beer.&#13;
HWE: So for the meat would you get like a whole animal?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: So they were buying beef from groceries.&#13;
HWE: Okay. And did you get the beer from the grocery too?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.] [Laughs]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, that is the only way – you can buy it from groceries [laughs].&#13;
HWE: [Laughs]&#13;
So how did Malta feel about the refugees coming in from Eritrea?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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SGGI: Malta is a small island, its population is around half million, 500,000. So at first, when&#13;
the refugees come to their area, they didn’t like it because it’s a small country, and there&#13;
are a lot of refugees; but some time they get used to them, so they were friendly. Then&#13;
after they get their refugee status, American Immigration System, they came to them and&#13;
they give them asylum to the United States.&#13;
HWE: So did you feel safe when you were there?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: He says the country is so nice – it’s a free country, nobody talks to you, nobody even&#13;
asks, nobody stops you. But when they first arrived in Malta, the people they don’t like&#13;
them; sometimes even if they see another Eritrean or another refugee on the bus they just&#13;
leave the whole bus. But after some time they get used to them Then they didn’t care&#13;
anymore.&#13;
HWE: And how did you learn about the U.S. refugee program?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: There was a refugee office over there, a refugee commission office, so he go over there to&#13;
the office, and there are a lot of refugee places to go: Europe, Canada, America (or&#13;
United States of America), and Australia. You choose which area you want to go, you&#13;
just go and you settle with them and they take care of your process.&#13;
HWE: Okay, so you can choose which country you want to go to?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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SGGI: They ask you question and if you want to go to Germany, France, Holland (or the&#13;
Netherlands), Slovakia, and Hungary. I don’t want to go that places, so I tell them that I&#13;
am not going to these places and they give me opportunity to go to the United States.&#13;
HWE: And how did you apply to do that?&#13;
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HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, at that time, the United States were taking a lot of Eritrean refugees, so as soon as I&#13;
know the United States taking refugees, I went there and applied. And it took me around&#13;
seven years to process everything. And I did my interview and they gave me the&#13;
congratulation paper. That means they accepted him. And after that he came to the United&#13;
States.&#13;
HWE: So did someone in the office help you do that process, with all the paperwork and stuff?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, in their office they have a translator, a paid translator, so I go through the process.&#13;
In Malta at the Immigration Office you cannot do it the way we do it in Africa, because&#13;
in Africa you can bribe stuff like that, but in Malta you cannot do that; you have to go&#13;
through all the process. They provide you translator, and they check everything, your&#13;
background and other stuff. And when you pass everything they tell you when you come.&#13;
When you finish your immigration process, then when they approve you, you just come&#13;
to the United States.&#13;
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HWE: And can you tell me a little bit about the journey to the United States?&#13;
HWEI: You mean the airplane journey?&#13;
HWE: Yeah, or how you go from Malta to the U.S.?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Okay. So when all their process is done, when their flight is scheduled to show up in&#13;
Malta, the Refugee Commission – they took them to the airport; they put them in the&#13;
airplanes and they showed them their chair and they told them, “Good luck, have a nice&#13;
trip.” And from Malta, they fly to England for a transit. And in England some people&#13;
were waiting for them – and the same thing: these people, they took them to the next&#13;
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airplane, and they put them on the airplane (they same the thing), “Good luck, nice trip.”&#13;
And after that, from England they landed in New York.&#13;
HWE: And were there other Eritrean refugees going on the plane with you?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: There were four Eritreans and three Somalians on the plane.&#13;
HWE: So you came to New York first. Did you fly, then, directly from New York to Salt Lake?&#13;
Or did you spend time in another place in the U.S.?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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SGGI: Okay, when they come from Malta, their destination was not New York – it was Las&#13;
Vegas, Nevada; but they stayed two days in New York because the weather was bad.&#13;
Planes could not fly that day; so they stayed two days. Then after the weather got normal,&#13;
they flew to Las Vegas, Nevada, for their final destination. And he stayed three months in&#13;
Las Vegas.&#13;
[Speaking in Tigrinya to interviewee.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
HWE: What time of year was it when you were flying?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: It was December 7, 2012.&#13;
HWE: What were the first months like in Las Vegas?&#13;
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SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: He said, Las Vegas is okay, but I didn’t like it – it’s too hot. But I stayed there for three&#13;
months because he was going to English classes. After he finished the first three months&#13;
of the class, then he moved to – [speaking Tigrinya to interviewee]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: He moved to Logan.&#13;
HWE: Where were you taking English classes in Las Vegas?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: He was going to the Catholic school church, because this Catholic school – the Catholics,&#13;
they got an organization for the refugees (they help with their flight and other stuff). So&#13;
he was going there – it was for free. The first couple of months when you show up here,&#13;
you need to get your social security, you have to get your ID (that is a kind of work&#13;
permit). So I was waiting for the papers, but I decided to go to school instead of just&#13;
sitting and wait for the papers.&#13;
HWE: Were you there with other members of the Eritrean community?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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SGGI: When he come from Malta, he was with three other Eritreans (that means four of them),&#13;
so they were all assigned to Las Vegas. So four of them, they give them one house with&#13;
three bedrooms; so they were staying together for the first three months. And after three&#13;
months he moved to Logan.&#13;
HWE: And the others stayed in Las Vegas?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: They stayed there; they are still there.&#13;
HWE: What else was Las Vegas like, besides too hot?&#13;
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HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: He said Las Vegas has a lot of big building, beautiful places: hotels, houses and other&#13;
stuff – but it’s not like Utah; I didn’t like it. He can’t see a lot of stuff there.&#13;
HWE: So you were in like a more rural area when you were in Eritrea?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, he was more in a rural area. Then he moved to a small town.&#13;
HWE: How could your situation, when you first came to the United States, have been improved?&#13;
I mean, in terms of like the help you received.&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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SGGI: When they first showed up – the United States government helps us a lot: they do&#13;
whatever we need necessary. When we first show up they give us 1100 dollars each in&#13;
our hand, but we don’t know anybody in this country, so they ask the Refugee&#13;
Commission to rent house for them. So they help them to rent a house or apartment with&#13;
their money. And everyone, they were given – [speaking in Tigrinya to interviewee]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: [Speaking in Tigrinya to interviewee.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: They were giving them 350 dollars every month. They were assigned to take 350 for&#13;
eight months, but as soon as he moved in the third month he get 350 dollars every month&#13;
for the first three months. And he came to Logan, so they cut the money they were giving&#13;
him.&#13;
HWE: Oh. So when you decided to move to another place they stopped giving you the money?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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SGGI: He said you can take it – they don’t stop it, but most of the time if you got a job, I don’t&#13;
need any assistance. So thanks God when I moved here, I got a job, so I don’t want to&#13;
take money anymore.&#13;
HWE: Did you not have a job in Las Vegas?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: No.&#13;
HWE: Okay. How long have you lived in Logan?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Two years.&#13;
HWE: And where do you work?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: JBS Beef Company.&#13;
SGGI: JBS Beef Company in Hyrum.&#13;
HWE: What is like here?&#13;
HWEI: You mean work, or?&#13;
HWE: Work and just life in general in this area.&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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SGGI: He likes Utah – it’s a good place to live; I didn’t see any bad things here, so it’s a nice&#13;
place to live here.&#13;
HWE: Do you feel like you’re included in the Logan community?&#13;
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HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: This is a good place to live. Most of the time we spend our time at work, so he cannot say&#13;
anything about any other people; they cannot say they include me, they didn’t include&#13;
me, but every time we are at work and at home.&#13;
HWE: Do you live with other people here?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
HWE: Oh, you live on your own, right? You said that already.&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, he got two roommates.&#13;
HWE: Oh, okay. Okay, is there anything that you think would make you feel more at home&#13;
here?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
HWEI: [Speaking to interviewee in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: He said now I want to stay in America, so I am improving my life and I am looking for a&#13;
better opportunities. We are waiting for this country to grow up and for us to get more&#13;
opportunities.&#13;
HWE: How is living here different than living back home?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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SGGI: Life in America is so expensive, rent is expensive; you cannot live if you don’t have&#13;
work. And even though you are not going to live with anybody, everybody wants money.&#13;
Back home, life is not expensive; so, for example, if you don’t have any apartment to&#13;
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live, you can live with families, you can live with other people for some time; you can&#13;
share with everybody. But here you have to work hard and pay a lot of money for life.&#13;
HWE: How has it been renting an apartment or house?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: He said when I compare with Malta – In Malta I used to have my own one bedroom&#13;
apartment and that one bedroom includes everything: furniture, bed, kitchen utensils,&#13;
refrigerator, and everything – and he was paying only 150 dollar for it (150 Euros for it).&#13;
But here, rent is so expensive it’s just – cannot compare; it’s too expensive.&#13;
HWE: And what is your landlord like?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[50:29]&#13;
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we just write a money order or check, you just drop it. They don’t say anything; they&#13;
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community here?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
HWEI: [Speaking to interviewee in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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United States, because they know we got in trouble, so they are helping us: they are&#13;
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United States in Las Vegas when I came here, and they’re still helping me. But the state&#13;
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school, housing and other stuffs. So I appreciate the United States government for&#13;
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Seltene&#13;
Gebreselasie&#13;
Gebretinsa&#13;
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HWE: Would you go back to Eritrea if you were able to do that?&#13;
HWEI: You mean to visit, or just go back entirely?&#13;
HWE: Both, I guess.&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[54:07]&#13;
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HWE: So you said earlier you had a wife and two kids in Eritrea?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, I have a wife and two kids.&#13;
HWE: Are you still in communication with them?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, I call them.&#13;
HWE: Do you send them money?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah.&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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Oral&#13;
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Seltene&#13;
Gebreselasie&#13;
Gebretinsa&#13;
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SGGI: Yeah, I am the sole helper of the [???] community.&#13;
HWE: Do they have any plans to come join you here?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, I applied for them to join me here, and the immigration system (or the Visa center),&#13;
they approved my application – they even called them for interview, but my children,&#13;
they are so small so I cannot take them out safely, so I don’t want to expose them in&#13;
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HWE: How old are your children?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: The boy is ten and the girl is eight.&#13;
HWE: What are you most proud of, in terms of having come here?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[57:42]&#13;
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opportunities if you think hard and work hard you can do whatever you want to do: you&#13;
can go to school – you can work and go to school. So the only thing you need to do here&#13;
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HWE: What are your dreams for the future?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.] [High pitched feedback noise begins 58:29]&#13;
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months; and now he is going to the English school. So he his plans now is to work in the&#13;
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Refugee&#13;
Oral&#13;
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Seltene&#13;
Gebreselasie&#13;
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HWE: What, specifically, would you like to have change in your life after you learn English?&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.] [High pitched feedback ends 59:45]&#13;
[60:00]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, I never went to school when I was back home, so I didn’t have education&#13;
background. So the reason I am going to school now is I don’t want to be illiterate,&#13;
because I will try to read and do his stuff on his own. And when his children show up (or&#13;
when they come to the United States) he just wants to help them [high pitched feedback&#13;
noise begins 60:20 when they are in school and other stuff, because he needs to learn the&#13;
language. If he don’t know the language, he cannot help his own.&#13;
HWE: I think that might be about it; do you guys have anything you want to ask? [To other&#13;
fieldworkers] No? Okay. Is there anything that we haven’t asked you that you think we&#13;
should know? [to interviewee]&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.] [end feedback noise 61:34, begins again at 61:47 and&#13;
continues to end]&#13;
[End part 1 of 2 – 62:05]&#13;
[Part 2 of 2 – 00:01]&#13;
[high pitched feedback noise from beginning]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: He saying when they come to the United States when they are in Malta, they gave them&#13;
three days course how the United States government works and everything. And they told&#13;
them, “If you guys are married, your family will follow you here between six to eight&#13;
months. If you are not married, [end feedback noise at 00:37] and if you plan to come&#13;
back some countries can get married and take them to the United States, if better if you&#13;
become a citizenship, then it will be easier.” But his wife is in Ethiopia now, his children&#13;
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HWE: Okay. I think this concludes our interview. Thanks for agreeing to meet with me. And we&#13;
do have like a release form to put the interview into the Archives at USU, and also, I&#13;
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Oral&#13;
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Project:&#13;
Seltene&#13;
Gebreselasie&#13;
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21&#13;
think, [high pitched feedback noise begins 01:40 and continues to end] for it to be used in&#13;
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Thursday that I will tell you more about.&#13;
HWEI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
SGGI: Yeah, no problem; he will sign your paper.&#13;
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CACHE VALLEY REFUGEE ORAL HISTORY PROJECT&#13;
TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET&#13;
Interviewee: Pyo Nwe&#13;
Present: Pyo Nwe, Bethany Hanks, Chit Moe, Wes Van de Water, Meagan&#13;
Gill&#13;
Place of Interview: Pyo Nwe’s home in Logan, Utah&#13;
Date of Interview: May 18, 2015&#13;
Language(s): Karen; English&#13;
Translation:&#13;
Interviewer: Bethany Hanks&#13;
Interpreter: Chit Moe&#13;
Recordist: Wes Van de Water&#13;
Photographer: Meagan Gill&#13;
Recording Equipment: Tascam DR-100mk11 linear PCM recorder; Senal ENG-&#13;
18RL broadcast-quality omnidirectional dynamic&#13;
microphone&#13;
Transcription Equipment: Express Scribe&#13;
Transcribed by: Bethany Hanks, May 24, 2015&#13;
Transcript Proofed by: Bethany Hanks, May 25, 2015&#13;
Brief Description of Contents: Pyo Nwe describes her life in a Karen refugee camp&#13;
before she came to the United States. She explains what brought her to the Karen refugee&#13;
camp and what it was like living there, getting married there, and having children there.&#13;
She also describes the changes and difficulties that she and her family faced (and still&#13;
face) when they left the refugee camp and came to the United States.&#13;
Reference: BH = Bethany Hanks&#13;
BHI = Bethany Hanks interpreted by translator&#13;
PN = Pyo Nwe&#13;
PNI = Pyo Nwe interpreted by translator&#13;
WV = Wes Van de Water&#13;
WVI = Wes Van de Water interpreted by translator&#13;
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TAPE TRANSCRIPTION&#13;
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BH: Okay, today is May 18, 2015. And this is Bethany Hanks with Wes Van de Water&#13;
on audio and Meagan Gill taking photographs. We’re all students at Utah State&#13;
University and are working on a project called “Voices: Refugees in Cache&#13;
Valley.” Right now we’re visiting Pyo Nwe at her home in Logan, Utah. And her&#13;
little son is with us, who is 8 months old, and Chit Moe is translating.&#13;
So, first we want to thank you Pyo Nwe for letting us come and speak with you.&#13;
So first, um, can I have you say your full name and birth year?&#13;
PN: Pyo Nwe Nwe&#13;
BH: Pyo Nwe Nwe?&#13;
PN: January 1st, 1978.&#13;
BH: Thank you.&#13;
PNI: Date of birth, January 1st, 1978.&#13;
BH: Okay, thank you. And what languages do you speak?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [laughs]&#13;
[responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: I speak Karen and Burmese.&#13;
BH: Thank you. Can you tell me a little about your family?&#13;
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BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: In Utah, or?&#13;
BH: Um, if you can talk about maybe your family here in Utah and also if you have&#13;
family over in Karen too?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
[2:07]&#13;
[Baby breathing loudly]&#13;
PNI: Um, my family, we all lived in refugee camps and then we all moved to Utah,&#13;
which is, we were in Salt Lake and we came in March 3rd, 2008.&#13;
[2:25]&#13;
[Baby makes noises]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: We lived there for one year in Salt Lake City, and we moved here in 2009, and&#13;
we’ve been here ever since.&#13;
BH: He likes the microphone, doesn’t he?&#13;
[laughs]&#13;
So the refugee camp where you were at – where was that exactly?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: It is called Mela Camp.&#13;
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BH: Mela Camp? And do you have any idea where the location of that is in Thailand?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: We didn’t know. It is close to the border, and I know that it’s in Thailand, but I&#13;
don’t know whether it’s the south or which states or province it’s in. We just&#13;
know that it’s a refugee camp.&#13;
BH: Okay, and did you say how long you were there for?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: 1997 to 2008.&#13;
PNI: From 1997 to 2008.&#13;
BH: Wow, so then did you grow up quite a lot in this refugee camp?&#13;
BHI: Like, did she grow up in refugee camp?&#13;
BH: Yeah, like there as a young child and maybe as a teenager.&#13;
PN: Yeah, teenager.&#13;
BH: Yeah?&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: Yes, I was sixteen years old back then.&#13;
BH: Okay. What was it like for you, being there as a young person in the refugee&#13;
camp?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
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PNI: Well, at first I lived in Burma. I was poor – my family was poor, and from what I&#13;
heard, refugee is a better place than Burma. At refugee camp they have school,&#13;
and their schooling is free. So I decided to go to refugee camp for education&#13;
purposes.&#13;
BH: Okay, so what kinds of education did they offer in the refugee camp?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: Well, the education in the refugee camp was – it’s not so great like in America,&#13;
but it’s better than Burma though.&#13;
[5:59]&#13;
[Baby breathes loudly]&#13;
BH: Okay, what kinds of things did you learn in the refugee camp?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: I don’t know if I learned much in the refugee camp because at first, coming to a&#13;
refugee camp was to study—&#13;
[Baby makes noises]&#13;
—but then, things changes, you know. Different circumstances occurred, and it&#13;
just changes.&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: And I didn’t get to learn.&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
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PNI: However, I did help out the school and the teachers with a few things; just helping&#13;
out for a few years.&#13;
BH: Okay. Did you have any brothers or sisters with you, or your parents?&#13;
PN: Yeah, [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: I have three brothers, I mean –&#13;
PN: Three sisters.&#13;
PNI: – three sisters. One is in Thailand and the other is in Burma, in Karen State.&#13;
BH: Okay, we’ll get him some toys huh; let him play.&#13;
[laughs]&#13;
So are your siblings, are they still, you said in Thailand and Burma? Are they still&#13;
over there? Yeah? So, they weren’t in the refugee camp with you? Or –&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
[8:47]&#13;
PNI: No, they didn’t live with me in the refugee camp, but my older sister (the one&#13;
that’s in Thailand) she has a daughter who has a disease, and in order to cure the&#13;
disease, there isn’t a hospital in the refugee camp. There is, but it’s not very big.&#13;
So, they had to go to Thailand to work over there and to get her daughter the cure.&#13;
BH: Do you remember much about your life before being in the refugee camp?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: Yeah, a lot.&#13;
BH: Yeah? What kinds of things do you remember?&#13;
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PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: Well, I remember lots of things, but which one are you wanting to know more&#13;
about?&#13;
BH: Yeah, let’s see, I guess things about your family – maybe your daily, kind of what&#13;
life would have been like for you on just a regular day? Or maybe like the sort of&#13;
the political situation, if it was dangerous at all.&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: [speaking in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
[11:53]&#13;
PNI: Well, I do remember like from 1989 or 1990, well – not before 1990. I think I was&#13;
about 9 or 10 years old back then. We had, like I said, three sisters, and I lived&#13;
with my parents. Well, my biggest goal was to go to school you know, to have a&#13;
better school for me. Back then it was really difficult because the Burmese&#13;
military were coming and forcing people to become porters, and my dad was one&#13;
of them. After he has gone to do the porter thing, and then he lost his leg, like&#13;
during the war, and he couldn’t work any more after that. It was a really&#13;
challenging for my family. After a few months or a few days (I can’t remember)&#13;
my older sister, she kind of left us and she went to Thailand.&#13;
BH: Wow, thank you. So was education, then, I know you said – you mentioned&#13;
education earlier, and you wanted to get a better education. Were there other&#13;
reasons for relocating to the refugee camp?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: Yes, I wanted to go to school like really bad back then. In my village, my family&#13;
was the poorest out of everybody, and then in order to go to school there we had&#13;
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to have like a good umbrella, good shoes, good clothes – and my parents, they&#13;
couldn’t afford to buy any of that. And I kind of felt embarrassed, I mean, to go to&#13;
school there, so I though it’d be better to go to school in a refugee camp where&#13;
everything is free, you know. But then when I got to the refugee camp, I got&#13;
married – so I didn’t really get to go to school.&#13;
BH: So you met your husband, then, in the refugee camp? What was that like? Was&#13;
that a good place, I guess, to meet lots of people?&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
[15:33]&#13;
PNI: I think it’s a good place to meet with lots of people, but back then I was kind of&#13;
young. I was still young, and I had lots of thoughts: there isn’t anyone to support&#13;
me; my family isn’t here either.&#13;
[Baby makes spitting noise]&#13;
I guess that’s how I though about getting married you know – to find my&#13;
companion who, we can maybe support each other now. It’s just the thought that&#13;
came by.&#13;
BH: Very neat. So, your husband in here with you now? Did you all come over, did&#13;
you leave the refugee camp together? Yeah?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: Yes.&#13;
BH: How difficult was it to, I guess, go through the process of coming to another&#13;
country? Was that difficult or was it fairly easy?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: Well, in Burma, it’s difficult there.&#13;
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In Thailand it’s the same thing. And here it’s still difficult.&#13;
BH: Yeah?&#13;
PNI: I don’t think that’s answering your question. Everywhere is difficult.&#13;
BH: Uh-huh. So, I guess, another way to ask would be is it difficult to gain entry as a&#13;
refugee into the United States?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[phone buzzes]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
[Baby coughs]&#13;
PN: Sorry.&#13;
BH: Oh, that’s okay.&#13;
[17:58]&#13;
[Pyo Nwe moves play set nearby]&#13;
Children like to be active, I know. I have nieces and nephews, and they’re, yeah.&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: I think it’s a fairly easy process to get to United States, you know, compared to&#13;
people who came here with visa or other things. Because we were refugees, then&#13;
it was easier.&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: To get here, we received lots of help, you know. People helped us step by step to&#13;
get here.&#13;
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BH: Okay, thank you. So in the refugee camps, did they celebrate any holidays or have&#13;
any special religious days?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: Yeah, there are.&#13;
BH: Yeah, like, can you give us an example of one of those special holidays and&#13;
maybe how it was celebrated?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
[19:49]&#13;
PNI: The biggest thing would be, we have Karen New Year, and we have Burmese&#13;
New Year. For Karen New Year, in the beginning we had like a – I would say like&#13;
camp leaders, lots of leaders, you know. They will go up on the stage and just&#13;
give speeches.&#13;
BH: Wow.&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: Yeah, Karen has it’s own culture, and Burmese has its own culture.&#13;
BH: So, what’s the main difference, I guess, between Karen New Year and Burmese&#13;
New Year?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: Because I’m not as – I guess, I don’t have a good experience, like such leaders,&#13;
but what I can tell is that for Burmese New Year, they celebrate it on April. For&#13;
Karen, they do it on December.&#13;
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BH: Okay, so it’s mainly the time then.&#13;
[Baby coughs]&#13;
Wow. Thank you.&#13;
[baby makes noises]&#13;
So, when you were in the refugee camp, did you get any idea of what the people&#13;
in Thailand thought of the refugees in the camps?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
[Baby coughs]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: Well, I don’t know about other people, but for me, you know, I was really scared&#13;
of the Thai military. Thai, yeah. Because back then if we had, say we have a&#13;
meeting, say don’t go out of the camp today, then I will never go out of the camp&#13;
because if the Thai military captures you, they will send you somewhere else.&#13;
Another example is my husband who worked outside the camp –&#13;
[Baby coughs]&#13;
He was chased by Thai military lots of times, but fortunately he escaped every&#13;
single time he was chased.&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: What makes me more scared is that when I went back to Thailand one day, I saw&#13;
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people to – I don’t know where they were taking them, but they were capturing&#13;
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they sneak out or something, and then they’re captured by Thai military and taken&#13;
somewhere else?&#13;
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PNI: Yeah, I think it –&#13;
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Ooh.&#13;
BH: Oh no, is he okay?&#13;
[Baby cries]&#13;
PN: Oh.&#13;
BH: Is he okay?&#13;
[Baby cries]&#13;
Head bonk.&#13;
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PN: Sorry.&#13;
BH: Oh, that’s okay.&#13;
PNI: He wants to sleep now. He’s feeling sleepy. Well, I don’t know about now, but&#13;
back fourteen years ago, I would say it happened a lot because I have seen it&#13;
myself. I lived close to the Thai military gate, I guess, their area, I kind of lived&#13;
close to where they lived, and what I saw was there was this –&#13;
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– there was this woman, I would say&#13;
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PNI: Sorry.&#13;
BH: That’s okay&#13;
PNI: Okay, what happened was this Thai military guy – he went out, he found a&#13;
woman, he took her to the camp, not to the camp but to their place, and I lived&#13;
really close to it. And they were doing some horrible things to her, I think. I heard&#13;
the noise and everything, but I couldn’t help. I was so scared. So, I think it&#13;
happened a lot.&#13;
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PNI: Well, at the same time, not all the Thai military are bad. Some are really good&#13;
people as well. I remember when I was pregnant, I saw Thai military who was&#13;
actually helping me with stuff, you know. He bought me food, so that was really&#13;
nice.&#13;
BH: Did you had some children while you were in the refugee camp.&#13;
PN: Four.&#13;
[laughs]&#13;
BH: Four?&#13;
PNI: She has four.&#13;
BH: So, four. So, this one with you, he is number four?&#13;
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um, places where you know, there was a doctor around to help you give birth?&#13;
And then you know, raising the children in the refugee camp?&#13;
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PNI: Yeah, there were hospitals in the refugee camps. If I were pregnant – if I were&#13;
close to giving birth, I could go to hospital and give birth there. But what’s sad is&#13;
that, like, my sister or people who lived in Burma, they, there was no way they&#13;
could afford to go to the hospital in Burma, so it was kind of sad.&#13;
BH: Yeah.&#13;
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PNI: I think, personally for me, I had a better life than my sisters had.&#13;
[28:30]&#13;
BH: How different is it now, raising a child here in America compared with in the&#13;
refugee camp?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
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PNI: Well, before –&#13;
[Baby touches microphone]&#13;
– in the refugee camp, yeah, it was different raising a child compared to here and&#13;
in the refugee camp. Back there, I had four kids, my husband would go out and&#13;
work, and if he finds a job then he will bring us some money so we can buy good&#13;
food, good meal. But here, it’s like, he has a job, and it’s better than the refugee&#13;
camp, but here we have a different situation I guess. I’ve been here for seven&#13;
years, and I wanted to go to school, but because of a bad situation I just can’t go&#13;
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BH: Is there anything that would help you be able to go to school here in the United&#13;
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PNI: Well, before I was pregnant here in United States, I had a teacher, you know. She&#13;
would come and visit me and teach me English. So that was really nice, but she&#13;
moved to Colorado long ago. But now, I don’t expect to go to high school or&#13;
middle school. It’s not something I can handle; I know that very well. But I would&#13;
like a teacher who could come and teach me, because now that my children are&#13;
growing up, I have time to study; learn more English.&#13;
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BH: He’s cute. So I wanted to ask, although it sounds like you may have answered my&#13;
question already, but given the chance to go to school, what would you study?&#13;
Although it sounds like English is something that you would really like to learn,&#13;
but is there anything else?&#13;
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PNI: Well no. English is the main thing that I want to learn. However, I do want to&#13;
learn a lot of English so I can communicate on a daily basis. Let’s say if someone&#13;
were to ask me a question, so that I know the answer to that question, or I&#13;
understand that question so I can answer it.&#13;
BH: Mm-hmm. Yeah, so do you think learning English would make living in America&#13;
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PNI: Well, yeah, I think if I could understand a lot, but not a hundred percent, then I&#13;
guess it would help a lot, you know. Though it’s not a hundred percent, it would&#13;
help a lot.&#13;
BH: Yeah.&#13;
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PNI: And at the same time, my brain is not as good as American people, so it’s not like&#13;
I can really learn English. It’s not like I can learn English like a hundred percent,&#13;
does that make sense?&#13;
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BH: I think if I understand what she’s meaning, you can translate it back and make&#13;
sure I’ve got this right, but, it’s difficult once you’re an adult and you’ve already&#13;
learned—&#13;
PNI: Mmm, yeah.&#13;
BH: one language—&#13;
PN: Yeah.&#13;
BH: it’s harder to learn another.&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
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PNI: Yeah.&#13;
BH: Because I think the situation would be – if we were to go to Karen, I think we&#13;
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PNI: Yeah, when I had a teacher, you know the one that moved to Colorado, back then,&#13;
I think I understood English, a lot, I guess. I understood English more than what I&#13;
understand now. Right now, I think I forgot lots of it, yeah.&#13;
PN: [laughs]&#13;
BH: Yeah. So, your first few months after leaving the refugee camp, you came to&#13;
America. What was that like for you and your family?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: Yeah, I think it was kind of a little bit challenging. When me and my family first&#13;
came to America, there weren’t a lot of Karen people, and we really didn’t know&#13;
a lot about America I guess. Well, at first, people were giving us those apple juice&#13;
– we thought it was oil, so we didn’t want to touch it. And then when they gave us&#13;
lotion, we didn’t know what it is, so we use it for our face because it smells nice,&#13;
right? If we wanted to say something, there weren’t any interpreters back then.&#13;
And if we wanted to go buy groceries, we didn’t even know where to go.&#13;
BH: Wow. So, what did you end up doing when you needed to buy groceries? Did you&#13;
end up – was there someone around who was also from Karen who helped?&#13;
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PNI: Yeah, it wasn’t Karen people that helped my family. There weren’t many Karen&#13;
people like I said. It was people from the church. They pretty much helped us&#13;
with everything, I guess. Taking us to the hospital, you know, taking us to go&#13;
shopping, buying us stuff – yeah, from the church.&#13;
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PNI: Oh, yeah, what I remember is that my oldest daughter – she had like a tooth pain&#13;
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bottom.&#13;
BH: Oh no.&#13;
PNI: But that one had cavities so it was okay, but the one that hurts was the one on top.&#13;
BH: So, it was on the top left?&#13;
PNI: Yeah, top.&#13;
BH: And he took out the bottom left.&#13;
PNI: The bottom left.&#13;
BH: Okay.&#13;
PN: [laughs]&#13;
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PNI: I had to take my daughter to the hospital again to take the other one out, the upper&#13;
left one.&#13;
BH: How did you communicate that with the dentist, or the man who was working on&#13;
her mouth?&#13;
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PNI: We were just using, I guess, sign language – kind of this, that. But we had people&#13;
from the church, like one person who took us to the dentist, but back then there&#13;
was no interpreters, so we can’t tell him what was going on. We just tried to show&#13;
him this and that.&#13;
BH: Yeah, with your hands?&#13;
PNI: Yeah, all without sound.&#13;
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PNI: I didn’t know it either, that she had a tooth that was hurt, but my daughter just&#13;
told me that it hurts. But thought the doctor already took, it was the one on the&#13;
bottom already, but it still hurts.&#13;
BH: So, this church that you mention that helped you? Is this the church that you, or&#13;
the religion that you take part of?&#13;
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PNI: It’s not my religion, that church, but they have a lot of people, you know. It&#13;
doesn’t matter whether you’re that – whether you come from that religion or not.&#13;
And they help a lot of Burmese and Karen refugees.&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: Yeah, everybody who’s a refugee doesn’t know anything. So they help with&#13;
everybody I guess.&#13;
[Phone starts ringing]&#13;
BH: Is that you’re phone—no?&#13;
PN: [speaking in Karen]&#13;
PNI: It’s a broken phone.&#13;
BH: Oh.&#13;
[laughs]&#13;
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BH: Oh, okay.&#13;
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BH: Okay.&#13;
[laughs]&#13;
BH: So, do you remember what the name of that church was?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
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PNI: No, but it’s in Salt Lake. It’s the LDS church.&#13;
BH: Okay.&#13;
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PNI: It’s around 300 East.&#13;
BH: Okay, in Salt Lake City?&#13;
PNI: Yeah, in Salt Lake City.&#13;
BH: Okay.&#13;
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PNI: I think until today, they’re still helping people who are other refugees.&#13;
BH: Okay. Let me see.&#13;
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he do?&#13;
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PNI: He works at JBS. He cuts meat. That’s what he does – JBS, yeah.&#13;
BH: Okay. And I think—so you mentioned in the refugee camps, your husband would&#13;
have to leave the camp to work? Was there like a specific job that he had? Or was&#13;
he leaving the camp to find a job?&#13;
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PNI: Yeah, he had to look for work, you know, in the refugee camp – outside of&#13;
refugee camp, I mean.&#13;
BH: Wow.&#13;
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PNI: Yeah, it just really depends on the day. So, one day you find a job, then you get&#13;
paid. One day, if you can’t find a job, then you don’t get paid.&#13;
BH: So what kinds of jobs could be found in that way? What sorts of work could he&#13;
find?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
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PNI: Well, if it’s around May, then he would work as a, like in a cornfield, where he&#13;
has some kind of corn.&#13;
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BH: Whatever was available? Those kinds of things.&#13;
PNI: Yeah.&#13;
BH: Okay. Let’s see. Is there anything that you wish that the people of Logan knew&#13;
about you or your family? Or kind of your culture in general?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
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PNI: Well, I guess I don’t know, you know because, my family we’re from refugees,&#13;
you know, and we didn’t know about America a lot. And today we still don’t&#13;
know a lot about Americans I guess. We just kind of need help, you know. That’s&#13;
basically what she just said.&#13;
BH: Okay, so it’d be good if we could all find a way maybe to learn more about each&#13;
other, yeah?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: Yeah, sometimes, I don’t know, if we’re in trouble or something – we just don’t&#13;
know what to do. We just kind of need a guide, I guess.&#13;
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PNI: Yeah, we’re just kind of a little scared and don’t understand a lot here, so it would&#13;
be nice just to get help.&#13;
BH: Okay, I think I have – I have one more question. Do you think you will ever go&#13;
back to Burma, to Karen State?&#13;
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PNI: Yeah, I guess I would want to go back and visit Burma, but I’m not a hundred&#13;
percent sure if I want to go back and live there permanently, you know. Yeah, I&#13;
just don’t have any plans yet for that.&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: At the same time, I’m not a hundred percent sure if I want to live in the United&#13;
States forever either. So yeah, I’m just not planning yet.&#13;
BH: Mm-hmm.&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: And the other reason for me to be staying here is for my children. They have a&#13;
better education here.&#13;
BH: I guess just one question going off of that – do you think you would ever want&#13;
your son here, who was born in America, do you think you would want him to see&#13;
the land where you came from and know that people and that language?&#13;
BHI: [repeating question in Karen]&#13;
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PNI: Yeah, like I said, I grew up as a refugee, and I wanted to go back to school but I&#13;
couldn’t. But now I’m here in United States. I want to give my children the&#13;
opportunity to go to school here, graduate, you know – have a better education&#13;
here. After then, I would like them to go back to Burma and help out other people&#13;
you know, to tell them what they learned; to give back to the people in Burma.&#13;
PN: [responding in Karen]&#13;
PNI: For me, I want to help my people you know, but I can’t. I know I can’t. But for&#13;
my children, yeah, sure they can one day.&#13;
BH: Well thank you. I think that’s all of my questions, but I want to see if either Wes&#13;
or Meagan – if they have any questions they’d like to ask, if that’s okay?&#13;
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WV: I guess I was kind of curious, if you’re not LDS – and I notice you have a picture&#13;
of the Logan temple up on the wall – what is your religious background if you’re&#13;
not LDS?&#13;
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PNI: Well, back to the refugee camp, I was Buddhist. My whole family was Buddhist.&#13;
But here, me, my husband and –&#13;
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– and my oldest daughter, us three – we converted to LDS.&#13;
WV: Okay&#13;
BH: Okay&#13;
PNI: We already have, yeah.&#13;
PN: [speaking in Karen]&#13;
PNI: So I guess there are like four more left in my family, still isn’t LDS.&#13;
PN: [speaks in Karen]&#13;
PNI: Well, what I want to say is that it all depends on my daughters I guess. It doesn’t&#13;
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PNI: For me, I chose it myself, to become LDS. It was my decision.&#13;
BH: Okay, any other questions? No? Well thank you. So I think that’s the end of our&#13;
interview. It is, it’s 11:58 AM, I don’t know if I mentioned, the starting time was&#13;
about 11:04 or 11:05. So thank you, Pyo Nwe, and your little son. So, thanks to&#13;
both of you.&#13;
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