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Holly Williams
History 5700
Professor Gabbert
Utah State University
Spring 2010
• Living Legends
Holly Williams
HIST 5700
Assignment #3
In a culture of gossip and adrenalin, it's no wonder that legend tripping is such a popular
activity. Legend tripping, or the act of traveling to the location where the legend supposedly happened,
tends to be popular among the young adult age group. I spoke with three men, who had all experienced
legends, or supernatural happenings, personally, or who had heard of others experiencing them. All
these legends take place in Cache Valley. This paper will discuss why these men traveled to the
locations they, or others, did and why they tell the stories to others.
The first person I interviewed was John Reynolds. Each story that he told was a first hand
account of something that he had experienced. Why would John tell me stories that had happened to
him personally? Did they make the stories more scary? Did they make them more real? John, I believe,
• wanted to share his experience with others so that they could experience, too, what he had felt at those
moments.
The first story he told was from when he was in high school. He and some friends decided to
watch a scary movie in the old boy's gym at Logan High. They heard some creaking noises from the
dark corner, but ignored them. Then there was a loud metallic crash and everyone scattered. They later
found out that it was just some boys setting up a dinner for a school dance.
Why would John tell this story and then say what the real reason for the noise was? To start off
his story, he told of how the gym was supposedly haunted, since it was the floor above an old
swimming pool where several students had drowned. Naturally, watching a scary movie in a
supposedly haunted location, would give the gym the aura of spookiness. Similarly, in other legend
tripping adventures, the participants go to the location only when the conditions are right (i.e. on a full
• moon, at midnight, at a certain time of year).
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John ended his story by giving a real reason for the noise, as opposed to a supernatural one.
• What does this mean? Bruce Jackson says:
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"Stories aren't just retrospective: they rationalize, compartmentalize, and
organize the past, but they also license the future. Our narratives provide
the charter for moral decisions, define the permissible and impermissible,
the good and the bad ...
With stories we know our world and where we are in it and where
everyone else is in it" (Jackson, 188).
So in Jackson's view, John was telling how it was something "real" that made the noise to find his place
in the world. He wanted to leave the possibility of there being a ghost open. Yet he rationalized his
character by indicating that the probability of it being something other than another person as being
very slight.
John's second story is similar in many ways. He starts his story off by telling the "facts" of the
story. These facts later justify his reasons for being scared at the house and for finding the house
creepy. After telling the facts about the story, John goes on to tell about visiting the house alone for the
first time, and then going back with friends and their reactions. To him, it didn't matter what time you
went to the house, it was always scary. He describes what the inside of the house looks like and why it
is so scary. He ends his story by saying, "anyway, it's the scariest house ever."
The Petersborough House, in a way, is Cache Valley's Winchester Mystery House. The house
itselfhas no paranormal stories associated with it. The only thing that makes it ''the scariest house
ever" is that fact that it is abnormal. While the main focus of the tours of the Wmchester Mystery
House is "a crazy lady", the main focus of the Petersborough House is the guy that "kind of lost his
mind over time" and disappeared, just like his wife (Goldstein, 100)
Just like the stairs that lead no where, or the doors in the floor of the Wmchester House, things
in the Petersborough House are strange too. The house looks completely abandoned, not moved out of,
just empty "as if they just left the house as is and and took off". This sense ofthings being unnatural,
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• makes the house what it is, no ghost stories are necessary.
In John's last story, he explains why something isn't real, and why people think it is, similar to
his first story. This is a story about John and his friend going to the Weeping Widow, a famous statue in
the Logan Cemetery. He explains that the Weeping Widow is weeping because she had lost all of her
children in infancy. Supposedly on every full moon (although John was not quite sure) you can see the
statue crying real tears from her eyes. John explains that there are stains down the cheeks of the statue
from water, but that they could have gotten there from the rain.
His experience starts when he and his friend go out to the cemetery to look at the statue. They
shine their car lights on the statue to see it and then turn off the car and go look at it. Apparently "her
eyes are kind of glowing and her mouth is glowing a little bit too ... as if it was like stitched shut or
something, these like glowing lines or like a line between her lips." John was scared, showed his friend
who became scared as well, and they both jumped back in the car and turned back on the lights. They
• turned the lights off again and noticed that the statue was glowing more, and so decided that it must be
glow-in-the-dark paint or something on the statue.
I believe John told this story for the same reasons he told the first. He wanted to let the hearer of
the story (me) know that there was a possibility that this statue really cries, and he never really clears
that up. He justifies it as not being so scary because the statue was just painted and the stains were from
rain. I believe he told this story to indicate that he believes that supernatural things do occur, but that he
either doesn't believe in them, or has never experienced them himself. All three of his stories dealt with
why things were scary, even if there really was no "proof' of why it should be so (i.e. no supernatural
happenings at those locations).
I next collected stories from Kevin. He had three first hand accounts of the Alumni House on
campus and then just a retelling of the legend of the Caine Lyric Theatre ghost. The way Kevin told his
• stories is dramatically different than the way that John told his. Kevin's stories were not told to impress,
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rationalize, or anything like that. They were told as fact, not as something to scare others.
• His first experience in the Alumni House, dealt with his computer. He was working in a room
that had two computers. While working on one computer the other started playing music, when he wen
to turn it off it turned offby itself and then turned on again after he had returned to his seat. It turned
off shortly after. All Kevin said of the experience was "kinda weird." He has no explanation of why this
happened except that, maybe, there might be a ghost in the Alumni House, but he wasn't sure. The way
Kevin leaves out all dramatics and fantastical words in his story, allows the listener to believe
everything he says. Nothing is said in a way to make the story feel scary, it simply is by the way he tells
it nonchalantly.
Kevin's second experience in the Alumni House, for many, is more terrifying than the first. For
many believers this story would be proof of a ghost (if not ghosts) in the Alumni House. Kevin tells of
hearing voices upstairs while working downstairs. When he went up the stairs the voices stopped. He
• looked in the office where the voices had come from and then heard them move into another office,
where he checked and once again found nothing. He said it sounded like two people having a
conversation, but at a distance. Once again his explanation for the happenings, nothing but that "it was
kinda weird."
His last experience in the Alumni House also dealt with things acting out of the ordinary. The
shredder in the office next to his started running while no one was in there. He went into the office and
it stopped. He looked around for someone, but there was no one there. He went back into the office
with the paper shredder and it started going again. This story is also told with little terrifying emotion
and almost as if it's not strange for things like that to be happening. In fact he calls the events "weird
disturbances", not hauntings or any of the like.
So why did Kevin tell this stories? And why did he tell them in the way he did? First off, I
• believe that Kevin, like John, was putting himself in his place in the world and trying to find some sort
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of organization for the past events (Jackson, 188). Kevin had no explanation for why things happened
• as they did at the Alumni House. He did, however, characterize himself by indicating that these things
didn't scare him; almost as if he acknowledges them happening but disproving that they were caused by
a ghost because he doesn't believe in them (although he never states his beliefs on the paranormal).
Next Kevin told me the legend of the ghost at the Caine Lyric Theatre. The story is that a
traveling acting company came to the theater and during the play Hamlet, one grave digger gets more
laughs than the other. According to legend, the funnier grave digger never shows up for work the next
day and is never heard from again. It is believed that this actor was murdered and his ghost now resides
at the theater. He is a picky ghost and when someone sits in his seat he makes all things go wrong with
the performances that night.
This story is popular in Logan, and I have heard it told from many different people. Many
people tell it in a way that makes the theater less inviting to go to. Others tell it with more skepticism in
• their tale. I found that Kevin, however, told it just like he did his first hand accounts; as if nothing was
strange about a ghost in a theater.
The legend itself has much potential for study. It is very popular in Logan, and could be
classified as an urban legend. Similar to many of the vanishing hitchhiker stories, the ghost in the Caine
Lyric Theatre is always in the same location, experienced by many different people, and is protecting
something that is important to him. Many of the vanishing hitchhikers just want to make it home, or
complete the task they had set out to do. So too does the ghost in the Caine Theatre want to complete
his task. He wants to be in control of the stage, hold the audience in his hand, and he does (Brunvand,
24-46).
One interesting side note about the Caine Lyric Theatre legend is that of the play that the actor
was in. The ghost that resides in the theater was playing a gravedigger in the Shakespeare play of
• Hamlet. The story of Hamlet is about a man who is murdered, who comes back as a ghost, to avenge
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his own death. The ghost in the Caine Theatre was supposedly murdered, who has come back and who
• will avenge his death on any unsuspecting audience, by ruining their show when someone sits in his
seat. Could this legend just be drawing motifs from Hamlet, or are the two stories coincidentally nearly
identical? Kevin, nor anyone else who has told me the legend, has ever mentioned anything about it.
The last person I collected stories from was Ryan. Neither one of his stories were first hand
accounts, but rather second hand accounts; he knew the person it had happened to. Although this kind
of legend telling is different than the last two legend tellers, it is equally as affective in telling the story
and getting its meaning across.
The first story Ryan told was of how the Junction eatery on campus has a haunted basement.
According to Ryan a lady died in the basement and haunts it. He claims to have had a coworker who
refused to go in the basement alone because he was so afraid of it. Although Ryan never stated if he
believed the story was true or not, the way he describes his coworker as being, there is an indication
• that he believes that his coworker, at least, experienced something strange enough in the basement for
the legend to have some basis, and to pass it on.
The next story he told was that of an experience of some friends of his. Apparently one night
they took a trip up to the Nunnery (another famous legend in Logan) to check out the area. They were
playing in the empty pool when they claim to have seen, in the dark shadows of the deep end, a baby
crawling or walking around. They were more scared, when they came back, than Ryan had ever seen
them. He indicated that they weren't the type of people to "show fear or anything like that", implying
that their experience must have happened.
So why did Ryan tell these stories? Why not tell one of his own? Jackson discusses why people
tell other peoples stories, and I believe Ryan was following just as Jackson says. Ryan "populated an
event [he] knew little about with sufficient detail to make it more affective and dramatic so it would do
• what {he] wanted or needed it to do" (Jackson, 24). Ryan was telling his friends account so that he
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could prove that the Nunnery really is a scary place. There was no need for a back story in this case;
• most everyone in Logan knows the story of the Nunnery. So the strange event that took place there
simple added to the intensity of the legend.
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All in all these three men told stories that helped them locate themselves, and their believes, in
the world. They indicated to the listener, who was a believer in ghosts and the paranormal, and who
was not. They included stories about going to a certain location (legend tripping) and legends about
locations that they may not have been to themselves, but each story had a location attached to it.
Legend tripping and telling of legend tripping will continue for years to come. Each time
something new or strange happens at a legend location that legend becomes more alive and it continues
to grow in the area. This living legends become a part of everyday life for those who have experienced
them. They are a conduit for story telling and belief rationalizing. And they will live on forever.
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Bibliography
Brunvand, Jan Harold. The Vanishing Hitchhiker: American Urban Legends & Their Meanings. W. W.
Norton & Company: New York, London. 1981.
Goldstein, Diane E. Haunting Experiences: Ghosts in Contemponuy Folklore. Utah State University
Press: Logan, Utah.
Jackson, Bruce. The Story Is True: The Art and Meaning of Telling Stories. Temple University Press:
Phi Ii delphia. 2007.
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My name is Holly Williams, I'm here with Ryan Kimball, it is May 4, 2010 .
My name is Ryan Kimball, I am 29 and I was born July 17th 1980. I'm a computer engineer. And I am
roommates with Holly's fiancee.
C9 This story was told to me by a coworker. So I worked with a guy at the Junstion up on campus and he
claims that there was a lady that haunts the basement of the Junction where the coolers and freezers are.
And he was so convinced of that that he was afraid to go down there by himself and so he was one of
the chefs there. And we would go down and get stuff for him and accompany him to the basement
when he had to go down there. And I guess the story is that this lady died down there or something and
haunts it.
And this other one I was, actually some friends of mine went up to the nunnerY to check it out. And I
guess there's a pool there, at the nunnery. And they were playing around in the pool, it was empty of
course. And they looked at one of, the opposite end, I guess as it got deeper and kind of in the shadows
down there, they saw, it looked a baby kind of crawling around or something. Anyway, I don't know
exactly kinda what the baby or whatever they saw was doing. They like came back, and they were like
scared out of their minds the rest of the night. Like they were like really scared, I haven't seen them like
that, ever, because they're pretty, I don't know, not the type to show fear or anything like that. So they
were pretty scared .
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My name is Holly Williams today is May 4,2010 and I am here speaking with Kevin Crouch.
My name is Kevin Crouch. I am 26 borne on March 30th 1984. I'm a student. I know Holly from work
and I am roommates with her fiance.
Well the first one, because it happened to me. I work at th~lumni House on campus and there's been
several occasions where I've been there working late at night. And I had kind of unusual things happen.
I've never been able to determine if there's a ghost, like if there's any kind of back story, but I wouldn't
be surprised if there is some kind of paranormal things going on. One night I was there working late
and I had, in my office there are two computers, and I was working on one, and I had the other up with
Pandora running and I had paused that to concentrate on something on the other computer. And in
doing so, I went back and was working on the other computer, and the other computer had gone into
like a sleep mode. And all of the sudden I heard a noise and turned around and the computer had come
out of sleep mode and had started to play music again off of Pandora. And when I got up and walked
over to the computer, it paused again and went back into sleep mode. And then, when I went to sit
down again it ~ame ba~k up and started playing musi~ again. And then went ba~k into sleep mode
again, kinda weird. Another experience, I was there late and had gone downstairs for something. When
I was coming back up the stairs, in the office I work in, it sounded like I could hear voices talking. And
I came upstairs and I didn't have, none of the computers were on or anything, but I could here these
voices. And when I came upstairs, the voices kind of stopped for a minute but then they went into
another office and so I went over to that office and looked and nothing, and then the voices
disappeared. It just sounded like two people having a conversation, kinda, it sounded like at a distance.
But it was kinda weird. And the last experience I had, I was working, and we have a paper shredder in
another office, next to mine, by where the copier is. And I was working, and I thought I was there
working by myself, and all of the sudden the paper shredder starts going. And I thought, oh maybe
someone else is here, so I got up and I went in. And no one was in the room but the paper shredder was
going and then it stopped. And so I looked around the comer to see if anyone was there, no one was in
the building. And then when I came back into that office, the paper shredder started going again. So
just kind of weird disturbances kind of things. I don't know. I'm still trying to figure out if there is any
kind of story, per say, of there being a ghost that presides at the Alumni House. So that's story one.
The ~t story I've heard from friends that have worked down at the Caine Theatre. They say that there
was, that there's a ghost there. And the story behind that was a traveling acting group that would come
through. And one year they came and they were doing Hamlet. And in Hamlet there's the grave digger
scene. And the two grave diggers are kind of this comic relief duo. And one of the grave diggers was
getting a lot more laughs than the other grave digger. And the story that I've heard is that there were
kind ofjeleousy issues going on with that. And the next day the grave digger that was getting more
laughs the night before didn't show up for work and supposedly no one saw this person again. And it's
was believed that maybe this individual was murdered and their ghost now haunts the theatre. And the
ghost has a certain seat he likes to sit in, in the balcony and they leave that seat open for him Because
when someone sits in his seat, performances that go on have a lot of issues that arise. Lights that
become unplugged, sound systems that don't work, a lot of unusual technical issues that arise. And so
they try and leave that seat open for this ghost that apparently resides at the Caine Theatre and
apparently likes watching shows in his favorite seat.
So those are kind of two stories I have. ----
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My name is Holly Williams it is May 4,2010 and I am talking to John Reynolds
Hi I'm John Reynolds I am 28. I was born on January 16th of 1982 and I am self empolyed and I am
Holly's fiancee. I am also from Logan, and so I know several stories. I'm going to start with a story r, ~
about the Logan High old boys gym. V
There used to be a gym at Logan High that had a label on the front that said Brigham Young College.
And it was built inlike 1820, no not that early, like 1890 or something like that. Anyway, the gym,
when I went to high school was actually haunted. It had a pool underneath that had a big crack going
through it and so it was not working anymore, obviously. And it used to work when I was little. I used
to go swimming in it a lot, my dad was a teacher at Logan High, and he would take us and I was always
so scared because there were all this scary paintings of like clown faces in the bathrooms and stuff and
it's just the freakiest place with all these bare pipes everywhere and just like rusty cement walls and
everything. Probably the scariest place you could ever find yourself in. Not to mention it's underground
and so it's completely pitch black, really scary. And there were all these stories about people seeing
ghosts down there because students had drowned in the pool. I don't exactly know the story about the
drowning but I just know a lot of people would talk about how they heard voices or sounds from that
basement. So anyway, one day me and my friends we decided to go watch a scary movie in the old
boy's gym, we didn't watch it downstairs, we watched it in the gym part and we're sitting there
watching the movie in this gym and we start hearing all these creaking noises coming from like the
back where it was all dark. And everybody was freaking out. And I was just thinking "it's probably just
the heater ducts moving" because the heaters would turn on and you know how metal expands when it
heats up and it makes noises. So I didn't think anything of it, I wasn't scared at all. But then all the
sudden we heard this loud crash noise of metal and everybody just dispersed and ran right out the door,
wetting their pants. And my friend and I we were like "oh no the TV's still in there" so we went back in
and grabbed the TV and brought the TV out and everyone was just like "I'm out of here" because we
were so freaked out. Even I like, my heart was just like, that was not the heater making noises, it was
like something moved in the back in the dark and made this loud noise and we were freaking out. And
we're sitting outside in front of the school wondering what to do and it turns out that these guys were
setting up for like a school dance downstairs in the pool to have like their dinner in the pool downstairs
for the school dance or something and they were just trying to get in the door and stuff. But that was
really scary. I'll never forget that. The old boy's gym is torn down now and it doesn't exist anymore so I
was pretty lucky to be able to experience the haunted old gym, old boy's gym before they tore it down.
Another story I have is one that I learned in, probably about 2004. I have a friend of mine who was (9
really into ghost stories around here and he was like, "John", he went to high school with me also but I
was in college at the time. And one day in the student center he was like "John I have this new place."
He started telling me about all these other new stories that he knew about, but he was like "there is this
one that is the ultimate scariest place I've ever been to in this area." And so he told me the story and he
told me where it was and so here's the story:
On the west side of the Valley in PetersboIDugb there is this house that kind of stands alone and it
belonged to the family, the Chase family. And there was a father and a mother and their children had
already moved out, they were older, and they had already moved out. And the father was a working
man still and one day, Mary his wife, his name was John and his wife's name was Mary, Mary
disappeared one day mysteriously. And they couldn't find her anywhere. They searched and searched
and they even looked through, you know, through, they looked everywhere they couldn't find her. And
so after years, they just, she remained on the missing persons list and to this day she is still on the
missing persons list. This was probably about in the 70s I think. So they didn't know, they never found
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her. Then one day, John, the father, he started like talking to himself and kind oflost his mind over
time. And his coworkers talked about how they'd heard him talking to himself sometimes and they
could hear him talking to himself inside of his house. They thought that was kind of weird. And then
one day at work John told his coworker that he was going to go join his wife, that he knew where she
was and he was going to go join her. But he was kind of acting weird and he didn't know what to think
of it and then he disappeared. They couldn't find him anywhere. So they looked everywhere and they
found his EI Camino crashed into the Benson Marina, which is a body of water, it's not very deep,
maybe like 4 feet deep max. And so they combed the Marina looking through the water for a body and
they couldn't find a body anywhere. So they couldn't really close the case, so to this day, John also
remains on the missing persons list. And they took the car and dragged it back on the property and the
car is still up there on the property.
So my friend told me, you know, just go up there, and you'll be, everyone will be freaked out because
it's the scariest place ever. So I told them this story, there aren't really any ghost stories, this is just the
story of what happened, very real story. And we, so I took some people up there and I didn't really
know how to get there so I went there in the middle of the day to try to find it, like at noon. And just so
that I wouldn't ruin the whole feeling when I'm like fumbling around trying to find this house at night
time because it's harder to fmd. So my friend gave me the directions, he said that if you're going west,
just past the train tracks you take a right on this road and then you take the second left and go up this
hill. And about part way up the hill on your right side you'll see this lone house, that's kind of nestled
against some trees and it's this really old house made of stone. And so I went up there and it really was
pretty easy to find. And I saw this house and I started driving up the drive way through this alfalfa field
and I got up next to the house and I was going to get out and maybe walk around, check it out. But my
heart was just racing. Mid-day, I couldn't stay there more than two minutes, no more than a minute. Just
immediately I put into reverse and drove away as fast as I could because the house looked so scary .
And so that night I took my friends there. One of my friends started crying as soon as the car lights like
shined on the house, she started crying and people were freaking out, no one would get out of the car.
Usually when I took people there nobody would get out of the car, let alone go inside of the house.
Once in a while I would get a daring group that would go inside of the house. And inside of the house
you'll fmd clothes allover the floors, upstairs and downstairs, really old clothes like old timey
suspenders and stuff. There are like dishes on the counters. There are like beds. It's as if they just left
the house as is and and took off. There weren't any couches there, I assume people took the couches,
but the beds are still there. There was even dishes on the counter. The fridge is like, you can tell it's
from the 70s, trying to all futuristic, you know those round fridges? You go upstairs and there are beds.
And upstairs in one of the rooms there's this creepy children's wallpaper that's like half tom off the wall
with these like paintings of children with empty eyes and stuff, really scary. All the windows are
boarded up so it's completely dark inside. Anyway, it's the scariest house ever. ~
The other story, I have this other experience. The same friend that told me about this house told me
about, we decided to go check out the Weeping Wj.Q.ow one day, and this was when I was in high school
also. So we went up to the Weeping Widow and the story, there are a lot of stories behind the Weeping
Widow, but the one that we were kind of focusing on was how basically she just had several children
that died in their infancy and they were all buried. And then when she was buried with the children,
they had this statue put up of this lady crying, and so hence she's called the Weeping Widow. The story
goes that on a full moon, I think it's just every full moon you can look and see her crying, from her
eyes. Or maybe it's, yeah I'll just go with that, every full moon you go up to her and you can see her
crying from her eyes that are carved out of the granite. So we went up there and we had car lights
shining on the statue and everything and we're looking at the statue, in the Logan Cemetery, and you
know she's not crying or anything. But you could see streaks down her face from her eyes, where the
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stone is stained from like water. So clearly the water runs down that part of her face. So we're like
"that's kind of spooky, I wonder if rain just runs down that part of her face" or whatnot, I don't, you
know, very speculative, not believing. And so I'm looking at the face really carefully and I noticed that
her eyes are kind of glowing and her mouth is glowing a little bit too, as if it had, as if it was like
stitched shut or something, these like glowing lines or like a line between her lips. They were like
glowing and I was like, I like jumped back a little bit and like shuddered, and I was like "oh my gosh"
and so I kind of looked to see if it was like the stone was reflecting somehow off of the lights in the
background down the street. And I looked and they weren't, it was like truly glowing, it wasn't a
reflection. So I like grab my friend and I was like "come over here", my hearts like racing, I was like
"what is this? Do you see this?" and he like looked and he was like, and he jumped back, and he was
like "oh my gosh!" and he got so scared. And we went and turned the lights back on from the car,
because during the time the lights were off. We went, got back in the car, turned the lights back on for a
while, and freaked out a little bit. And then we decided to go look at it again. And then we turned the
lights off again and it was glowing even more after that. And so we think that maybe someone put some
glow in the dark stuff on her face. But who knows, we'll never know. Anyway that's my story .]]> Digitized by : Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library.]]> Digitized by: Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library.]]> legends (folk tales);]]> application/pdf;]]> 6345470 Bytes]]> eng]]> Text;]]> Logan Canyon (Utah); Cache County (Utah); United States;]]> 1970-1979; 1980-1989; 1990-1999; 20th century; 2000-2001; 2000-2009; 2010-2019; 21st century;]]> Home Interior;]]> Kyawh Eh]]> Van de Water, Wes 1988-]]> Digitized by : Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library]]> Gill, Meagan]]> Photographs;]]> image/jpeg;]]> 1254988 Bytes]]> Image; Still Image;]]> 2010-2019; 21st century;]]> Hanks, Bethany--Photographs; Gill, Meagan--Photographs]]> Aye Win]]> Van de Water, Wes; 1988-]]> Chit Moe]]> Digitized by : Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library]]> Gill, Meagan]]> Photographs;]]> image/jpeg;]]> 1429678 Bytes]]> Image; Still Image;]]> 2010-2019; 21st century;]]> ]]> image/jpeg]]> eng]]> StillImage]]> image/jpeg]]> eng]]> StillImage]]> Utah State University -- History -- Pictorial works; Utah State Agricultural College -- History -- Pictorial works; Merrill Library -- History -- Pictorial works]]> Photographs]]> Unknown]]> Utah State University Libraries]]> Image/jpeg;]]> Image; StillImage;]]> 20th centuy; 1930-1939;]]> Utah State University -- History -- Pictorial works; Merrill Library -- History -- Pictorial works; Library circulation and loans -- Utah -- Logan -- Pictorial works]]> Photographs]]> Unknown]]> Utah State University Libraries]]> Image/jpeg]]> Image]]> 20th centuy; 1950-1959;]]> Utah State University -- History -- Pictorial works; Merrill Library -- History -- Pictorial works; Academic libraries -- Circulation and loans -- History -- Utah -- Logan -- Pictorial works; Utah State Agricultural College -- History -- Pictorial works]]> Photographs]]> Unknown]]> Utah State University Libraries]]> Image/jpeg]]> Image]]> 20th centuy; 1930-1939;]]> Herald Journal; Cache Valley Electric Co.; Huppi and Yeates Plumbing and Heating; Bullen's; Mitchell Motel; Salt Lake Tribune; USU Football]]> Utah State University Libraries]]> ]]> Schaub and Haycock; Jack Parson and Sons Const. Co; Asphalt Products Co.; Pacific Finance; Leven's; Jack's Tire and Oil; Hale's Arctic Circle; Bridgerland Photo; USU Football]]> Utah State University Libraries]]> ]]> Hatch Insurance Agency; the Sportsman; the Textbook; Jack's Tire and Oil Co.; Hy Whitney Appliance and Home Furnishings; Hale's Arctic Circle; USU Football]]> Utah State University Libraries]]> ]]> Agricultural extension work--Utah--Riverdale; Home economics extension work--Utah--Riverdale; Boy's Club (Riverdale, Ut.); Girl's Club (Riverdale, Ut.); Jacobs, M.K., Mrs.--Pictorial works]]> application/pdf]]> eng;]]> Text;]]> Weber County (Utah);]]> 1910-1919; 20th century;]]> CVGM volunteers]]> Weeping Widow; Utah State University; Logan; Cemetery; folklore; legends; memento mori]]> Benjerman Dean Crosland; collected by Derek DeCesare; Emily Crumpton editing]]> Utah State University]]> Legends;]]> legend-tripping;]]> To the editor:

After living here peacefully for over 30 years, for some unknown reason I suddenly find myself the victim of several consecutive nights of harassment and vandalism, including screaming and pounding on the house, outdoor planters upset and damaged, large boulders landing in the driveway, etc. While I have appreciated the quick and professional response of the authorities, I am somewhat baffled by being told by two different government and law enforcement officials that “Tuesday nights are the worst because that’s the night for scouting and other youth activities at the church.” Perhaps because I’m not of the local culture, the connection there escapes me, but what does seem clear is that there must be some parents out there unaware of what their kids are doing, and I appeal to them for help.

Another factor may be the unfortunate message, misinterpreted or not, that seems to have been sent by the recent events at St. Ann’s, that teen-agers can do anything they want without fear of any consequences or accountability. This is not fairly preparing teens for their future in the real world and is definitely a problem for the rest of us in the meantime.

Jerry Benbow
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Newspaper hasn’t told whole story
To the editor:
It was with disbelief that I read the first article of the incident at St. Anne’s retreat. Who were these guardsmen, and what were they protecting?

My mind began to wander. Was it a drug ring? Were they members of some militia movement?

My disbelief quickly turned to disgust after watching the local news reports. Wait a minute! We haven’t heard the whole story. And isn’t that a reporter’s job? To get the story? The whole story?

You gleefully told us in great detail the accusations made by the teen-agers, while glossing over the fact that they were knowingly and willingly breaking the law. They didn’t just stumble across private property. Every single one of them knew as they were climbing through tall, locked chain-linked fences topped with razor wire and huge signs clearly stating “No Trespassing” that they were breaking the law.

Funny how the other side of the story is coming, not from your reporters, but by editorials and letters to the editor. Somebody at the Herald Journal is not doing their job!

The teen-agers and their parents were quick to whine and run to the press when they felt their rights had been violated. They failed to mention the actual “prank” or the “criminal act,” as it should appropriately be called, they were about to inflict on the property, its owners and the guardsmen that surely wo7uld have violated their rights!

The parents of these teen-agers have obviously failed to teach them right from wrong and the difference between “having fun” and breaking the law.

Maybe that comes from the attitudes expressed by some of these parents downplaying their children’s involvement by calling it a “prank.”

Some of these parents participated in similar “pranks” while they were in their youth. Perhaps if these same parents had been held accountable and taught the seriousness of their actions back then they wouldn’t be downplaying their children’s actions today.

Quit treating these teen-agers like they are the victims, or worse, like they’re the heroes. They haven’t done anything heroic.

I cannot condemn or condone the actions of these guardsmen. I can only imagine how I would have reacted to having 38 people breaking and entering my home in the middle of the night.

Stopping and detaining them would be a challenge. How does one do that? We do have the right in this country to protect our lives and our property. Thank goodness no one was killed.

It is ironic that the guardsmen will be legally responsible for the choices they made that night, while the teen-agers, who knowingly made the choice to break the law, are set free with no accountability whatsoever. I guess whining really does pay.

And now a suggestion to those teen-agers who were involved. Unfortunately, the charges against you were dropped. But if you would like to right those wrongs started by you, how about returning to St. Anne’s retreat, legally this time, and putting in some hours of community service repairing the damage inflicted on that property over the last couple of decades.

Maybe then this whole awful, scary and upsetting incident will be put to rest on a positive note.

Cindy Thompson
Logan

Incident a black eye for law enforcement

To the editor:
This incident in the canyon really put a black eye on some of the Sheriff Department (deputies) for their handling of the situation. Some of our friends say maybe they’d better take a refresher course at training school so they know whom and when to arrest.

Look at the scenario, police called, on arrival they find crying teens, ropes around their necks, handcuffed, with men standing over them with guns and knives, a definite hostage situation, same thing as the night before. So arrest the hostages, charge them with criminal trespassing.

Shouldn’t it be the other way around? Men with guns arrested and taken into custody and the names of the teens taken. Did they have a problem identifying the criminals? Or, as quite a few people are now suggesting, buddies of some officers?

But they go to church, one report said, fine, upstanding men. Tell me about it!

Charges should not be so hard to find. Child molesting, child abuse, death threats, kidnapping (because some of these young people had not entered the gate but were forced to enter, guns held to their heads).

If no action is taken against these men, consider what a dangerous precedent it sets. When you go to hunt, fish, hike, picnic, Halloween, some crazed landowner with a no-trespass sign could terrorize you. But maybe if such a thing happens, the right people will be arrested, charged and prosecuted.

If $100,000 damage had been done by vandals, as claimed by the owner, nothing would be left worth guarding, especially with guns, because it was stated they only paid $120,000 in the first place. How easy to justify their actions and shirk responsibility for this terror on young people.

Blame the young people for things they did not do and classify all of them as destructive and bad. These young people who came there Friday night are good, decent kids. They did not destroy his property and did not deserve the crazed treatment they received at the hands of some morons and at the hands of officers who were supposed to be in control of the situation.

I read the sheriff is trying hard to determine if these groups of frightened young people had threatened the lives of the gun-toting men. Come on, get real.

Faye Johnson
Benson

Guards roughed up by zealous media

To the editor:
The recent incident at St. Anne’s retreat brought to mind problems my husband and I endured with some youthful trespassers when we were first married.

A group of neighborhood kids continuously climbed the apple tree in our back yard and ascended to the roof of our house. They considered it their private playground. They would run around there having a grand dime until discovered.

Our pleadings, threatenings and entreatings that they could get hurt or cause damage to our roof fell on deaf ears. Their response was, “But where will we play?”

There was a public park within a block of our home with a fine playground. So the issue wasn’t really where could they play, but where else could they find excitement, danger and challenge doing something they shouldn’t, while trying to avoid getting caught?

Finally we did the only thing we could do to salvage our sanity, the roof and to keep someone’s child from ultimate serious injury. We cut down the tree. It shouldn’t have had to be.

The father of one of the “St. Anne’s 30” was reported to have said during TV coverage that if the owners wanted to keep the kids out, they could have found a better way. And what, pray tell, wo uld have been a better way? An electric fence, vicious guard dogs or land mines?

Although I can’t recommend all the actions taken by the guards, I can certainly understand their frustrations. With determined trespassers making it difficult for the caretaker to fulfill his responsibilities, and with previous vandalism and threats, can’t we understand his trepidation when 30 trespassers (the age of North Korean soldiers in my husband’s war) penetrated the security fence at 10 p.m. How are those guards to know if these night invaders onto private property were intent only on “having fun?”

These trespassers could have learned a valuable lesson concerning the law: “Want the consequences of what you want.” The incident could have been an effective deterrent for future lawbreaking fun-seekers. Instead, all charges against the teens, have now reportedly been dropped, eliminating those consequences for their actions.

Once the guards have been thoroughly manhandled by a zealous media and by a legal system seeking to appease angry parents, local floodgates will be opened, not just at St. Anne’s, but everywhere. IT’s going to take more than “No Trespassing” signs to stem the tide of disrespect for law and property.

If special consideration is to be given to trespassing teens seeking fun at someone else’s expense, then shouldn’t special consideration also be given to guards who reacted in the performance of duty to extenuating circumstances resulting from an incident they did not precipitate?

Janice H. Keeler
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Mountain Crest High School
Mountain Crest Folklore Archives
Logan, Utah
Folklore
Instructor: Brad Gibbons
Fall 2012

Accession Number: -----------------
Total Number of CDs in Project: 1
Equipment Used: RCA Digital Voice Recorder VR5320R
Class: Folklore
Quarter & Year: Fall 2012
Instructor: Brad Gibbons
Interviewer: McCall Hoggan
Address:
Informants: Sarah Allison Harris, Jana Hoggan, Jill Froehle, Jared Hoggan
Brief Description of Project: Started out to find out infonnation about the Logan Canyon
Nunnery, but quickly got into stories about Ouija Boards and other Paranonnal Experiences.
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Field Collection CD Cover Sheet 11
Informant Release Forms 111
Collector Release Form XVI
Table of Contents XV11
Cover Essay (Analysis) XV111
• Works Cited XXIX
Autobiographical Sketch xxx
List of Informants XXXI
Transcription w/Cover Sheets 1-13

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LOGAN CANYON NUNNERY AND PARANORMAL EXPERIENCES
COVER ESSAY
Is the Logan Canyon Nunnery haunted? We may never know, but after my brief research
maybe we'll have a better idea of what the answer is. I interviewed 2 people who had been to the
Nunnery, and two people who just had strange paranormal stories to tell. The two people who
had gone to the Nunnery, both said they didn't see anything to make the place seem haunted
besides their own fear that came only because they were expecting something scary .
The Nunnery's real name is St. Ann's Retreat; it was first used as a summer retreat for
two wealthy New Yorkers and their families. They had many guests who came to stay, including
the Czar of Russia. It was later used as a summer retreat for the Nuns in the 1950's and later as a
Children's Catholic Camp. The property has 21 total buildings on it, which include two larger
lodges, six smaller cabins, a pool house, a playhouse, and the swimming pool.
The classic myths of the Nunnery are usually quite similar and go something like this:
One of the Nuns got pregnant and to try and save her reputation and keep her faith she gave birth
and then drowned her new born baby in the swimming pool outside. After doing this she could
no longer live with what she had done, so she killed herself in the main lodge. Another story is
that the Nuns were getting pregnant by the Priests and then drowning their babies in the
swimming pool. There are many different variations of these stories .
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Some of the things that are supposed to happen when you go to the Nunnery late at night
are that if you go by the swimming pool and wait you will hear the crying of newborn babies
about to be drowned. Another is if you go into the main lodge and walk through the building you
will see the ghost of the nun who killed herself.
"You know we didn't see the nun walking around like some people say they do, so we just
basically did the tour, scared ourselves, and took off. "
-Jared Hoggan
I personally think that the stories were just made up, and that it's just a bunch of old
buildings. I do however think it would be a really cool place to see in the day
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WORKS CITED
http://www.deseretnews.com!artic1e/640196655/Legends-surround-St-Anns­Retreat.
html?pg=all
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AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH
McCall Haylie Hoggan was born September 3, 1995 in Logan, Utah. She lived in a condo in
Black Hawk until she was three, when her parents divorced she lived with her grandparents in
North Logan, Utah. She moved to Nibley, Utah in the second grade with her father and step
mom. At this age her two aunts told her many scary stories, helping her realize she enjoyed the
thrill of being scared. She attends Mountain Crest High School where she is a junior in Mr.
Gibbons Folklore class. She has heard many stories of and about ghosts, but has not yet seen one
for herself. She loves to hear stories of the paranormal but, usually isn't interested in going to
sites where known ghosts are located. When she is not at school she enjoys taking naps, spending
time with friends and family, fine dining, and occasionally traveling.
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LIST OF INFORMANTS
Sarah Allison Harris: Allison is my mom, she works at State Farm and is a student getting her
Masters Degree at Utah State University. She has lived in Cache Valley most of her life, and is a
graduate from Logan High School.
Jana DeVone Hoggan: Jana is a graduate from Utah State University, she has lived in Cache
Valley her whole life, where her back yard led right into the River Heights Cemetary. She is
currently moving to Nome, Alaska where she has ajob in Juvenile Probation.
Jillian Marguerite Froehle: Jill was born in Cache Valley her sister is Jana Hoggan, they
played the Ouija Board together at their home in River Heights. She now lives in Nome, Alaska.
Jared Bradley Hoggan: Jared is the oldest brother of Jill and Jana, and is also my dad. He has
lived in Cache Valley his whole life. He has not been quite as into the paranormal as his sisters.
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TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET • CD Track: 1
Interviewee: Sarah Allison Harris
Place of Interview:
Date of Interview: October 28,2012
Interviewer: McCall Hoggan
Recorder: McCall Hoggan
Recording Equipment: RCA Digital Voice Recorder VR5320R
Transcription Equipment: Microsoft Word • Transcribed by: McCall Hoggan •
Transcript Proofed by: McCall Hoggan
Brief Description of Contents: Allison describes the time she went to the Nunnery and the
things that happened while she and her friends were there.
Reference: MH= McCall Hoggan (Interviewer)
AH= Allison Harris (Interviewee)
NOTE: Pauses during the interview such as "Umm H are not included in the transcription.
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MH: Ok, when did you go to the Nunnery?
AH: When I was 16.
MH: Ok, do you remember what time of year it was?
AH: It was fall.
MH: So it was cold?
AH: It was a little bit cold, it hadn't snowed yet.
MH: Why did you go?
AH: Well, because my friends and I had heard lots of stories about it like that it was haunted. We
heard that one of the nuns that had lived there got pregnant and drowned her baby in the
swimming pool to hide it. Umm and so we just, everyone talked about it and it wasn't gated off
and like how it has barb wire now it wasn't like that then, you could just walk through the gate
and walk up there so we wanted to go check it out just to scare ourselves kind of.
MH: Ok, umm who did you go with?
AH: My friends umm, trying to think everyone who was there when we actually went inside the
building, cause we went a couple times but there was only one time when we were actually brave
enough to go inside the building. I think my friend Jenny was there and Jake and J.R.
MH: Umm, what happened once you got to the nunnery?
AH: Well like I said we'd been there before, just we wanted to look at the swimming pool. And
we hadn't dared to go inside the building, so this time we were like we're gonna go in the
building and walk around.
MH: Was the swimming pool inside?
AH: No, the swimming pools outdoors. But so we'd been to the swimming pool before, but this
time we had a flashlight and we're like we're gonna go inside and like explore. And ,what's the
question? Sorry I forgot
MH: What happened once you got up there.
AH: Okay, so we decided to go in so we're walking around in there umm just it was scary kind
of because we'd scared ourselves not, I don't really think it's a scary place I don't think its
haunted I just think that we were scared. And we were walking around and our friend Jace who
had been waiting in the car like he was like "I'm not going in you guys are crazy." Umm he
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came up after we had gone in and like did something to scare us like he made this loud noise
outside, we freaked out everyone ran out of the building except me and I was there alone.
MH: Why didn't you run out?
AH: Ugh, I don't know I didn't know everyone was gonna leave. I left after I realized everyone
had gone.
MH: Ok, is that all?
AH: Umm ya, and I ran back to the gate like where he was parked cause I was scared.
MH: Umm would you ever go back?
AH: Oh ya, I'd like to go back in the day time just to see what it's like. I don't think its haunted.
MH: I want to go there too; I think it would be cool.
AH: So ya, I'd like to go back just to check it out.
MH: Ok.
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TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET
CD Track: 2 & 3
Interviewee: Jana DeVone Hoggan
Place of Interview:
Date of Interview: November 1, 2012
Interviewer: McCall Hoggan
Recorder: McCall Hoggan
Recording Equipment: RCA Digital Voice Recorder VR5320R
• Transcription Equipment: Microsoft Word
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Transcribed By: McCall Hoggan
Transcript Proofed by: McCall Hoggan
Brief Description of Contents: Jana tells some stories of X whom she talked to on her
Ouija Board, and ofthe possible ghosts that she heard in her home.
Reference: MH: McCall Hoggan (Interviewer)
JH: Jana Hoggan (Interviewee)
NOTE: Pauses during the interview such as "Umm" are not included in the transcription.
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MH: Ok, can you state your name?
JH: I am Jana.
MH: Where are we right now?
JH: We are at my house, in Logan Utah.
MH: Ok. So have you personally played with an Ouija Board?
JH: Yes, I have on many many occasions.
MH: Ok. (Phone Rings) Where did you play with the Ouija Board?
JH: I have played it in my bedroom at myoid house in River Heights, I've played it in friends'
houses, in cemetery's, in various places that we thought were maybe haunted, we would go play.
In those experiences there was one common person that seemed to always come to the board
when we would be trying to talk to people, his name was X he was supposedly the Devils right
hand man, usually whenever we'd be talking to someone or like a spirit he would come and take
over like half way through. He could just kick them off the board and take over the conversation;
he had a very distinct way of spelling things and so we could always tell when he had taken over.
MH: What do you mean by that?
JH: Because he commonly misspelled and abbreviated words, he had never actually been born so
he didn't really learn how to read and write through like a school setting. And so he just spelled
things the way they sounded, which so typically he spelled a lot of things wrong. And then
whenever we talked to spirits who had actually lived, they could spell better and were easier to
talk to than him.
MH: Who was usually with you when you talked to X?
JH: My sister, J~ll, and my friend Zandra were always with me.
MH: K. How old were you when you started using the Ouija Board?
JH: I was 16 and I only had it for about a year, just because I ended up getting rid of it because I
decided I didn't like it.
MH: What made you decide to get rid of it?
JH: After we kind of the excitement of playing it started to die out, I kept it under my bed and
when it was under my bed for about 3 weeks I was having really weird bizarre dreams about
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death and dying and serpents and it was kind of scary. And I kind of chalked it up to the Ouija
Board, so I got rid of the Ouij a Board and I had never had those dreams since I got rid of it.
MH: Hmm, so.
JH: Can you like fast forward it to ...
MH: Its recording ..
JH:Oh
MH: Its ok, so back to X do you remember anything specific things that he would say to you?
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JH: Not necessarily to me, it seemed that he had a crush on my sister which is why whenever she
was around and we were playing the Ouija Board is why he would come in and take over. Ifwe
ever started playing and she was gone to the bathroom or something that's when we would get to
talk to somebody else. As soon as she would enter the room he would take over, and he always
wanted to talk to her. I can't remember some of the specific things that he would say to her, but
kind of that he was waiting for her to die so that he could be with her.
MH: He said that?
JH: Uhh- huh, and it was just really creepy it got to the point with him where he was so, because
he was a very powerful spirit where he was supposedly you know, pretty high up on the devils
list that where he was able to overtake other spirits and kick them off the board and he would
make weird things happen every once in a while. But it got to the point that Jill wouldn't play on
the Ouija Board anymore because it was just getting to weird because he was so powerful and so
possessive that we were afraid something would happen if she continued to play, so she just
observed for a while. Some ofthe weird things that would happen, is like one time we had a
bunch of candles lit and we had asked X when he had taken over the board to show us a sign that
he was as powerful as he said he was. And right when we asked him to do that the candle that we
had at the head of the board shot up really big and all the other ones dimmed down really low for
like just a second then it went back to normal. And we asked him if that was him messing with
the candles and he said yes. And then we told him on another occasion that we wanted a sign and
right when we asked him that, a door slammed outside and there was no wind there was no one
out there, there was no reason for the door to slam especially as hard as it did. And then he once
again took credit for that also when we asked if it was him, he said it was.
MH: Did you ever see him in person, or thought that you saw him or any of the ghosts that you
talked to?
JH: No, well not I don't know not that I know of, I know there's an incidents in my parents
house after we played the Ouija Board where Jill saw somebody she thought it was me, I was not
home no one else was home. But she said she was in the bathroom brushing her teeth, and
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someone came down the hallway to the bathroom and said her name and she said you know she
kind of put her finger up in the mirror and said you know hold on just a second cause she was in
the middle of brushing her teeth and she got done brushing her teeth, she went out there and
there was nobody downstairs, nobody in the house, nobody was home. And she called me to see
if I had come home and left, and I had never been home. And so Jill may have seen him, and that
was about probably the only time except for I used to wake up to sometimes when I would hear
people talking in the hallway but there would be nobody there. But I don't know necessarily who
it was, but I could always hear a man and woman talking in the hallway on several occasions I'd
wake up in the middle of the night and I could hear them.
MH: Were they loud, or quiet?
JH: It was enough so I could hear them but I couldn't make out what they were saying, cause
they were in the hallway outside my bedroom door. And then, because ya where I don't know
exactly what X looks like the one time I thought I saw a spirit, I don't know if it was him or not
but it was really scary. I was laying in my bed and it was one of those weird half-awake half
asleep things, and I dreamt that I watched my bedroom door open cause I always slept with my
bedroom door closed. And in my dream my bedroom door had opened, well then in real life I
rolled over and opened my eyes and there was a man standing above my bed like looking down
at me and I gasped because I was scared and then he like disappeared. And I sat there forever and
I know I was awake when it happened and but that was the only time I ever saw that man, which
could have been him. I don't know, it was really scary though.
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TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET
CD Track: 5
Interviewee: Jill Froehle
Place of Interview:
Date of Interview: November 1, 2012
Interviewer: McCall Hoggan
Recorder: McCall Hoggan
Recording Equipment: RCA Digital Voice Recorder VR5320R
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Transcribed By: McCall Hoggan
Transcript Proofed by: McCall Hoggan
Brief Description of Contents: Jill tells about her time playing with the Ouija board and going
to the Ogden cemetery to see Florence. She even talks a little about what some people think are
aliens in Alaska
Reference: MH= McCall Hoggan (Interviewer)
JF= Jillian Froehle (Interviewee)
NOTE: Pauses during the interview such as "Umm " are not included in the transcription.
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MH: Ok, so have you ever had a paranonnal experience?
JF: Yes, many.
MH: Ok can you tell me about any of them?
JF: One in particular that stands out is probably when I was in high school me and my friends
like sometimes just for fun would play on the Ouija Board and there was like you know we heard
weird things about the myths of the Ouija board and anyways supposedly that only bad spirits
could actually or neutral spirits could actually speak through that. And anyways there was one in
particular that would always usually talk to us and his name was X, and in the spirit world he
supposedly was pretty high up there on the, on who was in control on the other side. Or at least
who has somewhat power on the other side, but anyway so his spirit for some reason took a real
attachment to myself and we'd been told from people with experience in the Ouija board that a
lot oftime spirits will be drawn to a person with a very innocent spirit or a good spirit and to be
honest usually when we played the Ouija board I was always saying prayers in my head because
you know I'd get really nervous of the unknown and bad things can really happen. Anyway
during this time, there was one day that I was in, in my home and I was downstairs in our
basement and I was alone down there, or at least I thought I was. And anyway I was in the
bathroom with the door open, and I was brushing my teeth. And in our bathroom downstairs
there's a mirror, a huge mirror above the sink and then, so then you know as your brushing your
teeth you can see out into the hallway behind you. And then there's another mirror, and so the
mirrors can catch you know reflections of each other. Well anyway, when I was brushing my
teeth I heard my name, I heard somebody say my name. And I look up and I just see this
silhouette of a figure and it, it resembled a male figure and I assumed it was my younger brother
at the time, Lance. And I held my finger up to say one minute you know, just give me a minute
I'm brushing my teeth ill be done. So anyways when I got done brushing my teeth I went into
Lances room at the time and nobody was there, and you know the lights were off and I thought
well ok maybe he went upstairs. So I went upstairs to see what he needed, and it turned out I was
the only one home and nobody was home, and nobody had been home. And so it really freaked
me out because you know who or what was it that said my name. And that I could see, and you
know see a figure of. And at that time I kind of related it to that maybe it was that spirit that we
had you know talked to on, on the, on the Ouija board.
MH: Is that the only time that you felt like you saw something, or?
JF: No, I always felt like growing up I always saw things or heard things. But I could never
explain them, and, and sometimes you know theres people that do studies on, on people that for
some reason have people from the other side that are drawn to them, its something that usually
happens to them all their life and you know I always noticed it where ever I went or where ever I
lived. I would usually catch something out of the comer of my eye or I'd hear things, I remember
being young and being upstairs in my parents room and I could hear voices talking to each other
like a man and a woman. I could never tell what they were saying, but I could hear them and I
remember turning off the TV to make sure it wasn't the TV, you know like background noise.
And putting my ear to the floor and could hear people talking down stairs, but nobody was there .
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And then even as I got older, you know I would hear or see things and you know I finally got to
the point though where you know I learned, that you can either draw them more to you by
focusing on that sixth sense that you may have, I believe everyone has that if people start using
theirs and figuring out how to use it and trying to getting in touch with it I think then they can
and are able to connect with whatever is going on the other side, or energys of some sort in this
world. Because you know we know very little about our brains and the capability of what we can
do with them, and we use very little of them. And so anyways my point is, is that as I was getting
older I started to push those notions out of my head and to distance myself from wanting that
connection with the other side. Or not wanting to have that connection and I would say now that
I'm a lot older I don't have those things happen to me because I am not in tune with that side of,
of my soul or spirit anymore.
MH: Ok, so have you had anything paranormal happen to you since you moved to Nome? Or
does nothing really happen anymore?
JF: I don't, I don't think anything has happened up here. I'm trying to think back, I know that
being up here its so different when you have darkness for, for a lot of the time such as in the
winter only getting four hours oflight. I remember well just being outside seems very eerie here,
and there you know are things that go on here that are unexplained. People disappear, people
vanish up here but, there was even a movie based on it. But it was their own theory, but if you do
any type of research on Nome, they do have 20 its standing now I believe at 24 or 25 people that
have never been found. They just vanish, they have, every, everybody, the FBI even has come up
here to investigate what goes on, and everybody has their theory, but I don't believe they know
for sure since they don't have any evidence of what happens to these people. But I for myself up
here or since I've moved here have not had any paranormal experiences, but I haven't for a long
time as I said. Probably you know a while ago they stared to not let my, inner spirit connect to
that other side, and not, because I was always tired of being afraid, or of being, or seeing things I
didn't want to see or catch out of the corner of my eye, or hear things.
MH: So, would you want to tell me about the time when you went to the Ogden cemetery?
JF: That is probably one of the most vivid experiences I've ever had, and that even as I've grown
older and more skeptical of those kinds of things, that is one thing I cannot deny that I, that I did
see with my own eyes. It was, I was in, again I was in high school and some friends there was
five of us and we'd gone to the Ogden cemetery and because there was this supposed spirit that I
mean the corny part was that if you flashed your headlights three times, this spirit would appear
and walk you know towards the vehicle and the two guys at the time that had gone, that had said
they had seen it and then took myself and two other friends along. You know we wanted to see it
for ourselves, we, we believed them but to a point. Because you never believe those things unless
you see it for yourself, and anyway so we went and we drove down to Ogden you know it was 2
a.m. or something and we drove into the Ogden cemetery and we backed up into this corner and I
think you kind of sat diagonal. One of the guys was driving and then, I don't remember who was
sitting in the passenger's side, but I just know I was sitting in the back in the middle so I could
see directly you know between the passenger and driver in front of the car. And we sat there and
they flashed there lights and we sat there for like an hour, and nothing happened. And so you
know while we were sitting there in the dark we were just talking you know as teenagers do, we
have lots to talk about and anyway so then we decided oh we're gonna give it five, ten more
minutes and then we'll go home. Cause we hadn't seen anything, and I don't know ifit's because
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we started talking about like death and how you know we'd want to die, or how we wanted to be
buried, or how you know if that, if that ever happened to us and as we were talking about it all of
a sudden probably, probably ten feet in front of the car there was this three flashes, like on the
ground. A green yellowish glow and it just went FLASH FLASH FLASH! Really quick and we
were, we all saw it, and we, we were all like "did you see that?" "did you see that?" "oh my gosh
what was that?" "what was it?" and you know it like, even right now telling it the hair on my arm
starts raising. Because it takes me back to that point of being afraid of something you don't, you
can't explain, or don't know what it is. And so we sat there a little longer and within a couple of
minutes it happened again, and It just FLASH and then but it stayed. And then all of a sudden
this figure started to rise out of the ground and you could, it was a woman and you could see her
as, you could see every detail. As she rose up you could see her hair and it was long and flowy,
and then she had this gown on like, a gown from you know the 1900' s you know more of a old
style vintage gown and it, anyway when she started to rise up which you know I, I started
screaming. I was scared to death, I was terrified that if she started walking towards the car like
the myth is said too, my fear was I have these, I'm in the middle and I have these people sitting
next to me and what if she possesses one of them. And I just started screaming "START THE
CAR!" "START THE CAR!" "GET OUT OF HERE!" "GET OUT OF HERE!" And everybody
else was screaming and the guy that was driving he started the car, and I remember he turned on
his lights and you could see almost this silhouette and what was even scarier was that we had to
drive through her to get out, and we did, and I was terrified absolutely terrified. Because I could
not explain it, it was a translucent figure but you could see everything. You could see her eyes,
her nose, her mouth, her like I said her hair was long and wavy and, and as we drove back to
Logan you know one of our friends she wanted to go back, she wanted to go back and sit there
longer, and I refused, I refused I never wanted to go back, and I never wanted to see that again.
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LOGAN CANYON NUNERY AND PARANORMAL EXPERIENCES
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Jared Hoggan
Place of Interview:
Date ofInterview: November 5,2012
Interviewer: McCall Hoggan
Recorder: McCall Hoggan
Recording Equipment: RCA Digital Voice Recorder VR5320R
Transcription Equipment: Microsoft Word
Transcribed by: McCall Hoggan
Transcript Proofed by: McCall Hoggan
Brief Description of Contents: Jared tells about the time he went to the Nunnery.
Reference:
NOTE:
MH= McCall Hoggan (Interviewer)
JH= Jared Hoggan (Interviewee)
Pauses during the interview such as "Umm" are not included in the transcription.
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MH: Its November 5, we're in Nibley Utah, its 7:00 at night and I'm interviewing Jared about
the time he went to the Nunnery. Can you tell me about it?
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JH: Va, I was in high school it was probably fall, like September. And a group of friends from
high school who had always wanted to go up there, and check it out cause we had heard the usual
stuff.
MH: What's the usual stuff?
JH: Like that it used to be a, a nunnery or a convent or something for nuns, a summer retreat.
And one of the nuns was supposedly pregnant and drowned her baby in the pool to cover it up
and shortly after they closed it down. And it sat empty for a long time, anyway so a bunch of us
decided to go up there, and you go across a, you go across a bridge across the Logan River and
then down a long wind, you know dirt road down to it. And it was all over grown with trees, and
really kind of spooky at night, and we were there and it was dark. And so we walked down and
there's a big pool, swimming pool outside, and kind of a big building like kind of a, I don't know
what you'd call it just kind of a place where they could gather, and then there was three or four
cabins, smaller cabins around the big building. We went in you know went through it and looked
around, people were trying to scare each other. And that's about it you know it's definitely a
place I'd like to see again especially in the day light cause I bet it's really pretty all the
craftsmanship and the cabins and stuff was really nice, at one time it was a really pretty pretty
place. It was kind of surprising that they would just let it go, and you know let it get so run down
and beat up. There was a lot of graffiti from people who had been in there before us and lots of
damage, broken down doors and stuff like that. You know we didn't see the nun walking around
like some people say they do, so we just basically did the tour, scared ourselves, and took off.
MH: So you don't think its haunted?
JH: No. I don't think its haunted, I think it's pretty cool.]]> Digitized by : Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library.]]> Digitized by: Utah State University, Merrill-Cazier Library.]]> McCall Hoggan]]> legends (folk tales);]]> application/pdf;]]> 7093002 Bytes]]> eng]]> Text;]]> Logan Canyon (Utah); Cache County (Utah); United States;]]> 1990-1999; 20th century;]]> Dirt roads--Utah--Logan Canyon--Photographs; Logan Canyon (Utah)--Photographs;]]> image/tiff;]]> 16893732 Bytes]]> eng;]]> Image;StillImage;]]> Logan Canyon (Utah); Cache County (Utah); Utah; United States;]]> 1890-1899; 1900-1909; 1910-1919; 1920-1929; 1930-1939; 1940-1949; 20th century;]]> Logan Canyon (Utah)--Photographs;]]> image/tiff;]]> 2142664 Bytes]]> eng;]]> Image;StillImage;]]> DNO-4140Cache005.jpg]]> Logan Canyon (Utah); Cache County (Utah); Utah; United States;]]> 1900-1909; 1910-1919; 20th century;]]> logan, cemetery, grave, death, burial, utah state, university, exhibit, memento mori]]> Mikkel Skinner; Shay Larsen]]> Dylan Burns]]> Eng]]> memento mori; funeral imagery; death; mourning imagery; cemetery; headstone; Logan; Utah; Devin Greener]]> Devin Greener; Emily Crumpton editing]]> Utah State University]]> ]]> memento mori; funeral imagery; death; mourning imagery; cemetery; headstone; Logan; Utah; Devin Greener]]> Devin Greener; Emily Crumpton editing]]> Utah State University]]> ]]> memento mori; funeral imagery; death; mourning imagery; cemetery; headstone; Logan; Utah; Devin Greener]]> Devin Greener; Emily Crumpton editing]]> Utah State University]]> ]]> memento mori; funeral imagery; death; mourning imagery; cemetery; headstone; Logan; Utah; Devin Greener]]> Devin Greener; Emily Crumpton editing]]> Utah State University]]> ]]> memento mori; funeral imagery; death; mourning imagery; cemetery; headstone; Logan; Utah; Devin Greener]]> Devin Greener; Emily Crumpton editing]]> Utah State University]]> ]]> memento mori; funeral imagery; death; mourning imagery; cemetery; headstone; Logan; Utah; Devin Greener]]> Devin Greener; Emily Crumpton editing]]> Utah State University]]> ]]> memento mori; funeral imagery; death; mourning imagery; cemetery; headstone; Logan; Utah; Devin Greener]]> Devin Greener; Emily Crumpton editing]]> Utah State University]]> ]]> memento mori; funeral imagery; death; mourning imagery; cemetery; headstone; Logan; Utah; Devin Greener]]> Devin Greener; Emily Crumpton editing]]> Utah State University]]> ]]> memento mori; funeral imagery; death; mourning imagery; cemetery; headstone; Logan; Utah; Devin Greener]]> Devin Greener; Emily Crumpton editing]]> Utah State University]]> ]]> memento mori; funeral imagery; death; mourning imagery; cemetery; Logan; Utah; Devin Greener]]> Devin Greener; Emily Crumpton editing]]> Utah State University]]> ]]> memento mori; funeral imagery; death; mourning imagery; cemetery; Logan; Utah; Devin Greener]]> Devin Greener; Emily Crumpton editing]]> Utah State University]]> ]]> memento mori; funeral imagery; death; mourning imagery; cemetery; Logan; Utah; Devin Greener]]> Devin Greener; Emily Crumpton editing]]> Utah State University]]> ]]> memento mori; funeral imagery; death; mourning imagery; cemetery; Logan; Utah; Devin Greener]]> Devin Greener; Emily Crumpton editing]]> Utah State University]]> ]]> memento mori; funeral imagery; death; mourning imagery; cemetery; Logan; Utah; Devin Greener]]> Devin Greener; Emily Crumpton editing]]> Utah State University]]> ]]> USU Homecoming; Logan High School; marching band]]> Utah State University Libraries]]> ]]> Smith, Ralph, 1835-1914--Diaries; Mormons--Utah--Logan--Diaries; Mormons--Cache Valley (Utah)--Diaries; Mormon Church--Utah--Logan--History; Frontier and pioneer life--Cache Valley (Utah and Idaho); Mormon pioneers--Cache Valley (Utah and Idaho)--Diaries; Mormon pioneers--Cache Valley (Utah and Idaho)--Biography; Logan (Utah)--History; Cache Valley (Utah and Idaho)--History; Smith, Thomas Watkin--Biography; Mormon temples--Utah--Logan; Mormon converts--Biography;]]> Smith, Ralph, 1835-1914;]]> image/jpeg;]]> eng;]]> Text;]]> SCAMSS0046Bx004Fd130.pdf]]> Logan (Utah); Cache County (Utah); Utah; Cache Valley (Utah and Idaho); Idaho; United States;]]> 1870-1879;]]>