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CACHE VALLEY REFUGEE ORAL HISTORY PROJECT&#13;
TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET&#13;
Interviewee(s): Kahsaoy Berhe Gebremedhin&#13;
Present: Magen Olsen, Kahsaoy Berhe Gebremedhin, Berhane, Hilary Warner-&#13;
Evans, Heidi Williams&#13;
Place of Interview:&#13;
Date of Interview: May 23, 2015&#13;
Language(s): Tigrinya&#13;
Translation:&#13;
Interviewer: Magen Olsen&#13;
Interpreter: Berhane&#13;
Recordist: Heidi Williams&#13;
Photographer: Hilary Warner-Evans&#13;
Recording Equipment: Tascam DR-100mk11 linear PCM recorder; Senal ENG-18RL&#13;
broadcast-quality omnidirectional dynamic microphone&#13;
Transcription Equipment: Express Scribe with PowerPlayer foot pedal.&#13;
Transcribed by: Susan Gross, May 26, 2015&#13;
Transcript Proofed by:&#13;
Brief Description of Contents: Mr. Kahsaoy Berhe Gebremedhin talks about his life in Eritrea,&#13;
his family, and escaping to Ethiopia as a refugee. He talks about his time spent at Shimelba&#13;
refugee camp in Ethiopia, and the process he followed to come to the United States as a refugee.&#13;
He discusses life in America, his current job and his dream to have a farm.&#13;
Reference: MO = Magen Olsen&#13;
MOI = Magen Olsen’s words interpreted by translator&#13;
KG = Kahsaoy Berhe Gebremedhin&#13;
KGI = Kahsaoy Berhe Gebremedhin’s words interpreted by translator&#13;
NOTE: [You will have to modify this as appropriate—whether using CommGap or in-person&#13;
interpreter.] The interview was conducted with CommGap Interpretive Services; the interpreter&#13;
joined the interview via a cell phone. False starts, pauses, or transitions in dialogue such as “uh”&#13;
and starts and stops in conversations are not included in transcript. All additions and added&#13;
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MO: Alright; we are here, it is – of course we are here – it is Saturday [laughing], ten o’clock&#13;
in the morning, May 23rd, 2015. It’s raining today for about the 100th day –&#13;
??: In a row.&#13;
MO: [Laughing] It seems like it’s been rainy every, single day. We are here with Kahsaoy,&#13;
right?&#13;
KG: Yes.&#13;
MO: Who is a refugee from Eritrea; translating for him is Berhane. We have Hilary Warner-&#13;
Evans on the photography end of things, and Heidi Williams is recording and taking&#13;
some notes. And we’re going to go ahead and start.&#13;
So how are you doing today?&#13;
KG: Good.&#13;
MO: Good, good. Thanks for meeting with us, and for being willing to talk with us and share&#13;
some things about your experiences as a refugee, living in the United States.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: Thank you.&#13;
MO: So we’ll start with the first question is what is your full name and birth year?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: His name is Kahsaoy Berhe Gebremedhin; he was born in 1971.&#13;
MO: Okay. What languages do you speak?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: Tigrinya.&#13;
MO: That’s it?&#13;
KGI: He speaks Tigrinya.&#13;
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KG: Yes.&#13;
MO: Perfect. And tell me about your family?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Okay. [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I have three children here, in America, and I got five more back in Eritrea. I have one&#13;
brother here, in America, and I have six siblings back home.&#13;
MO: So do they – your family members – they all live here (who are in America)?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, yeah.&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, three of them they are here (the youngest ones) –&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: But he got five more in Africa, two of them are in the Ethiopia refugee camp – the rest&#13;
three are in Eritrea.&#13;
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MO: So that’s got to be hard, being all over?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, it’s still hard because people are everywhere; even it’s hard for me – some of them,&#13;
they are in the refugee camp, there is nothing over there – I have to send them money to&#13;
support family there. It’s kind of hard.&#13;
MO: What religion are you?&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He is Eritrean Orthodox Church.&#13;
MO: Okay, good. Can you tell me a bit about Eritrea, where you’re from?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Eritrea is a good place to live, but there is some problem – [speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah; he says it’s harder to [??] stuff it has to do with farming, and we don’t have a lot&#13;
and we don’t know anything about the life in the cities. So generally, the economy [??]&#13;
MO: Did you grow up on a farm then?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, they are all from –&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Farmer.&#13;
MO: What did you grow – animals, grain?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: We raise grains – we don’t have any technology, we plow the field by oxes; and when it&#13;
comes to harvesting season, we harvest it manually and with the help of animals. And we&#13;
also have animal harvest[??].&#13;
MO: Okay. So did you live in the – Berhane has talked about highlands and lowlands – did&#13;
you live in the highlands or the lowlands?&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He was living in the lowlands.&#13;
MO: Cool. How long did you live there? So how long have you been in the U.S., I guess?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He has been in American almost a year and eight months.&#13;
MO: Good.&#13;
KG: 2013.&#13;
KGI: He came here on 2013.&#13;
MO: Cool. Why did you leave Eritrea?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I was in the National Service [??] army, and I have a lot of children – nobody supporting&#13;
them behind me, and he is not getting anything. Finally he get frustrated and left Eritrea&#13;
with the refugee camp in Ethiopia.&#13;
MO: And when did you do that?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: Refugee – 2007.&#13;
KGI: 2007.&#13;
KG: Yeah.&#13;
MO: So six years in Ethiopia?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: Yeah, six years and some couple of months.&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, he went there on July 15, 2007 – [speaking in Tigrinya to the interviewee]&#13;
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KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.] 2013 –&#13;
KGI: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
And he came here on September 2013.&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: On the 18th of September, 2013. So, do your calc –&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: I will once –&#13;
KGI: It’s easier to do once –&#13;
MO: Yeah, if you’re already there –&#13;
[Laughing]&#13;
So you’re in science, and we’re all in [laughs] folklore.&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, six years two months and three days.&#13;
MO: Perfect.&#13;
KGI: [??]&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: Two months, three days.&#13;
So what was the experience like in leaving?&#13;
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KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, I don’t have any problem because I was born there, I know the whole land and we&#13;
got farms in between. There was army soldiers in the trench, but sometimes they just&#13;
don’t care because we go back and forth for our animals and farms; and he went to his&#13;
brother and didn’t get any problem – he just crossed.&#13;
MO: It’s hard for other people then, right (usually)?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: For me it was easy because I was raised in the rural areas, and we got animals so we cross&#13;
all over the place (because our animals for food and water to the animals). But for some&#13;
people who came from the capital or from the highlands – they didn’t know the area,&#13;
even we are raised differently (maybe they cannot hike a lot). Sometimes they don’t&#13;
know the land, they just go directly to the army, they get captured, and god knows what&#13;
they do with them. But for me it was easy; but for some people it’s a lot harder.&#13;
MO: That makes sense. So you relocated first to Ethiopia, right?&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, from Eritrea he relocated to the Shimelba refugee camps in Ethiopia – the camp&#13;
name is Shimelba. Do you want to spell?&#13;
MO: Yeah.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
KGI: S-H-I-M-L-B-A. Shimelba. So he relocated from Eritrea to the refugee camp in Ethiopia.&#13;
MO: And then did you go to any other refugee camps?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: From that refugee camp he directly came to the United States.&#13;
MO: Okay. What was your experience like in that camp?&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: It was kind of okay for me because I was raised in rural area, and that place was a rural&#13;
area. And since I was raised working with my family, in that refugee camp I was allowed&#13;
to work; I was working, earning money. So for me it was not [??]; it was kind of okay.&#13;
MO: But it would be hard for people from the capital, maybe?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: For some people it was hard because we were getting only 15 kilos of weight (around 30&#13;
pounds), and I was raised in a rural area around that area, so it was okay for me – I can go&#13;
and work, communicate with the people because they got the same behavior[??]. But the&#13;
refugee in the [??], they tend not to leave the camp – if you leave the camp it’s all your&#13;
responsibility if something happens, so some people they get scared; but for me, it’s okay&#13;
just leave and work – clear my mind and then come back. So some people they don’t&#13;
want to leave the camp, some people they don’t know how to work in the farm. So you&#13;
can’t [??] with the 15 kilos of weight; if you are lucky, if you have families in the U.S. or&#13;
England, they ask for money or for help. But there were a lot of people struggling in that&#13;
camp.&#13;
MO: Did they have small houses for you, or how was the living situation?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah most of the times they don’t give us houses; for his case he get a plot of land – most&#13;
of the time they give them a plot of land, you have to make your own house. Even for&#13;
him they didn’t give him a plot of land, there was some of his friends (they have their&#13;
own plot of land, they give it to him – he build his own house. He don’t know if they&#13;
made houses for the first arrival refugees (because the refugee camp starts a couple of&#13;
years before he arrived). He hears they help some women if they got problems, maybe&#13;
children or other stuff; but if you are a man, they don’t give you anything – they just give&#13;
you a plot of land: you have to make your own house.&#13;
MO: So did you arrive by yourself and then some of your family came after?&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I cross the border with my brother – he has three children here – he met a woman over&#13;
there, he get married with her in the refugee camp, and then she came here.&#13;
MO: Okay.&#13;
KGI: Only he made his house –&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: And now they are not even married, they are friends.&#13;
MO: Okay. Is she still there, or is she here?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: She is here.&#13;
MO: Okay, good. Were you assigned a job, or did you kind of find one on your own?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: In my case I was going out to the farmers near the camp, and ask the job from them –&#13;
they can give you farm work, or construction – not big construction, but he just make&#13;
some building walls and things like that – I do whatever I find. But there are some people&#13;
they are educated [??] they work with [??] the camp, or something with the refugee&#13;
administration. But for him, he was going to farmers and ask for a job.&#13;
MO: Okay. How did you celebrate holidays in your camp?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: Because it’s the same culture, so we have everything what we can have in Eritrea; with&#13;
whatever we got we make injera, we make soya (soya is a local drink in Eritrea), and we&#13;
kill a goat, and we celebrate.&#13;
MO: Is it easier – it’s probably easier, I shouldn’t even be asking this – it’s probably easier to&#13;
celebrate in the camp, then (your holidays), rather than in the U.S., right?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah he said in American you can find anything at the shopping centers, but some people&#13;
– they have money, they can afford it; but there are lot of them who cannot afford it. So it&#13;
is easier here in American than in the camp.&#13;
MO: Okay. Because you can’t go to Wal-Mart and buy a goat or a sheep [laughs].&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah you can buy meat over there.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: That’s true. Well but we have farms, too, that you can go to and buy animals, right?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: Yeah [responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah there is an old man and a woman somewhere in this 600 South, they sell sheeps,&#13;
chickens – I always go there and buy goats. [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: And they got a place, and he kills a goat and takes the meat and sells it fresh over there.&#13;
MO: Good. They’re not worried about that or anything?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: They got a place for killing the sheep –&#13;
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MO: Um-hmm?&#13;
KGI: Even they show up, “Hey, you want to kill it – go kill it over there,” (to kill fresh stuff).&#13;
MO: Nice! That’s a good deal.&#13;
KG: Um-hmm [speaking in Tigrinya].&#13;
KGI: And they know us – when they see us they say, “Ah, it’s the guys who kill the goats.”&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I know they don’t like us to kill the sheeps because they show us the place and they run&#13;
away to their apartment.&#13;
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MO: Yeah, I think it’s alarming for Americans to think that they would have to kill their own&#13;
animals; we just like to pretend that we’re not eating animals, I think.&#13;
KGI: Yeah. [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I understand that.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: I feel like the weird one, because it makes sense to take care of your own food like that.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: So he said for us it’s very [??]: we want to take care of our own food, we feel comfortable&#13;
when we kill our sheep or goat. Sometimes it’s kind of hard to go to the shop and buy a&#13;
meat because you don’t know who killed the sheep. We are kind of strict in our religion&#13;
orthodox: you have to kill it yourself, you have to say, “By the name of God, Son, and the&#13;
Holy Spirit;” and we feel comfortable. Most of the time we eat only sheep or goat, so if&#13;
it’s other animal, hmm, we don’t feel comfortable (because we don’t eat pork).&#13;
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KGI: If it’s Muslim they don’t eat it before we kill it.&#13;
MO: Oh, okay. But I mean that’s Old Law, right?&#13;
KGI: Yeah, it come from the Jews.&#13;
MO: Right.&#13;
KGI: Then the Muslim and the Christian, they are branches.&#13;
MO: Because I know with like Catholics and Protestants – they don’t have any problem eating&#13;
pork.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: Yeah, Islam – they have their own way; they are different from us. But if I go to Wal-&#13;
Mart and buy meat, I don’t know whether it’s a sheep’s meat, or it’s a donkey’s meat: it’s&#13;
just a meat, we don’t know. But according the way we are raised, and according to our&#13;
religion – if I kill it, I know it’s a sheep or a goat. So we feel comfortable if we kill our&#13;
sheep and goat (or other animals), and we know what we are killing, and we blessed it by&#13;
saying, “In the name of God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.” So we feel comfortable if we&#13;
kill our own animals, rather than going to Wal-Mart and buying meat we don’t know.&#13;
MO: Do you feel safe in the camp?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: For me, I was not scared for my safety; I always go out of the camp, work in the field,&#13;
even sometime there are nights I spend my nights in the field. I am not a city boy – I was&#13;
raised in farm and all our thing is doing the fields and spending the nights with the&#13;
animals. So I didn’t have any problem, and I wasn’t scared because I don’t have any&#13;
crime, I don’t have [??]. But there might be some people, even I remember one person&#13;
who died in the fields – nobody knows who killed him; still nobody knows what&#13;
happened to that guy.&#13;
MO: Hmm. Did you feel welcomed by the Ethiopians? Because I know that you’re very&#13;
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[31:20]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: As long as I was over there I don’t have any problem. Even I don’t have any problem,&#13;
they always tell us not to leave the camp; if you leave the camp you are responsible for&#13;
what happen to you – and they are right, they cannot protect you out of the camp. But&#13;
with the people who are just going together, going along – we don’t have any problem.&#13;
But I heard when I come here there was some fight in the camp.&#13;
MO: Hmm. How did you learn about the U.S. refugee program?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: When I was crossing the border from Eritrea to Ethiopia, I didn’t have any idea about the&#13;
U.S. refugee program, I just knew I wanted when I went to the refugee camp.&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, when we crossed (me and my brother), we don’t know what was the refugee&#13;
program over there (even we didn’t know there was a camp). So when they crossed the&#13;
border, the people who give them – after they crossed Ethiopia they were talking to [??]&#13;
Amharic[?], but he don’t know Amharic[?], his brother knows a little bit of Hamari –&#13;
they were telling them, “You guys are going to Shimelba refugee camp, there are other&#13;
Eritreans over there. You guys will go to America.” And [??] says what is Amharic&#13;
talking about; but when they took them the refugee camp there were lots of Eritreans, and&#13;
they knew the refugee program to the United States from the other Eritreans who were in&#13;
the camp before them.&#13;
MO: Did they help you apply – because it sounds like they told you, you were going to go?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: Okay. When he crossed first the border the Ethiopian army, when they caught you they&#13;
took you to some place (they call it [??]), then they register, “Who are you guys? Where&#13;
do you come from?” Things like that. Then after they confirm they are from Eritrea and&#13;
things like that, they send them to Shimelba refugee camp. Then the Shimelba [??] the&#13;
refugee camp, they transfer all your paperwork with them, because these people in [??],&#13;
they ask them a lot of questions in their own office, they register them. So they send their&#13;
resume and their session papers refugee camp in Shimelba. In the Shimelba camp there&#13;
are a lot of organizations they put them. There is Ara[??], these Ara are the people who&#13;
gives them food – that means who gives them the food and other things. And there is a&#13;
UNCR – they process the papers for a refugee to United States.&#13;
[Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, this UNCR – they process their guys to U.S., Australia and Canada. But there is&#13;
not a lot of obligations things to do if you are in the country on the border, they put in&#13;
paperwork, the Ethiopian army or police [??] – they transfer all their papers Shimelba&#13;
refugee camp; after that you just wait for interview.&#13;
MO: So the process took six years? When did you interview?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[38:37]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, he is not sure about the months, but the interview was around 2010.&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
He said I don’t remember the exact month, but I have my own record so maybe it’s in my&#13;
cards.&#13;
MO: It will be important for your kids and grandkids one day.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: Yeah.&#13;
MO: Tell me about coming to the U.S. – what was it like?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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[Conversation back and forth between Kahsaoy and Berhane in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: Yeah, he said when they come here they got a problem transit in Germany –&#13;
[Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Transit in Frankfurt – so when they leave the airplane the IOM people (they are the&#13;
people who help with them with the airplane tickets, because they have to pay it back) –&#13;
one of the IOM came he took other people, but for us he told us, “Just number 57.” And&#13;
he said I don’t know anything about airports, even I don’t know anything about city life&#13;
so I don’t know where to find number 57. But finally I just found it, but when I go over&#13;
there I don’t know who to ask and I don’t know what to do. And we were struggling and&#13;
stressed out in that airport; finally I saw an Ethiopian guy (he speaks some Amharic), and&#13;
I talk to him. Then he went inside and he check with the airplane reservation things, and&#13;
he told him to wait for some time. And we don’t have any money or we don’t have any&#13;
dollar with us; and my daughter was crying because she was so hungry and she was&#13;
crying so loud. The trip was okay, but we have a problem in Germany and nobody can&#13;
help us.&#13;
MO: Did you come to Salt Lake – were you assigned to Salt Lake?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: We were in Maryland.&#13;
MO: And then from Maryland to Salt Lake?&#13;
KG: We were assigned in Maryland.&#13;
MO: So you haven’t transferred, or you’re still technically assigned?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: They were assigned in Maryland, then they moved to Utah.&#13;
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MO: That’s a big difference.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: Yeah.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: You’re probably more comfortable here because we have so much farming, and&#13;
Maryland doesn’t have anything?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He said I like this place.&#13;
MO: Yeah, I think I like it a lot more too.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I like agriculture, so I was happy when I moved to this place.&#13;
MO: Good. How long were you in Maryland?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I was in Maryland for eight months and some days.&#13;
MO: What did you do for work?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He was working in Lancaster Food Company – they were packing vegetables.&#13;
MO: Okay. And did you come to Utah because you heard about JBS?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: Okay. I heard about JBS, even I had that work that company he was working in&#13;
Lancaster, it’s all the way in Utah (he didn’t know exactly where), but it’s somewhere&#13;
around here. And besides that, they told me this is kind of rural area, not big metropolitan&#13;
city like Maryland. Since I was raised on a farm I try to be close to farm, so that’s why I&#13;
moved here.&#13;
MO: Okay. There was something I was going to ask – I have to remember it. Oh, I am curious&#13;
about what you thought living in Eritrea, what the expectation is of what Americans are&#13;
like, and how did that change?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: When I was in Eritrea, I didn’t know enough about America (I just know America is a&#13;
good place to live and a great country). When I come I was worried because as far as I&#13;
figured America in my brain it was just big metropolitan area – I didn’t even know&#13;
America has farmlands and rural areas. And when I come first, the first city I saw was big&#13;
so many buildings on it; I was worried, “What I’m going to do in this country? How I’m&#13;
going to live?” I don’t know any language, I don’t have education. But when I saw it’s&#13;
okay, I can survive and the [??] has everything. But my expectation and what I found is&#13;
so different; I was thinking about big buildings and metropolitan areas, but there are a lot&#13;
of rural and farm areas too.&#13;
MO: That’s good; it’s good that we have farms.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[50:22]&#13;
KGI: He say we are processing a lot of [??] in our brain because we are told this is hard&#13;
country to live – even people will tell you that you can get lost inside America and&#13;
nobody is going to find you. Even when I was coming from Maryland to Utah some&#13;
people told me, “You’re going to get lost,” even I was scared I might get lost in between,&#13;
so nobody is going to find me. But everything is [??] I’m told about in America – even if&#13;
I get lost if I got some offices they come bring me a translator. So it’s a good country and&#13;
everything is arranged.&#13;
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MO: Good, because I think a lot of Americans want to get lost, but we don’t feel like we can&#13;
because our government keeps pretty good track of us.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: They don’t get lost.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: I’m not worried about you – if you can live on a farm, you deserve the right of being in&#13;
the U.S. I think.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Now I can figure it out, even I cannot get lost in big cities because there are ways he can&#13;
communicate with others.&#13;
MO: Absolutely. So when you moved from Maryland to Utah, did the government help you in&#13;
any way?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, when he moved he didn’t get any help. He just worked and he paid his travel&#13;
expense with the money we saved. But when he was moving he took the agency who&#13;
helped them, because he had so many medical papers (he got surgery on his) –&#13;
[Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He got surgery on his left eye, so they collected all his paperwork and other medical&#13;
records. And they gave all their paperwork to him, and he just moved with his own&#13;
money.&#13;
MO: Did you know anyone in Logan, or did you just sort of come in and find a place to live&#13;
and work?&#13;
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KGI: Yeah there were some people I know who live here; even my girlfriend – she first moved&#13;
here because she got her brothers here, and then I just followed her. If we don’t know&#13;
anyone we cannot move, because we cannot move in a place we don’t know anything.&#13;
MO: Um-hmm. So you have a lot of friends, and even relatives here – do you feel included by&#13;
the rest of the community?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[55:37]&#13;
KGI: I don’t feel isolated from the community because they help us with anything we ask of&#13;
them, even sometimes when we come first I just have the address in my hand but I cannot&#13;
look at my apartment – I ask them, “Hey, do you know where this address is?” Some of&#13;
them they just show me, but there are some good people that just took me until I reached&#13;
the address I am looking for. So these people are loving people and they are good people.&#13;
MO: Is there anything that we could do to help you feel more at home?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I can’t ask for more because there is work opportunity, other stuff, but I prefer to have a&#13;
farmland to make my own farm – I don’t want to work in JBS forever because I have eye&#13;
problem sometimes it’s kind of hard for me to work the whole day. I have nowhere to&#13;
ask, but if possible I would like to have a farm and do my own farm.&#13;
MO: That’s the American Dream.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
MO: Every American wants to have a farm [laughing].&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: It’s a good dream; even I want to have a farm – that’s my field.&#13;
MO: Yeah, I think it makes you a good American [laughing] to have that dream.&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: So you have five kids still in Africa?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, they are in Africa.&#13;
MO: Are you going to try to bring them to the United States?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[59:30]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, I would love to bring them here, but the problem is how can they leave Eritrea?&#13;
We cross the border, but they are too young to cross the border – they might have a lot of&#13;
problems, they need an adult to take them out. The older one and his younger brother,&#13;
they are already out in the refugee camp, but for the rest of them: they are too young to&#13;
cross the border. So he is trying to figure out how they can retrieve them, get Visas for&#13;
them.&#13;
MO: The three you have here, are they in school or are they too young?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: The younger one is younger (he was just born in United States) –&#13;
KG: [Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: The older one, she goes to KG[??] here – I don’t know but he was telling me the school&#13;
somewhere around 300 North 300 West?&#13;
MO: Okay.&#13;
KGI: She goes there – the older one of the three; but the younger one is only two months old.&#13;
MO: So not even talking yet? [Laughs]&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: The youngest is too young – not talking, but the other one is older –&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He is an American before I am.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: Speaks English and everything?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: Yeah, he talks English.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: Good. How are the experiences with your landlord? Are you in an apartment?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah.&#13;
[Speaking in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, he lives in an apartment and he doesn’t have any problem with his landlord.&#13;
MO: What would you like people in Logan to know about you and your community?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: He said most of us in Logan we are here from villages in Eritrea: when we come, we&#13;
came from rural areas (there are some who came from the cities). So we don’t know a lot&#13;
of stuff because we are new and we are born in farm areas and sometimes we need help –&#13;
[Phone ringing]&#13;
We need help how to figure out how things work here, and sometimes I wish if the city&#13;
can give us some farmland in something that grows because we are good in farm. I prefer&#13;
to work in a farm with some of my community [??]. And we also need education – we’ve&#13;
got children and we need education for us and for our children.&#13;
MO: Um-hmm. Are the English classes helping then? Are you able to find any other – or what&#13;
kind of education do you need?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[02:58]&#13;
KGI: There is English school – that’s good, but sometimes it’s kind of far for us (some of us&#13;
who don’t have cars), and sometimes we work in JBS this hard work all over and&#13;
spending day in JBS and going to school is kind of hard. So if possible if they do it on the&#13;
weekends it would be better, because we don’t have anything to do on the weekends – we&#13;
can go there and study.&#13;
MO: Okay; that would be a good idea.&#13;
KGI: Um-hmm.&#13;
MO: Would you ever go back home?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah, I have a lot of family over there, but I would not go over there – I don’t think I can&#13;
go there. I love living here.&#13;
MO: Okay. What are you most proud of?&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: I am proud I can work and even myself because it’s not good to ask help every time from&#13;
other people or other organizations. And I’m proud I am healthy, except I have problems&#13;
with my eye; but I can work, I am healthy. And I am proud I have children with me here&#13;
in the United States. And I am proud I am living here.&#13;
MO: To own a farm is the ultimate dream?&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yes, his dream is to own a farm. [Laughs]&#13;
MO: Okay, well if you have a farm in America, you have to get a cowboy hat.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: Okay.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: So that should be a dream too, to own a cowboy hat.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
MO: Do you have any other dreams?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: Yeah I have a lot of dreams, but I will do it one by one; we will see in the future – for&#13;
example, I want to own my own house (I don’t want to live in apartments forever). It’s a&#13;
good idea to own house first.&#13;
MO: Um-hmm; good. Well those are all the questions I have. So do you have any questions for&#13;
us, or does anyone else have any questions?&#13;
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KGI: Do you guys have any questions? No?&#13;
??: Have you heard about the garden that Nelda has?&#13;
??I: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
??: The refugee garden?&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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KGI: There were a couple of guys who talked to Nelda about farm –&#13;
??: Um-hmm?&#13;
KGI: And she send them to another lady named Jillian (he guess, or something like that). So&#13;
she got an appointment to meet somewhere and to discuss about it, but they didn’t make&#13;
it – they were mis-communicated about the appointment place or time. After that they&#13;
didn’t hear anything about that.&#13;
??: Well hopefully that can happen.&#13;
MO: That’s everything. I think we’re going to conclude this interview. We want to thank you&#13;
again for meeting with us and telling us a little bit about, I don’t know, your life.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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[09:23]&#13;
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KGI: So when we come here we don’t know anything and they told us we cannot punish our&#13;
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Kahsaoy&#13;
Berhe&#13;
Gebremedhin&#13;
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MO: That is a great debate.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the statement in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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??: And I would suggest, because I know that my friend – because you could get in trouble&#13;
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MO: You don’t want – it’s interesting; discipline in America is very different, it’s very&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the statements in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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[13:03]&#13;
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MO: Well I think that’s how you should do it.&#13;
??: So you’re doing it right, if you do it.&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the statements in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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MO: I say yes.&#13;
KG: [Laughs] [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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MO: Well we are going to at least stop the recording here, but just a final question: you are&#13;
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MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
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MO: Okay. And online too?&#13;
MOI: [Repeating the question in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KG: [Responding in Tigrinya.]&#13;
KGI: No problem.&#13;
MO: Okay; thank you.&#13;
KG: You’re welcome.&#13;
MO: Thank you, thank you.&#13;
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Project:&#13;
Kaw&#13;
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CACHE VALLEY REFUGEE ORAL HISTORY PROJECT&#13;
TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET&#13;
Interviewee(s): Kaw Lay&#13;
Present: David Giles, Cami Dilg, Deanna Allred, Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, Khin Mar&#13;
Cho (Kaw Lay’s wife)&#13;
Place of Interview: Kaw Lay’s home, Logan, Utah&#13;
Date of Interview: May 16, 2015&#13;
Language(s): Burmese&#13;
Translation:&#13;
Interviewer: David Giles&#13;
Interpreter: Har Be Bar&#13;
Recordist: Deanna Allred&#13;
Photographer: Cami Dilg&#13;
Recording Equipment: Tascam DR-100mk11 linear PCM recorder; Senal ENG-18RL&#13;
broadcast-quality omnidirectional dynamic microphone&#13;
Transcription Equipment: Express Scribe with PowerPlayer foot pedal.&#13;
Transcribed by: Susan Gross, May 25, 2015&#13;
Transcript Proofed by:&#13;
Brief Description of Contents: Mr. Kaw Lay discusses being born in Burma, and then the&#13;
conditions during the war. He talks about his wife and children escaping to a refugee camp in&#13;
Thailand, with him following later (after having earned more money to support the trip). He talks&#13;
about the journey to the United States, and what it took to adjust and get settled in Logan, Utah.&#13;
He and his wife talk about the struggles they’ve had, as well as daily life for their family in the&#13;
United States.&#13;
Reference: DG = David Giles&#13;
DGI = David Giles’ words interpreted by translator&#13;
KL = Kaw Lay&#13;
KLI = Kaw Lay’s words interpreted by translator&#13;
DA = Deanna Allred&#13;
DAI = Deanna Allred’s words interpreted by translator&#13;
CD = Cami Dilg&#13;
CDI = Cami Dilg’s words interpreted by translator&#13;
KC = Khin Mar Cho&#13;
KC = Khin Mar Cho’s words interpreted by translator&#13;
Cache&#13;
Valley&#13;
Refugee&#13;
Oral&#13;
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Project:&#13;
Kaw&#13;
Lay&#13;
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NOTE: [You will have to modify this as appropriate—whether using CommGap or in-person&#13;
interpreter.] The interview was conducted with CommGap Interpretive Services; the interpreter&#13;
joined the interview via a cell phone. False starts, pauses, or transitions in dialogue such as “uh”&#13;
and starts and stops in conversations are not included in transcript. All additions and added&#13;
information to transcript are noted with brackets.&#13;
TAPE TRANSCRIPTION&#13;
[00:01]&#13;
DG: Okay. This is David Giles; we are recording an interview for the “Voices: Refugees in&#13;
Cache Valley” project. Also with me we have Cami Dilg and Deanna Allred (I&#13;
completely spaced). Today is the 16th of May, and it is about one o’clock in the&#13;
afternoon. We also have Har Be Bar, who is the interpreter today, and Kaw Lay, who we&#13;
will be interviewing. Is there anything else we need to put on the tag, or is that it? Okay.&#13;
Sorry?&#13;
CD: Go ahead and ask who else is in the room –&#13;
DG: Okay.&#13;
CD: And have them be identified.&#13;
DG: Okay. Could you do me a favor and just tell us your names?&#13;
??: My name is [??]&#13;
DG: Okay. Sean[??], would you mind?&#13;
KC: My name is Khin Mar Cho, his wife.&#13;
DG: Okay.&#13;
[Inaudible discussion with folks in the room.]&#13;
DG: [??] okay.&#13;
DA: How do you spell that?&#13;
??: T-H-U-V[??]&#13;
DG: Oh, I think you were here yesterday.&#13;
??: Yeah.&#13;
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DG: Okay; alright.&#13;
DA: How do you spell your name?&#13;
KC: Khin Mar Cho: K-H-I-N space M-A-R space C-H-O.&#13;
DA: C-H--?&#13;
KC: C-H-O.&#13;
DA: C-H-O? Thank you.&#13;
DG: Okay. Now, before we start Kaw Lay, just to make sure on Har Be Bar, it’s easiest if we&#13;
just speak one or two sentences at a time, give her time to translate.&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
DG: If you would like to speak in English, that’s fine; if you feel more comfortable speaking&#13;
in Burmese – that’s fine as well; just whichever you prefer.&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: He will speak in English – oh, Burmese.&#13;
DG: Okay.&#13;
KLI: Yeah.&#13;
DG: Alright. So my first question: can you tell us your first name and your birth year? And&#13;
what languages do you speak?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the questions in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: First name is Kaw and the last name is Lay; he speak Burmese. His birthday is –&#13;
KL: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
Cache&#13;
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KL: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: It’s 1963.&#13;
DG: 1963, okay. Now let me see, tell us a little bit about your family – you know, how many&#13;
children do you have? And how long have you been married? That kind of thing.&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: He don’t remember exactly how long he been married. And then he has five children.&#13;
[Speaking in Burmese to interviewee.] Two girls and three boys.&#13;
DG: Okay, thank you. Let me see – can you please describe the ethnic or religious community&#13;
that you belong to? So you know, tell us about being a Burmese Muslim.&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
[04:33]&#13;
KLI: I’m kind of Muslim ethnic group.&#13;
DG: Okay, thank you. Now let me see – can you tell us a little bit more about Burma? You&#13;
know, how long you lived there, why you left?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: He was born in Burma, and then there was civil war going around, so they had to move&#13;
around in Burma. So he had to leave Burma because of the war to Thailand camp.&#13;
DG: So you went to Thailand first?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
Yeah, Thailand first.&#13;
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DG: Okay, so what was that like – having to move around, having to move to Thailand?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
[Discussion in Burmese between several people.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: Well everything was destroyed, so we have to move around. Well he have to, so it’s kind&#13;
of not good.&#13;
DG: Um-hmm.&#13;
KLI: Yeah, that’s what he try to say.&#13;
DG: Okay. Let me see – okay. So about how old were you when you had to leave to Thailand?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: Forty-four[??]&#13;
DG: Okay. And do you remember how many kids you had at that time?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
[08:23]&#13;
KLI: At that time he only have four childrens, and then in the camp she was born.&#13;
DG: Wow, okay. What was that like having little kids with you when you needed to leave?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
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KLI: Yeah, it was the worst time ever, because the whole family cannot go together. At first&#13;
his wife and two childrens went there first; and then he followed them.&#13;
DG: Wow that sounds scary.&#13;
KLI: Um-hmm.&#13;
DG: Did you have to go separately because if immigration restrictions, because of laws?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: First because their family over there in the camp – they went first – and then they support&#13;
them to get there. Yeah, he stay in Burma, work for a little bit and then get money, and&#13;
then go.&#13;
DG: I understand; okay, thank you. What was it like living in a refugee camp? What were&#13;
your experiences there?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: He don’t have much experience – he get free food, he live with the food because he don’t&#13;
work (in the camp there are no jobs).&#13;
DG: Um-hmm. So what kind of food did you get?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: Rice, beans, salt, oil, chilies.&#13;
DG: Wow, so not very much?&#13;
KLI: Not very much.&#13;
DG: Not very much. Let me see – now what kind of medical care was there in the camp?&#13;
What would you do if you got into an accident, or you got sick?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
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KLI: In the camp there are clinic, and then if he get sick he will go there. If the health is getting&#13;
worse, and like dying, the clinic will support him to go to a Mae Sot hospital (he will get&#13;
take care of him); he don’t have to pay for it.&#13;
DG: Okay, thank you. What kind of hospital was it?&#13;
KLI: It’s a clinic – in the camp? The clinic.&#13;
DG: Oh, well you said if they got worse then they’d go to a hospital?&#13;
KLI: Uh-huh, like in Mae Sot – in the big city.&#13;
DG: Oh, okay; alright. Let me see – now you said there wasn’t any work that you could do in&#13;
the camp, no jobs?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: No.&#13;
DG: Okay, wow; wow. Okay, now when you were in the camp did you celebrate in holy days&#13;
or any holidays?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: There are a lot of people (like Muslim people); so that way he could celebrate the Eid&#13;
(they call the Eid). First he went to the mosque and then pray, and then come back and&#13;
have fun with families.&#13;
DG: Cool. Was there a mosque in the camp?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: Yeah, they were.&#13;
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DG: Okay, wow. What was the mosque like – like what was it made out of? What did it look&#13;
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DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
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DG: Okay. Was it specially decorated, or was it just you know, just a house?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
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DG: Okay, thank you.&#13;
KLI: Um-hmm.&#13;
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were refugees, what was your relationship with Thailand?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
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DG: Okay, thank you. Did you feel safe in the camps?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KLI: It’s not safe over there; the Burmese people will come and burn them, but he was afraid.&#13;
DG: That does sound scary. Thank you. Let me see – so how did you first hear about the&#13;
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KLI: There is a group that called –&#13;
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KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: UNHI –&#13;
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KLI: It’s called UI – he don’t really know. And then he had to register for to come here (like a&#13;
lot of people were).&#13;
DG: Okay, thank you. Did you get any help applying?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KLI: Yeah, the UI group helped with everything, because they don’t know anything. So they&#13;
helped.&#13;
DG: Okay, thank you. I have a question about the paperwork – was it all in English, or did you&#13;
have to fill it out in Burmese?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: Yeah, it’s in English, but there are translator that helped them.&#13;
DG: Wow that sounds like a nightmare.&#13;
KLI: [Laughs] Yeah.&#13;
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DG: Let me see – so what was it like coming to the U.S.? What was your experience with the&#13;
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DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KLI: From the camp he had to go to the city, in Thailand city – he had to like stay there three&#13;
days in the church, and then he had to take the airplane (like three to four airplanes); and&#13;
he went to New York, and from New York to here.&#13;
DG: Wow.&#13;
KLI: Yeah.&#13;
DG: Wow.&#13;
KLI: It’s a long way.&#13;
DG: Um-hmm. Kaw Lay’s wife has just sat down with us. Let me see – now you said when&#13;
you went to the camp you had to go – it was your wife and a couple of children, and then&#13;
you came afterwards? Did you all go at the same time to the United States, or did you&#13;
have to go twice like that?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KLI: All together.&#13;
DG: All together?&#13;
KLI: Um-hmm.&#13;
DG: Okay. Let me see – so when you first got to the United States, what was it like for those&#13;
first couple months? Did anyone help you out, or were you just on your own?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KLI: He get a little bit help with the renting and stuff, but there is a problem with his son&#13;
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DG: Um-hmm. So who helped you with the rent?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
[Discussion in Burmese among several folks present.]&#13;
KLI: There is a group (IRC) help pay the rent for six months.&#13;
DG: Oh, wow. That might have been the – Cache Valley group? We’ll look it up –&#13;
[Discussion in Burmese.]&#13;
You mentioned there was a problem when your son broke his leg – what happened then?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KCI: They get separated – he is in the hotel, and then she is in the hospital with the broken leg&#13;
child; and then there is no phone, no number that to call. And then they don’t know how&#13;
to contact each other.&#13;
DG: Wow. And you’re saying this is Kaw Lay and his wife (for the recording)?&#13;
KCI: Um-hmm, yeah.&#13;
DG: Okay, wow; sounds very scary. Let me see – now did the hospital charge you for that?&#13;
How did you get help paying for that (the broken leg)?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KC: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KCI: The IRC helped them to pay for it.&#13;
DG: Okay; alright, thank you. Let me see, next question – so how long have you guys been&#13;
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DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
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KLI: Like five to six year.&#13;
DG: Okay, let me see – what is life like here? What do you do (what kind of work do you do)?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
[Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: He work in Miller, and then he is saying that he don’t get food stamps now – so with his&#13;
money he buy food and stuff, and live like that.&#13;
DG: What specifically do you do at Miller (like what’s your job)?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: He had to do the inside of the cow’s stomach –&#13;
DG: Oh, goodness.&#13;
KLI: [Laughs] Yeah.&#13;
DG: Khin Mar Cho (is that how you?) –&#13;
KC: Khin Mar Cho.&#13;
DG: Khin Mar Cho – what do you do for work here, or do you work?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KC: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KCI: She sew, she cook – she sew for other people like – she sew for my clothes too, and then&#13;
I pay for it.&#13;
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community? Do you feel a part of the group here?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: Yeah, he feel like it.&#13;
DG: Good, good. Let me see – now tell us a little bit about your home here: like how is it like&#13;
the house you had back in Burma, and how is it different?&#13;
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DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
[Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: Thailand – the camp houses are like sometime missing a wall –&#13;
KL: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: Made with the bamboo trees.&#13;
DG: Um-hmm?&#13;
KL: And then here it’s like completely a lot better; yeah.&#13;
DG: Um-hmm; okay, thank you. Let me see – oh, have you had any problems with your&#13;
landlord, or have they been nice and helpful?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: The best landlord ever, he said, because whenever he need something he call it, and then&#13;
that person come.&#13;
DG: Okay, so the landlord is helpful then?&#13;
KLI: Yeah, it’s very helpful.&#13;
DG: Okay. Good, good; we’ve heard some stories where that wasn’t the case.&#13;
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DG: If you could translate that.&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: The others are not that helpful. Yeah.&#13;
DG: Okay; wow, it sounds like you got lucky [laughs].&#13;
DGI: Um-hmm. [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.] Very, very.&#13;
DG: Um-hmm. Now let me see – so what would you like people in Logan to know about you&#13;
and your family?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KLI: If they’re interested in them, they can come and ask about it; yeah [laughs].&#13;
DG: Okay. Alright, let me see – now if you could, would you like to go back to Burma?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: He would like to go back because he have like a lot of friends. And then if he goes&#13;
somewhere else (like in the jungle) he is happy to live in there, because he feel like it’s&#13;
his place – and here he don’t feel like it’s own place. And then his child would not go&#13;
back because they live here, they feel like it’s their place. So yeah, he would like to go&#13;
back.&#13;
DG: Okay. I’m sorry – what was your name again?&#13;
KC: Khin Mar Cho.&#13;
DG: Khin Mar Cho – would you like to go back?&#13;
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KCI: She doesn’t like to go back because there are still problems and then she doesn’t want to&#13;
like get problem anymore – she just want to get free.&#13;
DG: Um-hmm.&#13;
KCI: Yeah.&#13;
DG: Okay. Now let me see – I’d like to go back and ask about the move to the United States.&#13;
Is there anything that you think that people could do to make that move easier, to make&#13;
that transition?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
[Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.]&#13;
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KLI: He want to get like easiest way that he could, if he can – but he had to go around because&#13;
– [speaking in Burmese to interviewee]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: It’s the traveling stuff, so –&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: Yeah, he cannot just go straight –&#13;
DG: Are you talking about he would have liked to have flown into Salt Lake –&#13;
KLI: Uh-huh.&#13;
DG: Instead of going to New York and back?&#13;
KLI: Um-hmm, yeah.&#13;
DG: Okay. Okay now let me see – now just a couple more questions. So what are you most&#13;
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DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: He is very proud that he could come here, and then like his childrens can go to school&#13;
free. Yeah.&#13;
DG: Good. Now Khin Mar Cho – what are you most proud of?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KC: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
KCI: She said nothing because she can’t speak English until now.&#13;
KC: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KCI: Yeah, she wants to like speak English and then get better health.&#13;
DG: Get better health?&#13;
KCI: Um-hmm.&#13;
DG: Okay. Are you having medical problems right now?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KC: [Responding in Burmese – crying.]&#13;
KCI: Yeah, she is having with medical; she want to have medical care.&#13;
KC: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KCI: Yeah, they don’t help.&#13;
DG: They don’t help?&#13;
KCI: Um-hmm.&#13;
DG: Okay. I’m not sure –&#13;
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KCI: She just go to the hospital, but she has insurance in the JBS, but the JBS didn’t help them&#13;
much; so, yeah.&#13;
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DA: For her specific problem?&#13;
KCI: Um-hmm.&#13;
KC: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KCI: The thing is that they could pay, but they did not pay. And then there is like a lot of&#13;
paperworks come, and then she don’t know how to read and stuff.&#13;
DG: Would you like us to see if we can help with that?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KC: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KCI: Yeah, she would like you to.&#13;
DG: Okay, alright. I don’t know how much we can do, but I’ll ask and see if there is someone&#13;
who can help.&#13;
DA: It sounds like there’s just a translation problem. Is it more than just a translation problem?&#13;
DG: Yeah, it sounds like a problem with the insurance.&#13;
KCI: Yeah, with the insurance – and then she don’t get the medical care from the government.&#13;
DA: Okay.&#13;
DG: If you could tell her we will try and help, but –&#13;
KC: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
[Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.]&#13;
KCI: There is still a problem with his son leg, and that he had to go every year and then he&#13;
cannot go because of the medical problem that nobody problem.&#13;
DG: Okay. Can you tell her we’ll talk to some people and see if there is something we can do&#13;
– if there is some way we can help.&#13;
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KCI: She doesn’t want any food stamps or stuff, she just want the medical care.&#13;
DA: She doesn’t the what?&#13;
KCI: The food stamps.&#13;
DA: Yes, um-hmm.&#13;
DG: Yeah, we’ll try to help. I don’t know much about –&#13;
KC: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
DG: Okay, we’ll see what we can do.&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
DG: Now just a couple more questions. What are your dreams for yourself and for your&#13;
children? We’ve already talked about medical care –&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KC: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KCI: She wants her youngest daughter to be a doctor – she really wants –&#13;
DG: Um-hmm.&#13;
KC: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
DA: Is that you?&#13;
??: Yeah.&#13;
DG: Yeah, that would be very good.&#13;
DA: That would be wonderful.&#13;
DG: Now Kaw Lay, what are your dreams – for yourself and for your children?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KLI: He don’t have a dream for himself, but for his daughter and son – he don’t to be like him&#13;
(like working hard), he just want like their lives to get better and better. That’s his dream.&#13;
DG: Okay. Now let me see – is there anything else (this question is for both of you) – is there&#13;
anything else you’d like to talk about that we haven’t asked?&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: Nothing.&#13;
DG: Okay. Now those are all the questions that I have, but do either of you have questions?&#13;
DA: I have some questions. If there were English classes available, do you have transportation&#13;
to get there? Do you know if there are English classes?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KCI: There is people that come her house and like teach her English, but she don’t get it&#13;
because of problem with the brain, I don’t know.&#13;
KC: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KCI: Yeah, she don’t learn anything.&#13;
DG: I’m sorry –&#13;
KC: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KCI: When they teach she get at first, and then later she forgot all.&#13;
DG: That’s kind of how it is for us too, actually [laughs]. Like in the classes that we’re taking&#13;
for school, we need to learn things over and over. So, yeah.&#13;
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DA: I do have a question: when you were in the hospital with your son right after you got&#13;
here, and you were at home – how did you find each other? How did you get back&#13;
together your family?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KC: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KCI: They take a weeks, then the IRC come and then they find a way –&#13;
DA: To get them all back together?&#13;
KCI: Um-hmm, yeah.&#13;
DA: They were separated for weeks?&#13;
KCI: Um-hmm, yeah.&#13;
DA: Because they couldn’t get back together?&#13;
KCI: Um-hmm. That’s crazy [laughs].&#13;
DA: That is crazy.&#13;
KC: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KCI: Yeah, the IRC take –&#13;
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KCI: The IRC took them to the hospital.&#13;
DA: Okay.&#13;
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KLI: Yeah, from hotel they rent and then once he got the home, and then they took him to the&#13;
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KCI: They can only drink water because they couldn’t eat the American food.&#13;
DA: I’m sure; I’m sure it was very different – yeah.&#13;
DG: And hospital food isn’t good anyways.&#13;
DA: Yeah [laughs].&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
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DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KCI: Like pizza.&#13;
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DA: Yeah, pizza [laughing].&#13;
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CD: Were you finished?&#13;
DA: I’m done, thank you.&#13;
CD: Um-hmm. I guess to follow up with the food question, where do you purchase your food?&#13;
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CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: Yeah, from Salt Lake – they get from Salt Lake.&#13;
DG: Wow.&#13;
CD: How often do you make the trip down there?&#13;
CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: Once a month.&#13;
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KLI: There is not a lot of Asians food in here, so they have to go to Salt Lake and once a&#13;
month buy a lot of food.&#13;
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CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KLI: They go as a family because he don’t know how to drive, so he had to take his older son.&#13;
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KLI: Yeah [??]&#13;
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DG: Okay.&#13;
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CDI: What is the traditional –&#13;
CD: The traditional role – does the wife play certain roles, the husband play certain roles?&#13;
CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KLI: There is no traditional role, specifically, that they do; they just go to work, she just stay&#13;
home; that’s it every day.&#13;
DG: Okay.&#13;
CD: I’ve got one or two more questions.&#13;
DG: Okay, sorry [laughs].&#13;
CD: If someone wanted to learn more about your community (so someone from Logan), are&#13;
there events or, you know, gatherings that they could attend to learn more about your&#13;
community or to meet people from Burma?&#13;
CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KLI: Yeah, they could come like when the Eid (the holiday) come – we cook, and then&#13;
everyone like around the community come and eat.&#13;
DG: Okay. When is Eid?&#13;
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KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: Next month is the Ramadan –&#13;
DA: Uh-huh.&#13;
KLI: That we have to fast; and then after Ramadan is the Eid.&#13;
DA: After Ramadan?&#13;
KLI: Yeah.&#13;
[Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: It’s April 6th – [speaking in Burmese], like the 18th.&#13;
DG: Okay, thank you.&#13;
KLI: No, it’s June –&#13;
DG: [Laughs]&#13;
KLI: Sorry [laughs].&#13;
KL: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: Yeah, June 20th or the 18th.&#13;
DG: Okay.&#13;
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take place in the community (American events, I guess) that you participate in – or&#13;
maybe just in general – are there things that you do outside of the home? I know you’re&#13;
busy with work and taking care of the family – what are some things that you like to do&#13;
outside?&#13;
CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
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KL: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
Cache&#13;
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KLI: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Laughs] [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
[Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.]&#13;
[Doorbell rings]&#13;
[57:48]&#13;
KLI: Like they would like to go other people houses and visit – that’s what they like to do.&#13;
DG: Okay; so they like to go to other people’s homes, and they like to visit?&#13;
KLI: Um-hmm, yeah.&#13;
DG: Okay.&#13;
KC: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
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DG: Okay.&#13;
DA: Oh, well we can do that.&#13;
CD: That can be arranged.&#13;
[Laughter]&#13;
DA: She can come visit us.&#13;
KC: [Speaking in Burmese.]&#13;
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CD: Would they attend school events, or something like that (parent-teacher conference) if&#13;
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CDI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
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KC: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
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DG: Okay; alright, any other questions? Okay – if you could translate this for me –&#13;
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DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
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DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
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DA: At the end of the month.&#13;
DG: Do we have invitations?&#13;
DA: Yes, I do.&#13;
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CDI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
DG: And thank you again very much for allowing us to come and interview you.&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
KL: [Responding in Burmese.]&#13;
KLI: It doesn’t cost anything?&#13;
DA: No.&#13;
DG: No. Can you do the release forms?&#13;
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DAI: Yeah.&#13;
DA: So can I take pictures of you two?&#13;
DAI: [Repeating the question in Burmese.]&#13;
DA: Thank you.&#13;
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about.&#13;
DGI: [Repeating the statement in Burmese.]&#13;
[Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.]&#13;
DA: Okay, I only have –&#13;
[Background discussion between the interviewers.]&#13;
[Discussion among Kaw Lay, Har Be Bar, and Khin Mar Cho in Burmese.]&#13;
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