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To the editor:&#13;
1. Trespassing, looting and vandalism have a long-term problem at St. Anne’s and other canyon properties.&#13;
2. Two groups of teen-agers admittedly trespassed within 24 hours, seeking a thrill as their excuse. They got what they went after.&#13;
3. The trespassers initiated the whole affair by their admitted trespassing, the caretaker “reaction” with the background of vandalism in the past was to be expected, but was taken seriously enough for charges to be filed by the county attorney against the caretakers. Their actions will be heard in a court of law. &#13;
4. The actions of the caretaker, “if proven to be criminal” do not excuse the trespassers of their illegal behavior. “One can not justify his bad conduct by the bad conduct of another.” The trespassing teen-agers should answer to the laws for their behavior regardless of the caretaker’s actions. They are two separate issues. &#13;
5. Our local attorney’s statement, “every teen in Cache Valley” went up to St. Anne’s for the thrill of it, is not true and doesn’t justify the illegal behavior but speaks volumes on her guardianship of law and order.&#13;
6. Teen-age drinking, a keg of beer in the canyon and fast driving are all done for the “thrill” but are illegal and not accepted by society.&#13;
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To the editor:
1. Trespassing, looting and vandalism have a long-term problem at St. Anne’s and other canyon properties.
2. Two groups of teen-agers admittedly trespassed within 24 hours, seeking a thrill as their excuse. They got what they went after.
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5. Our local attorney’s statement, “every teen in Cache Valley” went up to St. Anne’s for the thrill of it, is not true and doesn’t justify the illegal behavior but speaks volumes on her guardianship of law and order.
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CACHE VALLEY REFUGEE ORAL HISTORY PROJECT&#13;
TRANSCRIPTION COVER SHEET&#13;
Interviewee: Tun Lay&#13;
Present: Tun Lay, Bethany Hanks, Chit Moe, Wes Van de Water, Meagan Gill&#13;
Place of Interview: Tun Lay’s home in Logan, Utah&#13;
Date of Interview: May 16, 2015&#13;
Language(s): Pwo Karen; English&#13;
Translation:&#13;
Interviewer: Bethany Hanks&#13;
Interpreter: Chit Moe&#13;
Recordist: Wes Van de Water&#13;
Photographer: Meagan Gill&#13;
Recording Equipment: Tascam DR-100mk11 linear PCM recorder; Senal ENG-18RL&#13;
broadcast-quality omnidirectional dynamic microphone&#13;
Transcription Equipment: Express Scribe with PowerPlayer foot pedal.&#13;
Transcribed by: Susan Gross, May 17, 2015&#13;
Transcript Proofed by: Bethany Hanks, May 18, 2015&#13;
Brief Description of Contents: Tun Lay describes his life as a Karen refugee. He talks about&#13;
his life in Burma during war, and the hardships placed on him by the Burmese military in trying&#13;
to earn a living as a farmer. He explains how he escaped from Burma to Thailand refugee camps,&#13;
and how he eventual brought his wife and child to live with him there. Tun Lay recounts his&#13;
experiences in various refugee camps (including fleeing villages burned by Burmese military, his&#13;
religious path, and family), and also how he eventually came to the United States (first Salt Lake&#13;
City, Utah; followed by Logan, Utah). He discusses how he came to live in Cache Valley, Utah,&#13;
and how he has adjusted to living and working in the United States.&#13;
Reference: BH = Bethany Hanks&#13;
BHI = Bethany Hanks’ words interpreted by translator&#13;
TL = Tun Lay&#13;
TLI = Tun Lay’s words interpreted by translator&#13;
WV = Wes Van de Water&#13;
WVI = Wes Van de Water’s words interpreted by translator&#13;
MG = Meagan Gill&#13;
MGI = Meagan Gill’s words interpreted by translator&#13;
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BH: Okay. Today is May 16, 2015, and this is Bethany Hanks with Wes Van de Water and&#13;
Meagan Gill. We are students at Utah State University, and we are working on a project&#13;
called “Voices: Refugees in Cache Valley.” Right now we are visiting Tun Lay in his&#13;
home, in Logan, Utah, and Chit Moe is our translator.&#13;
So, first of all thank you, Tun Lay, for letting us come here into your home.&#13;
BHI: [Repeating statement in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
BH: First, I would like to know what is your full name, and your birth year?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: My name is Tun Lay and I was born in 1958.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Oh, 1954. I’m sorry, 1954.&#13;
BH: Okay. Thank you.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And May 28th, 1954.&#13;
BH: Okay, thank you. And what languages do you speak?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: He speaks Karen, Pwo Karen and Burmese, but right now we are speaking Pwo Karen.&#13;
BH: Okay; so not Burmese?&#13;
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TLI: No, it’s not Burmese.&#13;
BH: Okay; very cool. Can you tell me about your family?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Yes.&#13;
BH: So, do you have other family members?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: He has a family here, but not relatives.&#13;
BH: Oh, okay. So you have family here, but not relatives? So like you have a brother and&#13;
sister, or I don’t know if I quite understand?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: I have a wife [laughs] –&#13;
BH: Oh, okay.&#13;
TLI: And three children – one is married (and he is in Arizona), and the other two live with&#13;
me.&#13;
BH: Wow, so they live here?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Yes, two live with him, and the other one is in Arizona.&#13;
BH: Okay. Were your children – were they born here?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating the question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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TLI: No, none.&#13;
BH: None? Where did you live before?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating the question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Before I was in Burma in the city called Tun Aung; the name of the city is Tun Aung.&#13;
[Translator speaking to interviewer] Should I spell it?&#13;
BH: Yeah, how do you spell that?&#13;
TLI: Tun Aung (I think): T-U-N A-U-N-G. Tun Aung.&#13;
[Translator speaking to interviewee in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: P-U, actually. It’s P-U.&#13;
BH: P-U-N?&#13;
TLI: No, just P-U.&#13;
BH: Oh, just P-U?&#13;
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TLI: Pu Aung.&#13;
BH: Pu Aung.&#13;
TLI: That’s the name of the city.&#13;
BH: Wow. Can you tell me a little about this city?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Ever since I was born in that city, I grew up; when I got old I married to my wife, then&#13;
we moved to Thailand and now we’re in America. But I can tell you step by step of the&#13;
process of what I’ve been through.&#13;
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BHI: [Repeating remark in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Yeah, he is going to explain it step by step.&#13;
BH: Okay.&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So when I got married I had one kid.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So my occupation was being a farmer and raising cows and other animals.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Me living in the United States, there are difficulties here.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Oh, it’s still in Burma, actually (my mistake).&#13;
BH: In Burma?&#13;
TLI: Yeah. So we faced difficulties in Pu Aung, in Burma.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So in Burma there are difficulties, meaning we were in fear of Burmese military, and we&#13;
couldn’t do work freely.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So between Burmese military and the Karen military, they were in war and we were&#13;
really scared.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So we couldn’t do our work when there was a war because the Burmese military would&#13;
come to our village and take us as porters – you know, forcing us to do work for them.&#13;
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TLI: So if they couldn’t find us, they would go to our work place and kind of drag us to where&#13;
they wanted to take us; if not, they would come at night and just force us – just drag us&#13;
out of our house.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Living there was really difficult, and I couldn’t do any work; so moving around and I&#13;
ended up in Thailand.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: I was just following strangers, being stranded, and that’s how I got to Thailand.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So living in Thailand many, many years I have learned and found the U.N., which is a&#13;
great organization which helps the refugees: they give food and shelter.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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TLI: So from what I see from what I learned, I wanted my wife to come to Thailand in a&#13;
refugee camp. So I started telling her to do the same process, you know, asking strangers&#13;
for a ride, being stranded; and that’s how she also got to a Thailand refugee camp.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So living there many, many years I had two children.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So living there for many, many years again, we were given like a photo ID for living in a&#13;
refugee camp (like a permanent resident thing).&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So after a few years we learned that the UN were telling people that they could go to&#13;
other countries (like United States, Australia). And then they told us that we had to fill&#13;
out an application, and we did it.&#13;
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TLI: So many people in a refugee camp came to such other countries, and I was also one of&#13;
them.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So in June it will be –&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: In June 11th of this year it will be –&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: It will be seven years of my family living in Utah, in the United States.&#13;
BH: Wow.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Living here is very, very peaceful, happy for me and my family; I have work, I have&#13;
food, I mean, there is nothing to worry about (like being free, peaceful), you know, being&#13;
free.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: I am very, very happy, and I am very glad I am in this state and in this country.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So everything I was born living in Burma was really difficult, and there was many&#13;
difficulties; and there are many, many things that I have faced that I just can’t talk about&#13;
it all at the same time because there are just many, many difficulties.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And my family and I are very, very thankful to the UN, which they provided us food and&#13;
shelter; we are very, very thankful to them.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Yeah, being in Utah is the same thing: many people help us out, you know, getting us a&#13;
house (for example), and yeah –&#13;
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TLI: So when I first came to the United States I was in Salt Lake for a year, and now I am in&#13;
Logan for almost six years.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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TLI: And I am very happy for being in Logan, and I have a job in JBS, and I have worked&#13;
there for almost seven years.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Just like that.&#13;
BH: Wow. So you mentioned going from Burma to Thailand, and it sounds like you would&#13;
take rides from strangers. Can you describe a little bit more about maybe what the&#13;
journey was like going from Burma to Thailand?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So number one key is between Burma and Thailand, there were a lot of people who were&#13;
like transporter (I would say): they would do business across each country –&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Okay, some people would hire other people – I mean, some people would go to Thailand,&#13;
buy a lot of food, and then they would hire people and take it back to Burma and sell it&#13;
there.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: I was one of the people who got hired. I was carrying bags, you know, back and forth and&#13;
that’s how I got to Thailand.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And when I got to Thailand I saw Thai people, you know, they were hiring people to do&#13;
work, and I was one of the workers in there as well.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So from there, working there for a few months – as I was crossing from Thailand to&#13;
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people were telling me that, “It’s better here,” you know, “we have food; we are stuffed.&#13;
You should come and live over here.”&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And that’s when I tell my wife and my child to also come up to the refugee camp to live&#13;
with me.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And living there many, many years – that’s when that organization, they were you know,&#13;
taking applications; and that’s how I got here.&#13;
BH: Okay; wow. After you fill out an application, is it difficult to get into the camp – the&#13;
refugee camp?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating the question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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TLI: So there was no application to get to the refugee camp. What you do is that you go talk to&#13;
– so in the refugee camp there is a certain section where they put you in – you just go talk&#13;
to the leader, just talk to him or her, and then he would like take you to another person&#13;
who is like the leader for the whole camp. And then that’s when you started telling your&#13;
story, and that’s when they can tell whether you’re lying, or whether you’re telling the&#13;
truth and how difficult your life was; and that’s how they accept me to live in the camp.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So why they were asking me questions, you know, how my life was, I have to tell the&#13;
truth and later on they would have to, you know, figure out whether that’s the truth or&#13;
not. If it’s true, then they let me live in there; if not, then no.&#13;
BH: Okay. Was it difficult for your wife and your child to also come over?&#13;
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TLI: There was no difficulty for my wife and child to come to the refugee camp because I was&#13;
already there, and all I had to do was tell the leader – tell him that my wife is coming, and&#13;
he would be like, “Okay, that’s fine.” But the difficulty was for my wife and child to get&#13;
to the refugee camp – that was one of the difficulties. Because fortunately my wife speaks&#13;
Burmese, so sometimes she would speak in Burmese and people would think, “Oh, she’s&#13;
Burmese, just let her go.” And sometimes the military would think that, “Oh, this is a&#13;
very pitiful family, just let them go.” And that’s how they got to the refugee camp.&#13;
BH: Wow.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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BH: Hello.&#13;
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TLI: So for me and my family, on my way to the refugee camp, we have met with Karen&#13;
military, and they were very nice, very generous; they helped us –&#13;
[Tun Lay’s daughter drops something on the floor; she apologizes.]&#13;
TLI: You know, they help us get to another place and they were really nice.&#13;
BH: Okay. So was it dangerous at all – that trip from Burma to Thailand? I’m just wondering&#13;
if – because it sounds like you rely a lot on strangers – is that difficult to do, is that scary?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating the question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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TLI: So one thing is that once you reach the border between Burma and Thailand, it’s easier –&#13;
you can just walk to the refugee camp with nothing to worry about.&#13;
BH: Okay.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Once you reach Thailand border – you can either walk there or take a ride from the Thai&#13;
military, and you can just pay them $5 or $10.&#13;
BH: Wow. So can you describe for me a little what your surroundings were in the refugee&#13;
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BHI: [Repeating the question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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TLI: So when I was in the refugee camp there was a city called Kue Bong [??] (I don’t know&#13;
how to spell that), but Kue Bong –&#13;
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TLI: So you know, like I said, there was a city really close to the refugee camp; in that camp –&#13;
we lived there for a few years, and then Burmese military were coming and they burned&#13;
the whole village down.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And then we started, after the Burmese military were coming to burn our refugee camp,&#13;
we moved to another camp, which is called –&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: [Speaking to the interviewee in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Kue Bong was the first refugee camp that I was in, and after a few years the Burmese&#13;
military were coming, burned down the village; and then I got to another town which is&#13;
called –&#13;
[Speaking to interviewee in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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TLI: Kwe Ka Lu [??]&#13;
TL: Kwe Ka Lu&#13;
TLI: Kwe Ka Lu. K-something. Got it?&#13;
BH: Kwe Ka Lu&#13;
TLI: Um-hmm.&#13;
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TLI: And living there for one and a half years, the Burmese military were there again, and they&#13;
burned the village down and we started –&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So after when the Burmese military were coming and, you know, burning the village&#13;
down we got help from the UN. They took us over the mountains, and we started living&#13;
on a mountain – it’s called Umpium camp right now. A lot of Karen people were there as&#13;
well; it is on a mountain.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So I can still remember the year that I got to the Umpium camp – it was 1999.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So starting from 1999, I lived in the Umpium camp all the way until 2008; and that’s&#13;
when I started coming to the United States.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: June 11th, 2008, was the date I departed from the refugee camp.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And I lived in Salt Lake for one year, and now I’m here in Logan for six years.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Yep, that’s pretty much it.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Living here is really a good thing for me, you know; you can go anywhere you want, you&#13;
have a job. I’m really happy.&#13;
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BH: That’s good. Let’s see – so can you tell me a little about your first months here, in the&#13;
United States; and maybe the problems and the difficulties, but maybe also the good&#13;
things that you saw?&#13;
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TLI: When I first arrived in the United States my family, we were put in a house (like in an&#13;
apartment), and people were saying, “Later on, if you guys cannot pay the rent, you guys&#13;
will be kicked out.” And we were really worried, you know, and that was one of the fears&#13;
that we had in our first month. And after a few months we had to do like a community&#13;
service at CCS (in Salt Lake) where we had to go and give food to the people (I think&#13;
they are the homeless, I think that’s the service). And after a few months I heard about&#13;
the JBS and I came here, got a job, and that’s when I asked my family to move here.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: [Speaking to interviewee in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So you know, in that first month there wasn’t a lot to do; but on the second month, like I&#13;
said, I had to do service at CCS (it was fun), and I had to do it two days a week, and the&#13;
other two days was me going to school to learn English.&#13;
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English?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: No, not at all; my wife, my children – nobody knows English.&#13;
BH: Wow.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And I only know how to read Burmese, specifically.&#13;
BH: Wow. So did that make it difficult to interact with people when you first moved here?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating the question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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TLI: It wasn’t really difficult because I was speaking with other Karen communities; and if I&#13;
wanted to talk to an English speaker we had it translated.&#13;
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TLI: So there wasn’t any difficulties.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So if we wanted to go buy groceries, we would ask someone who came here before us,&#13;
you know, who has a car – and we would ask them to take us to buy food, groceries.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: [Speaking to interviewee in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So if we needed help with anything we would go to IRC (it’s also in Salt Lake) and they&#13;
have translators over there, you know; they have people that can help you with what you&#13;
need.&#13;
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TLI: Like I said, if we need help we can go to IRC, CCS or another place – it’s called DWS&#13;
(it’s Department of Workforce Services); and they also have translators over there, you&#13;
know. We would like ask someone who came before us to take us over there, or&#13;
sometimes DWS will come and pick us up personally.&#13;
BH: Wow.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So everybody surrounding me here – like all the Americans – they were really nice; they&#13;
helped us in many ways.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And that is why I am living here really happy, my family is really happy.&#13;
BH: That’s good.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
BH: So the reason why you moved to Logan was to work at JBS?&#13;
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TLI: Yes, that is correct.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So you know, when I was hired at JBS I worked there for one year. And then after that I&#13;
went back to Salt Lake and I told my family to move with me to Logan, in this apartment&#13;
(this house), and I haven’t moved ever since.&#13;
BH: Wow. So I wonder if you could describe for me sort of the differences in food? Maybe&#13;
some things that you used to eat in Burma, that maybe you can’t find here, or maybe you&#13;
can? Maybe just a little bit about the food of your culture.&#13;
BHI: [Repeating the question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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TLI: So I have no problem eating American food here – it’s better than what I used to eat back&#13;
there.&#13;
BH: Okay.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Yeah, there are more food here than back in the refugee camp.&#13;
BH: So what kind of food was available in the refugee camp?&#13;
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TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: There are many, many foods. One is rice – they gave us oil, and beans, and –&#13;
[Speaking to interviewee in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And peppers – chili; yeah, a lot of food – like food that is very sufficient for each family.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: They gave us food like once a month.&#13;
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BH: Okay. So what kinds of food do you like to eat now that you’re here, in the United&#13;
States?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: He said there are many; there is a lot of food in America (like chicken, fish) – I just, I like&#13;
everything.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.] [Laughs]&#13;
TLI: There are a lot of food, like – yeah, I just like everything.&#13;
BH: Okay. So I wanted to ask how people respond when they find out you’re from Burma? I&#13;
know you said in Salt Lake the people were really friendly, and so I just want to see if&#13;
that’s still the case, or if people respond differently?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating the question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So when I got to the United States, I mean even when someone asked me where I’m&#13;
from, “Burma.”&#13;
“Yeah, okay.” There wasn’t any negative thing.&#13;
BH: Okay, that’s good. Can you tell me a little about your home here, and how it’s different&#13;
from your home in Burma?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So it’s really different here, houses – to describe it, it’s perfect, you know. But in Burma&#13;
it’s very different, you have to build your own home; you have to use like bamboo to&#13;
build it. And you have to make your own walls, but they’re not tight walls and wind can&#13;
go through any time. It was really different from here.&#13;
BH: Wow. What would you like people in Logan to know about you, or your family, or your&#13;
ethnic group?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating the question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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TLI: He is not very clear on the question.&#13;
BH: Let’s see if I can ask it a different way. Is there anything that you would like to share with&#13;
the people around here that maybe they don’t know, or you wish they knew?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating the question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So I have a different message, you know: I want people to know – before that, I believe&#13;
in God, and I want people to know that one day everybody will have a chance to live in&#13;
heaven.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So I kind of asked him to make sure he understand that question, and –&#13;
BH: Um-hmm?&#13;
TLI: He said that there isn’t anything that he really wants to share because he feels that other&#13;
people, you know, (other American people) I’m sure they have faced many difficulty as&#13;
well (getting here) – maybe back in the day or something. So it’s probably the same&#13;
story.&#13;
BH: Okay. Would you ever be interested in going back to Burma?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating the question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: I’m very happy here. I do feel like going back, but I don’t want to go back because my&#13;
parents, my brothers – I don’t know where they are; in Burma, I don’t know where&#13;
they’re at and I don’t want to go back.&#13;
BH: Okay. What are you most proud of?&#13;
TLI: Here, or?&#13;
BH: Yeah, I would say what are you most proud of out of all of this: your experiences and&#13;
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BHI: [Repeating the question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: I’m very proud, you know, to live each day being healthy and being happy day after day.&#13;
So yeah, that’s what I’m really proud of.&#13;
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BH: Thank you. And do you have any dreams for the future – either for yourself, or for your&#13;
children?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating the question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: For me, my family, my children, my family, my wife – for my family – I don’t have any&#13;
dreams for us, but I do believe in God and I pray for us (for me and for my family) you&#13;
know, to be healthy, to stay happy. Yeah.&#13;
BH: Okay. I think those are all of my questions. But before we end, I just want to see if any of&#13;
my colleagues have one as well.&#13;
BHI: [Repeating statement in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Yeah, you guys can ask questions.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: If I know the answer, I will answer it; but if I don’t, I don’t.&#13;
WV: I’m just kind of curious who plays the guitar in the family – is that yours?&#13;
WVI: [Repeating the question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Yeah, I used to – every Sunday when I pray with my family – I used to play the guitar&#13;
every Sunday.&#13;
WV: Nice.&#13;
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TLI: According to my religion, my Bible, it said that when you’re praying, you know, when&#13;
you’re praying and asking for God’s help, you must play a song (you know, play with the&#13;
guitar).&#13;
BH: Wow.&#13;
TLI: And so I’m doing it every Sunday.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: I believe that – I know that we can’t see God, but I know God can help us in a way.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And how do I know this is because I am very healthy every day, and I have been doing&#13;
work here for almost seven years and I am very healthy – and I know that God is helping&#13;
me.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And at the same time I want to tell people that God is helping us, but if they want to&#13;
listen, then I can tell them; if you don’t want to listen, then I don’t have to tell them.&#13;
BH: Do you have any questions?&#13;
MG: Yeah. What is your favorite thing about Cache Valley? What is your favorite thing to do&#13;
here?&#13;
MGI: [Repeating question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: He doesn’t know what his favorite thing is. Is there an example you can give?&#13;
MG: Hiking, camping –&#13;
MGI: [Repeating statement in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.] [Laughs]&#13;
TLI: Yeah, I’ve never been hiking.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: But I would like to go one day.&#13;
BH: So actually, I thought of a couple more questions – if that’s okay?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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TLI: Yeah, that’s fine.&#13;
TL: [Laughs]&#13;
BH: Okay. So you mentioned the guitar, and playing music is an important part of your&#13;
religious observance – so I was just wondering if you could kind of describe your&#13;
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BHI: Community?&#13;
BH: Yeah&#13;
BHI: [Repeating question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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TLI: I know that every religion has different beliefs, and there are different ways how you can&#13;
pray to God; but my way is I read the Bible every day, and that’s how I understand God’s&#13;
word. I remember when I was in the refugee camp, you know, and living there for eight&#13;
years, I was going around to different religions, you know, listening to people giving&#13;
speeches. One day I met this priest, you know, he taught me many valuable things, and he&#13;
even asked me to be an heir priest – is that how you say it? Well, yeah.&#13;
BH: Like an apprentice?&#13;
TLI: Well to become the next priest.&#13;
BH: Okay; to be like the replacement after him?&#13;
TLI: Yes, yes. Yeah, he even asked me to become that – or if he has to go somewhere else,&#13;
you know, I’d be taking his position to do all the religious things in the church. Yeah.&#13;
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TLI: So there are lots of gods; Americans call him Jesus, but the thing is you need to know&#13;
which one is real, you know, which one is the real God.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So whether there are many gods, or just one God – if anybody want to listen, I can tell&#13;
them the story.&#13;
BH: If you want to share.&#13;
BHI: [Repeating statement in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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TLI: So there is only one God that I believe in, you know; he cannot be sick, or he can heal –&#13;
he can get all or any other things. Before anybody (any human being) exists, he lived here&#13;
before, and he created the Earth, trees, everything.&#13;
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TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Another type of God is who can die, who heals, and it is called –&#13;
[Speaking to interviewee in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And in Burmese it is called [Pwo Karen word]&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And the easier way to say is Pe Synga Piya[??]&#13;
BH: Pe Synga –&#13;
TLI: Piya. Pe Synga Piya. Yeah.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And he is a God that can die, and you know, and can’t heal people. And he is the God&#13;
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TLI: So the one person God – he created another person who is also God, but he can die.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: If it’s God Jesus – there is only one Jesus.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And he is everybody – for everybody’s God.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: He can’t die, you know, he can’t get old – he is the only one.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: There is a guarantee, you know, that if anybody believe that there is God, that one&#13;
particular person will be in heaven.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So if you believe God, you know, you have to follow his words; you have to read the&#13;
Bible, you have to do what the Bible says.&#13;
BH: So I have just one more question.&#13;
BHI: [Repeating statement in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: That’s fine.&#13;
BH: You seem very interested in religion, and so I was wondering if that was a part of your&#13;
life before you came to the refugee camp, or if that’s something that you really became&#13;
interested in once you got to the refugee camps?&#13;
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TLI: So I was really, really interested in God in the year 1999, and that was when I got to the&#13;
refugee camp called Umpium; and that was when I was really interested in religion.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: So in the refugee camp there are a lot of people who just go around the camp, you know,&#13;
telling stories, sharing God’s word, you know.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And I would go all over the place to listen to their speeches, you know; it can be night, or&#13;
it can be day.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Why I wanted to know that is because I believe God is good, and you know –&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And you know, like I say, I started listening to those speeches every day, and that’s&#13;
where I learned knowledge, you know, about religion.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And I understood a lot of words that – well, the speakers’ word.&#13;
TL: [Laughs]&#13;
BH: Very neat. So there were not very many people in Burma who spoke of these different&#13;
religions? I guess I’m just wondering why it was so prevalent in the refugee camp – was&#13;
it the same way in Burma?&#13;
BHI: [Repeating question in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: No; I didn’t see any in Burma.&#13;
BH: Wow.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Yeah, I started seeing it in the refugee camp.&#13;
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TLI: So when I was in Burma, I heard of such religions, but I had never seen it.&#13;
BH: Okay.&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: When I first got to the refugee camp, you know, I was asked, “Do you know God? Do&#13;
you know the real one, you know, the one that can heal, the one that can’t get old?” So&#13;
I’m like, “Well God is good, so yes – I want to know.”&#13;
TL: [Speaking in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: And now that I know a lot about God, you know, I do want to share it with people, to&#13;
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BH: So I think we are almost out of time, unfortunately – because we only have so much time&#13;
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BHI: [Repeating statement in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.] [Laughs]&#13;
TLI: Thank you.&#13;
BH: Thank you very much.&#13;
BHI: [Repeating in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TL: [Responding in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
TLI: Thank you.&#13;
BH: So I think that’s the end of the interview.&#13;
BHI: [Repeating statement in Pwo Karen.]&#13;
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              <text>Trio charged; kids off hook&#13;
By Ryan Robb Oliver&#13;
Staff writer&#13;
&#13;
Charges were filed this morning against the three watchmen accused of terrorizing two groups of trespassers at St. Anne’s Retreat on Oct. 10.&#13;
&#13;
By noon, Cache County Attorney Scott Wyatt also announced trespassing charges against the 38 juveniles and young adults were dropped.&#13;
&#13;
He said the decision to drop the charges came fr om the property owners, who were sympathetic to the what [sic] the trespassers said happened to them Friday at the hands of the watchmen.&#13;
&#13;
John Jeppson, Arthur Peasnall and Jeppson’s son-in-law, Christopher Doerr, have each been charged with six counts of aggravated assault. &#13;
&#13;
Aggravated assault is a third degree felony, and each count is punishable by up to five years in jail. &#13;
&#13;
“the basis for the charges is that the actions alleged far exceeded the authority granted to the gunmen by state law and the property owners,” said Wyatt, who filed this morning’s charges.&#13;
&#13;
On Oct. 10, 38 teen-agers and young adults were roped around the neck, handcuffed and forced to kneel in the retreat’s swimming pool when they were captured by the three shotgun wielding men for trespassing on the property. The trespassers claimed the men fired shotguns near them, and that the men threatened to kill them. One teen-ager said he was knocked unconscious and another claimed she was fondled. &#13;
&#13;
Cache County Sheriff Lynn Nelson said he will be putting together a warrant for the arrest of the three men today. He said he didn’t yet know when or where the men would be arrested, but he said there’s a possibility they may turn themselves in. &#13;
&#13;
Commentary&#13;
‘…the stuff heroes are made of’&#13;
&#13;
Editor’s note: Jake Jeppson [Jeppsen], older brother of John Jeppson [Jeppsen], the man accused of terrorizing Cache Valley teen-agers in two incidents at the former St. Anne’s retreat in Logan Canyon, has written the following commentary in defense of his brother. Jake Jeppson [Jeppsen] is a Brigham City resident employed at the Utah State University physical plant. His book of cowboy prose and poetry, “Give My Love to the Children,” is on file at USU Special Collections. &#13;
&#13;
By Jake Jeppson&#13;
&#13;
I am writing this as an answer to the recent articles and reports in the local media concerning my brother, John Jeppsen, who is the lead watchman at St. Anne’s Retreat. &#13;
&#13;
I feel it’s necessary to bring out some facts that have not been mentioned, and to say something about circumstances involved.&#13;
&#13;
1. It is my understanding that the shotgun shells which John had were loaded with rock salt. Years ago these were used for raiders of melon patches, hen houses, private outhouses or stray dogs. These to sting severely, not kill. &#13;
&#13;
2. A great to-do was made about the fellow that was knocked unconscious. Nothing is said about him coming up behind John to jump him during the arrests. John was an Airborne Ranger in Europe. Rangers are one of three groups of America’s finest fighting men. John was not, nor is he, a Vietnam vet (with mental and emotional problems), as earlier articles implied.&#13;
&#13;
3. Emotions? Name me as any man anywhere who would not be wound tight while arresting 38 people as big as himself in the darkness or poor light, alone, in Logan Canyon at that time of day? Especially in view of the monetary value of property damage at the site and the later made threats which I know were made.&#13;
&#13;
4. Nothing has been said about the threats made against John; i.e. “We’re coming back to get you.” &#13;
&#13;
5. There are inconsistencies in the young people’s stories. The Herald Journal stories say the trespassers were arrested just inside the gate. An article in the Statesman quotes a young man as saying “just as he jumped down into the empty pool.” Another was that the fellow who was knocked out was struck with a billy club. That man was struck with a bullstroke (military term), from the shotgun butt as he attempted to jump on John’s back. In other words, John did his job (a tough one) and got the attacker before he could get him.&#13;
&#13;
6. The rope and knots are a tool to contain and retain prisoners as taught to the Airborne Rangers. The knot is not a “slip-knot” nor a “hangman’s knot” as implied. It is a knot like the “bowline” used to tie boats or tie a horse “expressly) because the knot will not slip. The loop is tied loosely or semi-loosely as needed to hold. &#13;
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7. The owner of the property says he was “allowing John to stay there.” As if John was some homeless poor soul. John may have been staying there as part of their agreement, but he has a beautiful wife who is a fine woman, with whom he lives and they live with and care for our mother who is convalescing from a broken hip and joint replacement. The home they are living in is a very neat, clean and modern brick home in Providence with several bedrooms.&#13;
&#13;
Now about the vandalism which is occurring all over our area. I was on top of Logan Canyon yesterday and stopped to use the public restrooms near Peter Sinks. On the older building the door had been totally ripped off and destroyed. There were unspeakable things which had been done inside and outside the restrooms. This is common all over now. &#13;
&#13;
Several years ago there was a movie made called Walking Tall. It was a true story about a sheriff down south who was man enough to take on a corrupt system and individuals with his famous pick handle. He became a national hero. Two or three movies were made about his life.&#13;
&#13;
Then there are the Rooster Cogburns and Big Jake’s of John Wayne. We cheer these men, yet seek to destroy a man who is striving to do his job and enforce the right of property owners to have their property be secure. &#13;
&#13;
In Salt Lake City yesterday, a police officer was acquitted for shooting a dog while he was jogging. The owners were allowing it to run loose and get in trouble. Needless to say isn’t it lucky we don’t have such a law for kids and parents who cannot control their children and are embarrassed at the stunts they pull. I know, I have six of my own, two step-children and 22 grandchildren. Some of the finest people I know are also sharing this problem.  &#13;
&#13;
A remark was made in a commentary about the legends of St. Anne’s retreat, that a certain prominent attorney said he used to go up there when he was a kid, too. I don’t care if it was Thomas Jefferson, would that make breaking the law right? Or trespassing/vandalism?&#13;
&#13;
John may not have done everything perfect, but who could under such conditions. &#13;
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In my mind, John is a fine man, made of the stuff heroes are made of. If you think not—you try arresting 30 hell-raising young adults in the dark, lonely, middle of the night. &#13;
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By Ryan Robb Oliver
Staff writer

Charges were filed this morning against the three watchmen accused of terrorizing two groups of trespassers at St. Anne’s Retreat on Oct. 10.

By noon, Cache County Attorney Scott Wyatt also announced trespassing charges against the 38 juveniles and young adults were dropped.

He said the decision to drop the charges came fr om the property owners, who were sympathetic to the what [sic] the trespassers said happened to them Friday at the hands of the watchmen.

John Jeppson, Arthur Peasnall and Jeppson’s son-in-law, Christopher Doerr, have each been charged with six counts of aggravated assault. 

Aggravated assault is a third degree felony, and each count is punishable by up to five years in jail. 

“the basis for the charges is that the actions alleged far exceeded the authority granted to the gunmen by state law and the property owners,” said Wyatt, who filed this morning’s charges.

On Oct. 10, 38 teen-agers and young adults were roped around the neck, handcuffed and forced to kneel in the retreat’s swimming pool when they were captured by the three shotgun wielding men for trespassing on the property. The trespassers claimed the men fired shotguns near them, and that the men threatened to kill them. One teen-ager said he was knocked unconscious and another claimed she was fondled. 

Cache County Sheriff Lynn Nelson said he will be putting together a warrant for the arrest of the three men today. He said he didn’t yet know when or where the men would be arrested, but he said there’s a possibility they may turn themselves in. 

Commentary
‘…the stuff heroes are made of’

Editor’s note: Jake Jeppson [Jeppsen], older brother of John Jeppson [Jeppsen], the man accused of terrorizing Cache Valley teen-agers in two incidents at the former St. Anne’s retreat in Logan Canyon, has written the following commentary in defense of his brother. Jake Jeppson [Jeppsen] is a Brigham City resident employed at the Utah State University physical plant. His book of cowboy prose and poetry, “Give My Love to the Children,” is on file at USU Special Collections. 

By Jake Jeppson

I am writing this as an answer to the recent articles and reports in the local media concerning my brother, John Jeppsen, who is the lead watchman at St. Anne’s Retreat. 

I feel it’s necessary to bring out some facts that have not been mentioned, and to say something about circumstances involved.

1. It is my understanding that the shotgun shells which John had were loaded with rock salt. Years ago these were used for raiders of melon patches, hen houses, private outhouses or stray dogs. These to sting severely, not kill. 

2. A great to-do was made about the fellow that was knocked unconscious. Nothing is said about him coming up behind John to jump him during the arrests. John was an Airborne Ranger in Europe. Rangers are one of three groups of America’s finest fighting men. John was not, nor is he, a Vietnam vet (with mental and emotional problems), as earlier articles implied.

3. Emotions? Name me as any man anywhere who would not be wound tight while arresting 38 people as big as himself in the darkness or poor light, alone, in Logan Canyon at that time of day? Especially in view of the monetary value of property damage at the site and the later made threats which I know were made.

4. Nothing has been said about the threats made against John; i.e. “We’re coming back to get you.” 

5. There are inconsistencies in the young people’s stories. The Herald Journal stories say the trespassers were arrested just inside the gate. An article in the Statesman quotes a young man as saying “just as he jumped down into the empty pool.” Another was that the fellow who was knocked out was struck with a billy club. That man was struck with a bullstroke (military term), from the shotgun butt as he attempted to jump on John’s back. In other words, John did his job (a tough one) and got the attacker before he could get him.

6. The rope and knots are a tool to contain and retain prisoners as taught to the Airborne Rangers. The knot is not a “slip-knot” nor a “hangman’s knot” as implied. It is a knot like the “bowline” used to tie boats or tie a horse “expressly) because the knot will not slip. The loop is tied loosely or semi-loosely as needed to hold. 

7. The owner of the property says he was “allowing John to stay there.” As if John was some homeless poor soul. John may have been staying there as part of their agreement, but he has a beautiful wife who is a fine woman, with whom he lives and they live with and care for our mother who is convalescing from a broken hip and joint replacement. The home they are living in is a very neat, clean and modern brick home in Providence with several bedrooms.

Now about the vandalism which is occurring all over our area. I was on top of Logan Canyon yesterday and stopped to use the public restrooms near Peter Sinks. On the older building the door had been totally ripped off and destroyed. There were unspeakable things which had been done inside and outside the restrooms. This is common all over now. 

Several years ago there was a movie made called Walking Tall. It was a true story about a sheriff down south who was man enough to take on a corrupt system and individuals with his famous pick handle. He became a national hero. Two or three movies were made about his life.

Then there are the Rooster Cogburns and Big Jake’s of John Wayne. We cheer these men, yet seek to destroy a man who is striving to do his job and enforce the right of property owners to have their property be secure. 

In Salt Lake City yesterday, a police officer was acquitted for shooting a dog while he was jogging. The owners were allowing it to run loose and get in trouble. Needless to say isn’t it lucky we don’t have such a law for kids and parents who cannot control their children and are embarrassed at the stunts they pull. I know, I have six of my own, two step-children and 22 grandchildren. Some of the finest people I know are also sharing this problem.  

A remark was made in a commentary about the legends of St. Anne’s retreat, that a certain prominent attorney said he used to go up there when he was a kid, too. I don’t care if it was Thomas Jefferson, would that make breaking the law right? Or trespassing/vandalism?

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By Bruce Smith&#13;
Herald Journal publisher&#13;
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“I have never forgotten my experience with the sheriff almost 40 years ago. It was one of the most traumatic days of my life.”&#13;
&#13;
My initial reaction a few weeks ago after a bunch of trespassing teen-agers were terrorized at the former St. Anne’s retreat was that although the kids certainly didn’t deserve the outrageous treatment they received at the hands of the watchmen, they probably learned a great lesson from it all. &#13;
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The whole situation has brought back some very unhappy memories of when I was a teen-ager and, like most young people, did some very stupid things—and, of course, got an education in the process. &#13;
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On one occasion I found myself with the wrong friends and in deep trouble with the law. I remember it as if it happened yesterday. &#13;
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I had a .22 caliber rifle and enjoyed rabbit hunting. My friends and I had a favorite spot a few miles from home where there were thousands of rabbits. One Saturday afternoon on the way home from a day of hunting, we noticed some big new lights along a bridge crossing the Snake River. As we drove across the bridge, one of my friends stuck his .22 pistol out the window and began using the lights for target practice. He must have fired eight or 10 times at the lights as we crossed the bridge. Not one of us in the car did anything to stop him. &#13;
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The sheriff’s patrol car got closer and closer and was soon right behind us with the siren blaring. Only then did we realize it was us he was after. We pulled over and waited for the officer to tell us what he wanted us to do.&#13;
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He didn’t put us in jail but sat us close enough to the jail cell that we could see inside and actually touch the vars. He then told us that someone had watched us shoot at the lights earlier in the day as we crossed the bridge. The sheriff had us. We were guilty, the sheriff knew it, and we knew it. &#13;
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I don’t remember all that was said by the sheriff, but I do remember I was absolutely scared to death. I could picture myself setting behind bars in the county jail. Facing my father and telling him the story was even more frightening. I didn’t do any of the shooting but knew it didn’t make any difference. I was in the car, and as far as the sheriff was concerned, I was as guilty as the person who actually fired the gun.&#13;
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It seemed like we were questioned for hours and hours about our activities of the day. We listened to the police radio as the sheriff’s deputy drove across the bridge, examined each light, then reported his findings to the sheriff. Thankfully, my hunting buddy was a poor shot. He didn’t hit a single light. &#13;
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We were all scared to death and knew for sure that we were going to at least spend one night in the county jail. Instead, the sheriff got our attention by giving us a severe tongue lashing. He told us that if we ever did anything like that again he would throw the book at us. To this day I am not sure why the sheriff let us go, but he did. &#13;
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I have never forgotten my experience with the sheriff almost 40 years ago. It was one of the most traumatic days of my life. Thankfully, the law enforcement authorities saw fit to give me and my friends the benefit of the doubt and didn’t punish us as severely as they could have and as severely as we probably deserved. I suppose they decided there was nothing to be gained by throwing us in jail. I am sure it was obvious to them that they got our attention and that we were scared to death. We had learned our lesson. &#13;
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It’s obvious the teen-agers who trespassed at St. Anne’s a few weeks ago were also scared to death and learned a lesson. The extreme treatment they received at the hands of the watchmen is an experience they will never forget. And I would guess that the punishment by parents in most cases has been more severe than anything the law enforcement authorities could do to them.&#13;
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We were all teen-agers once, and we have all done stupid things. Let’s hope the experiences of a few teens at St. Anne’s will help teen-agers in the valley think twice before they find themselves in a situation they can’t handle or somewhere they don’t belong. &#13;
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                <text>Trespassing legend-trippers may still have learned their lesson. In spite of getting off easy, the impact of the experience may have had a greater impact than having the trespassing charges stick. Bruce Smith, former Herald Journal publisher, relates an experience from his youth as one of the most traumatic experiences of his life and one that he will always remember.</text>
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                <text>Trespassing teens learned lesson
By Bruce Smith
Herald Journal publisher

“I have never forgotten my experience with the sheriff almost 40 years ago. It was one of the most traumatic days of my life.”

My initial reaction a few weeks ago after a bunch of trespassing teen-agers were terrorized at the former St. Anne’s retreat was that although the kids certainly didn’t deserve the outrageous treatment they received at the hands of the watchmen, they probably learned a great lesson from it all. 

The whole situation has brought back some very unhappy memories of when I was a teen-ager and, like most young people, did some very stupid things-and, of course, got an education in the process. 

On one occasion I found myself with the wrong friends and in deep trouble with the law. I remember it as if it happened yesterday. 

I had a .22 caliber rifle and enjoyed rabbit hunting. My friends and I had a favorite spot a few miles from home where there were thousands of rabbits. One Saturday afternoon on the way home from a day of hunting, we noticed some big new lights along a bridge crossing the Snake River. As we drove across the bridge, one of my friends stuck his .22 pistol out the window and began using the lights for target practice. He must have fired eight or 10 times at the lights as we crossed the bridge. Not one of us in the car did anything to stop him. 

We crossed the bridge and went right through the middle of town and headed for home. We didn’t give a second thought to what our friend had just done. No one stopped us and we were sure no one heard the shots. 

After we traveled a few miles down the highway we noticed a red light flashing behind us. It looked a lot like the flashing lights on a police car. We just kept on going. We were not smart enough to figure out that it was the county sheriff and he was after us. 

The sheriff’s patrol car got closer and closer and was soon right behind us with the siren blaring. Only then did we realize it was us he was after. We pulled over and waited for the officer to tell us what he wanted us to do.

He ordered us all out of the car and then noticed that we all had rifles. He asked us all kinds of questions about the guns, where we had been hunting, who we were, and what we had been doing. 

Finding the guns in the car, even though they were unloaded, was enough evidence for him to load us up in the patrol car and take us back to town. 

He didn’t put us in jail but sat us close enough to the jail cell that we could see inside and actually touch the vars. He then told us that someone had watched us shoot at the lights earlier in the day as we crossed the bridge. The sheriff had us. We were guilty, the sheriff knew it, and we knew it. 

I don’t remember all that was said by the sheriff, but I do remember I was absolutely scared to death. I could picture myself setting behind bars in the county jail. Facing my father and telling him the story was even more frightening. I didn’t do any of the shooting but knew it didn’t make any difference. I was in the car, and as far as the sheriff was concerned, I was as guilty as the person who actually fired the gun.

It seemed like we were questioned for hours and hours about our activities of the day. We listened to the police radio as the sheriff’s deputy drove across the bridge, examined each light, then reported his findings to the sheriff. Thankfully, my hunting buddy was a poor shot. He didn’t hit a single light. 

We were all scared to death and knew for sure that we were going to at least spend one night in the county jail. Instead, the sheriff got our attention by giving us a severe tongue lashing. He told us that if we ever did anything like that again he would throw the book at us. To this day I am not sure why the sheriff let us go, but he did. 

I have never forgotten my experience with the sheriff almost 40 years ago. It was one of the most traumatic days of my life. Thankfully, the law enforcement authorities saw fit to give me and my friends the benefit of the doubt and didn’t punish us as severely as they could have and as severely as we probably deserved. I suppose they decided there was nothing to be gained by throwing us in jail. I am sure it was obvious to them that they got our attention and that we were scared to death. We had learned our lesson. 

It’s obvious the teen-agers who trespassed at St. Anne’s a few weeks ago were also scared to death and learned a lesson. The extreme treatment they received at the hands of the watchmen is an experience they will never forget. And I would guess that the punishment by parents in most cases has been more severe than anything the law enforcement authorities could do to them.

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              <text>Trespass forgiveness assailed &#13;
By Michael R. Weibel&#13;
Staff writer&#13;
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Most people who responded to a Herald Journal telephone survey Monday night said trespassing charges should have been filed against a group of teen-agers who were caught at St. Anne’s Retreat on Oct. 10. &#13;
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The newspaper’s voice mail system was so overwhelmed by the volume of calls that many people who wanted to respond to the non-scientific poll were cut off and couldn’t leave a message&#13;
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Cache County Attorney Scott Wyatt announced Friday that charges would not be filed against 38 youths who were caught trespassing in two separate incidents at the Logan Canyon retreat. On the same day, Wyatt filed assault charges against the retreat’s caretaker, John Jeppson, and two assistants for their alleged actions while detaining the youths.&#13;
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Of the 50 or so comments that did get recorded in The Herald Journal survey, most people said a bad message is being sent to local youths—that they can get away with breaking the law.&#13;
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Micala Jensen of Providence, for example, said, “I was appalled to see that the charges were dropped against the students, the young adults who were there. I think that tells the rest of the kids that they don’t have to respect other people’s property, and it sends a message out to everyone else that you can get off, that those laws are made to be broken.”&#13;
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Cindy Jackman of North Logan said she’s not sure the caretakers’ actions were appropriate or whether they should be prosecuted. But “I do know that the teen-agers trespassed, and that’s against the law. It was posted, it was an obvious thing that they were trespassing with barbed wire and everything there. And the teen-agers have been not charged. I think that’s very wrong. That sends a message that if teen-agers just want to go have fun…it’s OK to break the law.”&#13;
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Gary Denton of Lewiston said, “I think the charges against the teen-agers should not have been dropped. I think they need to be accountable for their actions. … I think teen-agers nowadays get away with way too much. They get their hands slapped for doing what adults would be fined or put in jail for.&#13;
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“I think it’s time they own up to their wrongdoings,” he said. &#13;
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Some respondents said they appreciated the commentary by Jeppson’s brother, adding that they believe the newspaper has not balanced its coverage with Jeppson’s side of the story.&#13;
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Cindy Miller of Providence, for example, said, “I feel what has taken place has been poorly represented by the media. I feel that Mr. Jeppson’s point of view has not been given fair time.”&#13;
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Herald Journal reporters have tried unsuccessfully to contact Jejppson for his comments. &#13;
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Nate Steele had a personal perspective on the incident.&#13;
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“I was up there Friday night. I was probably the second person in the gate. I would just like to say, under no circumstances should this man be looked upon as a hero. What he did was wrong. He crossed the line. In fact, he drove about 10 miles past the line.”&#13;
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The trespassers accused the three watchmen of tying them together by their necks, handcuffing them and holding them at gunpoint in a swimming pool in two separate episodes Oct. 10. The mostly teen-aged victims said their lives were threatened, shotguns were fired near them, and one female said Jeppson felt her up. &#13;
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“I don’t understand why people are trying to justify what he did,” Steele said. “The only way I can see why is because they weren’t up there. They don’t know exactly what happened. I think the only people that can make an educated decision on what happened and have an educated opinion on what happened would be the people who were up there. We are the only ones that know exactly what happened.&#13;
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“I don’t think this man was a hero,” he added. “I have trouble looking at this man and saying he is human. He was given an ounce of power, an ounce of authority, and took it from that ounce and made it into something much more than it was. He crossed the line and people need to see that.”&#13;
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But Jeff Hansen of Logan said he knows what Jeppson was facing. &#13;
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“I own a piece of property up Logan Canyon and my place gets vandalized at least once a year,” he said. “And I feel I have the right to protect my property, and I think it’s just a bad deal to let those ids off. I eel if you let those kids off, the young adults, we should let the guards off on the charges that were filed against them. What’s fair is fair. &#13;
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“I think the kids that were involved in that should be prosecuted for trespassing,” Hansen said. “I always felt that trespassing was a serious offense, not a mild offense. If they hadn’t been there, nobody would have been able to rough them up. I don’t feel the guards have done anything wrong. I feel they had every right to protect that piece of property. Every right…those young adults were totally in the wrong.”&#13;
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Kathy Edwards, North Logan&#13;
I think the teens’ accusations, if they are true, that that man who was up there is not a hero, but maybe some sort of overzealous man wielding a gun that was trying to injure children. And they are minors. He has no business doing that. And if that’s what he wanted to do, he’s no better than any of those guys who go out and shoot people in the post offices and anywhere else. Also, the charges against the teen-agers that have been dropped, probably a very smart thing to do in terms of what can happen to the county in regards to lawsuits and whatever else the families could do. He had no right to do what he did, and I would surely hope that cache county people do not honor him as a hero. &#13;
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Tami Johnson, Benson&#13;
I feel the young adults, not children, gave up their rights as soon as they knowingly and willingly crossed the no-trespassing property line. They chose to break the law, setting in motion the consequences they received. If they had chosen to obey the law, nothing would have happened to them. There would be no “overboard,” your word, treatment. I feel that the trespassing was seriously under-stressed in the media coverage. The young adults were the criminals, not the victims. Stop and think, pretend you live in a high crime area. Trespassing and vandalism are crimes. It’s late at night, its [it’s] around midnight, suddenly a large group of people break in. I mean what are you supposed to do? Welcome them with open arms and who them the best places to vandalize?&#13;
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No matter how the young adults were treated, they were the guilty party. They were the catalyst. The charges against them should not have been dropped. &#13;
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Cindy Hamilton, Smithfield&#13;
After seeing these kids on TV and in the paper, they all seem to be smiling and happy and thinking what they did was pretty neat. They got all this attention. But they seemed to have forgotten they trespassed. They went through gates that were barbed wired and chained and had no-trespassing signs. And they did something wrong. Also, the guards went overboard, but the kids don’t seem to have any comprehension that they also were at fault and should not have been up there. I hope that since their charges were dropped their parents will help them realize the part they played in it. If they hadn’t been up there, nothing would have happened to them.&#13;
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Jeff Watkins, Newton&#13;
All of those ten-agers caught trespassing on that land should not have the charges dropped against them. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Had nobody bene there, there’s a very likely probability that those teen-agers would have continued on the vandalism that’s been going on. The three officers who protected the property perhaps engaged in some extreme activities and they could be charged for some of the things they do, but they should not be charged for everything. They were trying to protect property against vandalism.&#13;
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Larry Winborg&#13;
I think that he, if these allegations against these three men are true, then they went way overboard. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. In no way are they heroes to treat people, any people, like that, especially young impressionable people. If their purpose was to keep them out of there, then they should have just said, “I’m sorry but you can’t come in here.” They should have called the sheriff at that point if they didn’t’ leave. But to take them in there and hold them captive and do all the things that they did to them, and abuse them both verbally and physically was absolutely wrong. &#13;
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Steve Brown&#13;
Supposedly he was hired as a maintenance man, not as a security guard. I have no problem that he felt like he was doing the right thing. But when someone does a job that they’re not trained for, there’s bound to be problems. The teens were trespassing and should not have been there. But trespassing is not punishable by torture or death.&#13;
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For the man that thinks the teens should have lost all their rights when they were trespassing, I hope for your sake the next time you’re speeding on the freeway the person next to you with a loaded gun doesn’t have the same views as you.&#13;
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…We don’t need to take the law into our own hands. Two wrongs don’t make a right. &#13;
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Jean Kennedy, Smithfield&#13;
The fact that the charges against the teen-agers have been dropped is further evidence of how we are absolving our young people of responsibility. I think it’s wrong to absolve those tee-agers of any responsibility. And if the property owners don’t press charges, the county should. These kids were willfully disobeying the law, and in a very large group. What would any homeowner think if their property were descended upon en mass by a group of teens in the middle of the night. The Herald Journal does the community a disservice by constant labeling the adults as watchmen, a derogatory term, and a group of trespassers as kids. I believe the adults in this story may have been a bit overzealous in their actions. But the fact is they were within their rights, and the trespassers were not. Keep in mind also that no one was hurt in this scenario and the men immediately report it to the proper authorities. Supposedly, those kids went there to get scared, and when they did, they ended up whining to ma and pa. I think The Herald Journal reporting in this matter has been extremely biased, and I think the only reason these kids are being absolved of guilt is that they are white. Image your change of heart if the watchmen had reported a bunch of Hispanic or Tongan youths. Suddenly those watchmen would be heroes in your eyes and the kids would be a gang, wouldn’t they? Wake up, Herald Journal, you’re too entrenched to see beyond the end of your noses.&#13;
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Ken Daniel, Smithfield&#13;
The charges against the teen-agers should not have been dropped, and I think Joe Blow citizen has to take a stand against vandalism regardless of where it is. If we don’t do that, it will only get worse. &#13;
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Walt Appel&#13;
It seems to me that there’d be no problem if the kids hadn’t trespassed. The whole incident was started by kids breaking the law. And they whole be held responsible for it and charged for it. That’s part of being responsible. What have we taught them as a society if we don’t hold them responsible for their actions—that they can do anything and get away with it?&#13;
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Another point, Jeppson is being charged with going overboard. However, take a look at it from his point of view. He was outnumbered and he was attacked by one of the kids. Didn’t he have a right to defend himself? Didn’t he have a right to do what he did thinking that there wasn’t any help around?&#13;
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Another thing, the kids were looking for a thrill. Boy, they sure got it, didn’t they? Perhaps, if they had gone to a park and paid for it, they would have appreciated that s care more. There’s people in this world that pay a lot of money to get that kind of adrenalin rush. &#13;
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                <text>Local residents sound off on charges being dropped for trespassing legend-trippers and overwhelmingly expressing that the youth should be held accountable. Not saying that the armed watchmen were justified in how they handled the trespassers, but that dropping charges for trespassers sent a bad message to juveniles who then think they can break the law and get away with it.</text>
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By Michael R. Weibel
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Most people who responded to a Herald Journal telephone survey Monday night said trespassing charges should have been filed against a group of teen-agers who were caught at St. Anne’s Retreat on Oct. 10. 

The newspaper’s voice mail system was so overwhelmed by the volume of calls that many people who wanted to respond to the non-scientific poll were cut off and couldn’t leave a message

Cache County Attorney Scott Wyatt announced Friday that charges would not be filed against 38 youths who were caught trespassing in two separate incidents at the Logan Canyon retreat. On the same day, Wyatt filed assault charges against the retreat’s caretaker, John Jeppson, and two assistants for their alleged actions while detaining the youths.

Of the 50 or so comments that did get recorded in The Herald Journal survey, most people said a bad message is being sent to local youths-that they can get away with breaking the law.

Micala Jensen of Providence, for example, said, “I was appalled to see that the charges were dropped against the students, the young adults who were there. I think that tells the rest of the kids that they don’t have to respect other people’s property, and it sends a message out to everyone else that you can get off, that those laws are made to be broken.”

Cindy Jackman of North Logan said she’s not sure the caretakers’ actions were appropriate or whether they should be prosecuted. But “I do know that the teen-agers trespassed, and that’s against the law. It was posted, it was an obvious thing that they were trespassing with barbed wire and everything there. And the teen-agers have been not charged. I think that’s very wrong. That sends a message that if teen-agers just want to go have fun…it’s OK to break the law.”

Gary Denton of Lewiston said, “I think the charges against the teen-agers should not have been dropped. I think they need to be accountable for their actions. … I think teen-agers nowadays get away with way too much. They get their hands slapped for doing what adults would be fined or put in jail for.

“I think it’s time they own up to their wrongdoings,” he said. 

Some respondents said they appreciated the commentary by Jeppson’s brother, adding that they believe the newspaper has not balanced its coverage with Jeppson’s side of the story.

Cindy Miller of Providence, for example, said, “I feel what has taken place has been poorly represented by the media. I feel that Mr. Jeppson’s point of view has not been given fair time.”

Herald Journal reporters have tried unsuccessfully to contact Jejppson for his comments. 

Nate Steele had a personal perspective on the incident.

“I was up there Friday night. I was probably the second person in the gate. I would just like to say, under no circumstances should this man be looked upon as a hero. What he did was wrong. He crossed the line. In fact, he drove about 10 miles past the line.”

The trespassers accused the three watchmen of tying them together by their necks, handcuffing them and holding them at gunpoint in a swimming pool in two separate episodes Oct. 10. The mostly teen-aged victims said their lives were threatened, shotguns were fired near them, and one female said Jeppson felt her up. 

“I don’t understand why people are trying to justify what he did,” Steele said. “The only way I can see why is because they weren’t up there. They don’t know exactly what happened. I think the only people that can make an educated decision on what happened and have an educated opinion on what happened would be the people who were up there. We are the only ones that know exactly what happened.

“I don’t think this man was a hero,” he added. “I have trouble looking at this man and saying he is human. He was given an ounce of power, an ounce of authority, and took it from that ounce and made it into something much more than it was. He crossed the line and people need to see that.”

But Jeff Hansen of Logan said he knows what Jeppson was facing. 

“I own a piece of property up Logan Canyon and my place gets vandalized at least once a year,” he said. “And I feel I have the right to protect my property, and I think it’s just a bad deal to let those ids off. I eel if you let those kids off, the young adults, we should let the guards off on the charges that were filed against them. What’s fair is fair. 

“I think the kids that were involved in that should be prosecuted for trespassing,” Hansen said. “I always felt that trespassing was a serious offense, not a mild offense. If they hadn’t been there, nobody would have been able to rough them up. I don’t feel the guards have done anything wrong. I feel they had every right to protect that piece of property. Every right…those young adults were totally in the wrong.”


Comment sampler

Kathy Edwards, North Logan
I think the teens’ accusations, if they are true, that that man who was up there is not a hero, but maybe some sort of overzealous man wielding a gun that was trying to injure children. And they are minors. He has no business doing that. And if that’s what he wanted to do, he’s no better than any of those guys who go out and shoot people in the post offices and anywhere else. Also, the charges against the teen-agers that have been dropped, probably a very smart thing to do in terms of what can happen to the county in regards to lawsuits and whatever else the families could do. He had no right to do what he did, and I would surely hope that cache county people do not honor him as a hero. 

Tami Johnson, Benson
I feel the young adults, not children, gave up their rights as soon as they knowingly and willingly crossed the no-trespassing property line. They chose to break the law, setting in motion the consequences they received. If they had chosen to obey the law, nothing would have happened to them. There would be no “overboard,” your word, treatment. I feel that the trespassing was seriously under-stressed in the media coverage. The young adults were the criminals, not the victims. Stop and think, pretend you live in a high crime area. Trespassing and vandalism are crimes. It’s late at night, its [it’s] around midnight, suddenly a large group of people break in. I mean what are you supposed to do? Welcome them with open arms and who them the best places to vandalize?

No matter how the young adults were treated, they were the guilty party. They were the catalyst. The charges against them should not have been dropped. 

Cindy Hamilton, Smithfield
After seeing these kids on TV and in the paper, they all seem to be smiling and happy and thinking what they did was pretty neat. They got all this attention. But they seemed to have forgotten they trespassed. They went through gates that were barbed wired and chained and had no-trespassing signs. And they did something wrong. Also, the guards went overboard, but the kids don’t seem to have any comprehension that they also were at fault and should not have been up there. I hope that since their charges were dropped their parents will help them realize the part they played in it. If they hadn’t been up there, nothing would have happened to them.

Jeff Watkins, Newton
All of those ten-agers caught trespassing on that land should not have the charges dropped against them. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Had nobody bene there, there’s a very likely probability that those teen-agers would have continued on the vandalism that’s been going on. The three officers who protected the property perhaps engaged in some extreme activities and they could be charged for some of the things they do, but they should not be charged for everything. They were trying to protect property against vandalism.

Larry Winborg
I think that he, if these allegations against these three men are true, then they went way overboard. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. In no way are they heroes to treat people, any people, like that, especially young impressionable people. If their purpose was to keep them out of there, then they should have just said, “I’m sorry but you can’t come in here.” They should have called the sheriff at that point if they didn’t’ leave. But to take them in there and hold them captive and do all the things that they did to them, and abuse them both verbally and physically was absolutely wrong. 

Steve Brown
Supposedly he was hired as a maintenance man, not as a security guard. I have no problem that he felt like he was doing the right thing. But when someone does a job that they’re not trained for, there’s bound to be problems. The teens were trespassing and should not have been there. But trespassing is not punishable by torture or death.

For the man that thinks the teens should have lost all their rights when they were trespassing, I hope for your sake the next time you’re speeding on the freeway the person next to you with a loaded gun doesn’t have the same views as you.

…We don’t need to take the law into our own hands. Two wrongs don’t make a right. 

Jean Kennedy, Smithfield
The fact that the charges against the teen-agers have been dropped is further evidence of how we are absolving our young people of responsibility. I think it’s wrong to absolve those tee-agers of any responsibility. And if the property owners don’t press charges, the county should. These kids were willfully disobeying the law, and in a very large group. What would any homeowner think if their property were descended upon en mass by a group of teens in the middle of the night. The Herald Journal does the community a disservice by constant labeling the adults as watchmen, a derogatory term, and a group of trespassers as kids. I believe the adults in this story may have been a bit overzealous in their actions. But the fact is they were within their rights, and the trespassers were not. Keep in mind also that no one was hurt in this scenario and the men immediately report it to the proper authorities. Supposedly, those kids went there to get scared, and when they did, they ended up whining to ma and pa. I think The Herald Journal reporting in this matter has been extremely biased, and I think the only reason these kids are being absolved of guilt is that they are white. Image your change of heart if the watchmen had reported a bunch of Hispanic or Tongan youths. Suddenly those watchmen would be heroes in your eyes and the kids would be a gang, wouldn’t they? Wake up, Herald Journal, you’re too entrenched to see beyond the end of your noses.

Ken Daniel, Smithfield
The charges against the teen-agers should not have been dropped, and I think Joe Blow citizen has to take a stand against vandalism regardless of where it is. If we don’t do that, it will only get worse. 

Walt Appel
It seems to me that there’d be no problem if the kids hadn’t trespassed. The whole incident was started by kids breaking the law. And they whole be held responsible for it and charged for it. That’s part of being responsible. What have we taught them as a society if we don’t hold them responsible for their actions-that they can do anything and get away with it?

Another point, Jeppson is being charged with going overboard. However, take a look at it from his point of view. He was outnumbered and he was attacked by one of the kids. Didn’t he have a right to defend himself? Didn’t he have a right to do what he did thinking that there wasn’t any help around?

Another thing, the kids were looking for a thrill. Boy, they sure got it, didn’t they? Perhaps, if they had gone to a park and paid for it, they would have appreciated that s care more. There’s people in this world that pay a lot of money to get that kind of adrenalin rush.</text>
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It is amazing to me that in a community as largely Christian as this one, so many seem anxious to pass judgement on these teen-agers’ families and methods of parenting. &#13;
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As an “average citizen,” I do not know all that went on that night up Logan canyon. Although we hear and read much, it all must be taken as hearsay, and only those personally involved can possibly know everything. &#13;
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At first, I was a little disgusted that the young adults involved were not being punished for their crimes. But then I read Scott Wyatt’s report stating that he did not press charges because the property owners did not wish to.&#13;
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Well, he certainly should be in a position to know. And if the owners did not want to pursue it, that is certainly their choice. &#13;
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As a parent, I understand that our society seems to be falling apart at times and young people often abuse privileges and assume they are their rights. What I don’t understand is why so many who have written letters to the editor assume that these teens were not taught better by their parents.&#13;
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Haven’t any of them ever had a child go against their teachings and better judgment? Or have they perhaps been so quick to place blame that they forgot about their own children’s mistakes?&#13;
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I have also read letters from adults who have admitted that over the years they, too, went up the nunnery, drawn by its lore. And they have turned out to be respectable citizens in their communities now that they are adults.&#13;
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My point is, as kids are growing up they make stupid decisions and mistakes. That is how we learn and grow.&#13;
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It doesn’t mean that these children were not taught better or that their parents condone their actions and behavior. It’s just possible that they may still grow to be decent people and, heaven forbid, leaders of our community, and perhaps this experience will have a lasting impression. &#13;
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After all, they are adults and understand the implications of how serious and tragic this could have been better than anyone. I hope that the truth will be presented and a fair decision reached, but until then, I, for one, am not going to point a finger at people who are trying to raise their children the best that they can and lame them for mistakes made not by them. They probably have enough to contend with right now. &#13;
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To the editor: 
I have followed the articles on the incident at St. Anne’s with some interest. I have been disappointed with people who publicly voice their opinion on a situation of which they cannot know all the details

It is amazing to me that in a community as largely Christian as this one, so many seem anxious to pass judgement on these teen-agers’ families and methods of parenting. 

As an “average citizen,” I do not know all that went on that night up Logan canyon. Although we hear and read much, it all must be taken as hearsay, and only those personally involved can possibly know everything. 

At first, I was a little disgusted that the young adults involved were not being punished for their crimes. But then I read Scott Wyatt’s report stating that he did not press charges because the property owners did not wish to.

Well, he certainly should be in a position to know. And if the owners did not want to pursue it, that is certainly their choice. 

As a parent, I understand that our society seems to be falling apart at times and young people often abuse privileges and assume they are their rights. What I don’t understand is why so many who have written letters to the editor assume that these teens were not taught better by their parents.

Haven’t any of them ever had a child go against their teachings and better judgment? Or have they perhaps been so quick to place blame that they forgot about their own children’s mistakes?

I have also read letters from adults who have admitted that over the years they, too, went up the nunnery, drawn by its lore. And they have turned out to be respectable citizens in their communities now that they are adults.

My point is, as kids are growing up they make stupid decisions and mistakes. That is how we learn and grow.

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                <text>[Jack London's Tramp Diary. 1894. Cannot be printed wi t hout permission of Utah&#13;
State University Library, Special Collections]&#13;
Friday pr o 6.1&#13;
Left Oakland Hole at 4:30 .H. &amp; arrived at Sacrament o at a P.M. Went&#13;
up to the Mississippi Kitchen &amp; had supper . Learning t hat the Industrial&#13;
rmy had arrived at noon &amp; departed for Ogden a t 4. ' ent down &amp; caught the&#13;
10 P •• Overland bound East.&#13;
Saturday Apr. 7.2&#13;
We held her down all night till we arrived in Truckee at 7 A.M. As it&#13;
was broad day light it Wa S impossible to proceed further . Tho' they were&#13;
f orced to stop the train twice before they succeeded in ditching us . Fr ank&#13;
&amp; I then decided to send our valises back to Oakland by Jells Fargo. ·ve&#13;
traded the patent simple file for 4 square meals. We tried t o take the 8 P.M.&#13;
Overland east , but by a mistake Frank caught her &amp; I was left . But we had&#13;
agreed that in case of separation we would meet in ~4adsworth . bout eleven&#13;
o'clock I caught a freight out, but slept so sound despite the cold tha t I&#13;
was side tracked a t Reno without waking up . Staid in Reno all day but did&#13;
not hear of r ank.&#13;
Sunday pro 8 . 3&#13;
Woke up at 3: 30 A.M. half froze to death . I climbed out &amp; walked about&#13;
t ill my circulation was res t ored when I sought shelter in the Restaurant.&#13;
The deaf mute the l adies edifying conversation . Morning ablutions by&#13;
the banks of the Truckee River. 10urns the loss of the clothes brush &amp;&#13;
comb with Frank, but still have the t ov/el &amp; s oap . 1,vent down the road &amp;&#13;
l(~ ritten in the ma r gin of t his paragr aph] : Sacramento 90 mi. S. F.&#13;
End Division&#13;
2Truckee 259 2/10 mi. End Division&#13;
3Reno 294 2/10 mi.&#13;
p. 2&#13;
watched them loading cattle &amp; pigs. Met a Swede on the road &amp; went off &amp;&#13;
got dinner with him. Watched the Indians gambling &amp; listened to the&#13;
salvation army &amp; unemployed congregated on the corner. They are making up&#13;
an army &amp; expect to start east to morrow. All along the line from Oakland&#13;
on, we have met hundreds chasing the first detachment of the industrial&#13;
army. A great many lost it by the unexpected departure so early Friday&#13;
morning. Took a freight in the evening &amp; made Wadsworth but di d not find&#13;
Frank. I slept in an engine cab down in the yards &amp; was routed out about&#13;
4 in the morning when the wipers took possession.&#13;
4 Monday Apr. 9.&#13;
Went down to the Post Office &amp; received a postal from Frank who has&#13;
gone on to Winnemuca. Gen. Kelly passed through on the morning overland.&#13;
Met a Doctor who gave me unasked a quarter of a dollar &amp; invited me to&#13;
breakfast. He said my face was familiar, but we could not scrape up any&#13;
recollections. Am waiting to catch a train across the desert to Winnemuca,&#13;
where if I arrive on time Frank &amp; I will join the Reno detachment of the&#13;
Industrial Army &amp; then On to Washington!&#13;
All along this part of the road the wipers a r e Chinese &amp; the section&#13;
hands, Italian. I saw the biggest Newfoundland in my lif e here to day. He&#13;
looks more like a bear than anything else. It is impossible to take a train&#13;
out till night for all the crews are on to me. I could catch any of them &amp;&#13;
ride them to the next stop, but I want to catch one clean through. This is&#13;
the last stop before enter ing the desert, &amp; I dont wish to be ditched at&#13;
some lone water tank where I may pass days waiting for a train to stop. I&#13;
never saw such weather. The days are burning hot &amp; the nights freezing cold.&#13;
4 Wadsworth 555 2/10 from Ogden. End Division&#13;
p. 3&#13;
The sky is so clear &amp; the atmosphere so thin that you can see objects at&#13;
a long distance &amp; are deceived into believing them very close. I thought my&#13;
face was sea tanned but it is nothing to this. The sun has peeled t he skin&#13;
off my face till I look as though I had fell into a fire. 5&#13;
All along I have met swarms of people going east, &amp; but one going west.&#13;
I met the curiosity here this afternoon. He is walking all the way from&#13;
Colorado to Frisco, where he is going to ship to sea. Then I met a French-man&#13;
who has walked all the way from Minnesota to Sacramento &amp; has walked&#13;
this far back. Now his shoes have given out &amp; he proposes to ride the rest&#13;
of the way. I took the 10:45 train out this evening &amp; made her across the&#13;
desert to Humbolt where I got ditched. No sooner had the Overland pulled&#13;
out t han an orange special pulled in. I took her out &amp; she ran clean&#13;
through to Winnemuca a distance of fifty miles without a stop. A spark&#13;
caught fire in my overcoat &amp; smoldering away suddenly burst into flames.&#13;
The train was going about 40 miles an hour and it was quite a job to put&#13;
it out. My overcoat &amp; coat are ruined. I rode the bumpers the rest of&#13;
the way.&#13;
Tuesday Apr. 10.6&#13;
Arrived at four o'clock &amp; waited till daylight in the European res-taurant.&#13;
Frank's po stal said if no t in sight to call at the La Fayette&#13;
Hotel. Did so but no one knew him. Then examined the post mark on the&#13;
postal card &amp; made out San Francisco. It look[s] bad for some body. I f&#13;
I had not delayed at Wadsworth &amp; here I would have been almost to Ogden.&#13;
About 9 o'clock went down to Post Office &amp; wrote a letter home. As I was&#13;
returni ng met Frank. Great rejoicing &amp; congratulations. The post mark&#13;
5Wadsworth = Shortest division on the road.&#13;
6Winnemuca 475 4/10 mi. S.F. End Division. [At top of this pageJ:&#13;
Sand Storm.&#13;
p. 4&#13;
inexplicable. Frank &amp; I decided to wait this night out in the hopes of&#13;
joining the Reno detachment. But two trains came through.&#13;
Wednesday Apr. 11.&#13;
It snowed l ast night . We have decided to let the Reno crowd rip &amp;&#13;
start on as fast as possible for Ogden.&#13;
This after noon Frank &amp; I had an understanding. The road has no more&#13;
charms for him. The romance &amp; adventure is gone &amp; nothing remains but the&#13;
stern reality of the hardships to be endured. Though he has dicided[sic]&#13;
to turn West again I am sure the experience has done him good, broadened&#13;
his thoughts, given a better understanding of the low strata of society &amp;&#13;
surely will have made him more charitable to the trrunps he will meet here­after&#13;
when he is in better circumstances.&#13;
He starts West &amp; I start East to night. He is safe to go through&#13;
because he has money enough to tip the brakemen on the line at the rate of&#13;
50 cts. a division &amp; have money left to eat on. Shook hands &amp; said good&#13;
bye at 9 P.M.&#13;
Caught a freight out. Am going to brake coal on the engine from here&#13;
to Carlin 131 miles.&#13;
Thursday Apr. 12. 7&#13;
Arrived in Carlin at 3:30 this morning. A little railroad town&#13;
situated in the midst of the great American Deser t, through which I am now&#13;
traveling . Up to two o'clock no train has passed east except the Overland.&#13;
I met a Chinaman here &amp; played cards with him while he was waiting to&#13;
register. There was not a game he did not understand. I took the overland&#13;
out about 7:30 riding the blind with two other fellows I picked up with.&#13;
7Carlin. 535 mi. S. F. End of Division&#13;
p. 5&#13;
We made a 45 mile run to Elko &amp; a 23 mile run to Peko where they tried to&#13;
di tch us. vie went out ahead but the brakeman rode the blind out. We&#13;
waited till the train had almost run by when two of us jumped the palace&#13;
cars &amp; decked them while the third went underneath on the rods. I climbed&#13;
forward two cars to the other fellow &amp; told him to come on along the decks&#13;
to the blind but he said it was too risky. I went forward about five&#13;
cars &amp; as the brakeman was on tha t platform I could proceed no further&#13;
&amp; escape observation. I waited &amp; when the train stopped I climbed down&#13;
&amp; ran ahead to the blind. The brakeman again rode her out but I took the&#13;
next one behind him, &amp; when he jumped off to catch me I ran ahead &amp; took&#13;
the platform he had vacated. The fellow on the roof with me got ditched,&#13;
but I made her into Wells, the end of the division where they put on a&#13;
double header. The brakeman was after us like a blood hound so I climbed&#13;
on the engine &amp; passed coal through to Terrace , the end of that division.&#13;
I arrived at two o'clock, &amp; as the snow was all round, I did no[t] care&#13;
to proceed further so I went to the round house &amp; slept in the cab of an&#13;
engine till morning.&#13;
Friday Apr. 13.8&#13;
At five this morning t he wipers took possess ion of my bed room &amp; I&#13;
was obliged to vacate. While looking for another warm spot I found that&#13;
two knights of the road, arriving during my sleep had most obligingly&#13;
built a roaring fire in one of the huge stoves. One of them had a big&#13;
handerchif[sic] full of fresh buttered, home made biscuits. I sat down,&#13;
ate a few of them &amp; then slumbered peacefully till seven o'clock. The&#13;
further I got east in Nevada the more miserable the towns are, &amp; Terrace&#13;
is commencing to the upward scale I guess, for at last I am in Utah. At&#13;
8 Terrace 123 Og. End division&#13;
p. 6&#13;
hlo this aft er noon I got one of the west bound tourists to lock me in a&#13;
car bound east. Just b fore the train started the door was thrown open &amp;&#13;
a brakeman asked me how much I could "shake Up." "Fifteen cents" was my&#13;
response. I had two dollars &amp; fifteen cents on me and as the two dollars&#13;
were unbroken I did not pro pose to give them to him. He said he would&#13;
carry me down the road a ways, but did not take the money. When we had&#13;
traveled about 50 miles, according to my calcul a t i ons, the door was again&#13;
t hrown open, &amp; the conductor &amp; brakeman both appeared. fter a long&#13;
consultation theCYJ took my gold ring &amp; left me the fifteen cents. The&#13;
ring was good gold with a fine cameo setting . I got it from Lizzie Conneley.9&#13;
Saturday Apr. 14.10&#13;
Arrived hereCOgden] at 12:50 this morning . Took a s troll up town,&#13;
&amp; got supper, then another stroll &amp; a t half past two wandered into the&#13;
Cent ral Hotel where I took a stiff drink and sat , by the night clerk's&#13;
permission , in a chair till daylight.&#13;
Ogden is a pretty litt le town of 18000 inhabitants. It has all the&#13;
latest improvements. Electr ic cars , &amp; lights, &amp; bituminous rock. It is&#13;
situated at a good elevation among the Rocky, or r ather the \..Jasatch Mts.&#13;
which are outlying spurs or ranges of the rockies. One surprising t hing&#13;
is the cheapness of everything. Strolling through the town I noticed&#13;
several log houses which mus t have been built during t he early days.&#13;
Another peculiarity is t hat so many of the living houses or cottages are&#13;
built of brick &amp; stone. Perhaps it is becaus e of the deep snows during&#13;
the winter. It began snowing to day in the morning but cleared up in a&#13;
9In t his car had a horrible dream.&#13;
10&#13;
Ogden 833 miles from Sacramento. End of Divis ion. End of S. P.'s&#13;
line &amp; Railroad center of U. P./S. P./ &amp; Denver &amp; Rio Gr ande&#13;
p. 7&#13;
few hours. I have give[n] up my proposed trip to Salt Lake City &amp; intend&#13;
to start to night for Omaha on the Union Pacific. I received 3 letters.&#13;
Two from home &amp; one from Applegarth. I expected more &amp; made arrangements&#13;
with the Post Office to forward them to Omaha.&#13;
After spending a pleasant afternoon in the reading rooms I went down&#13;
to the U.P. Depot &amp; caught the blind baggage on the 8:15 Express. Just as&#13;
she was pulling out I met an old friend. We first met in Reno when he &amp;&#13;
I spent the day together. He is a Swede. We next met in Winnemuca. He&#13;
arriving jus t as I was leaving. And now for the third time we met while&#13;
catching the blind baggage. We rode her 75 miles tha t night to Evanston,&#13;
a pretty little town just across the line in Wyoming. After we had run a&#13;
few miles he pushed coal on the engine. About this time the brakeman&#13;
began to stir us up. There were quite a crowd on the blind. But gradually,&#13;
station by station they began to drop off. HO\·/ever I made up my mind to&#13;
hold her down &amp; a pretty time I had of it. I rode the bl ind, the tender&#13;
of the engine, the cow catchers &amp; pilots of the double header, the decks&#13;
&amp; even in an emergency once stood on the platform in t he middle of the&#13;
train. We arrived in Evanston at 12 P.H.&#13;
Sunday Apr. 15. 11&#13;
The train stopped at Evanston for half &amp;[sic] hour, then ran back to&#13;
Ogden &amp; came around by the Oregon Short Line. The cause was a bad wreck,&#13;
11 miles ahead. Coming round a bend through a cut the engine ran into a&#13;
huge bolder[sic] which had fallen on the track. The engine jumped the&#13;
track on one side killing the fireman &amp; engineer. A tramp was riding the&#13;
blind &amp; he jumped of f &amp; was not even injured. The baggage &amp; mail cars&#13;
llEvanston 75 mi. Ogden. 958 mi. Omaha. End of divisio~.&#13;
p. 8&#13;
fell on the opposite side. The rest of the train was prett y badly shaken&#13;
up. About 1: 30 an engine brought in the two bodies. The Swede &amp; I went&#13;
over to t he electric light works, &amp; going down into t he f ire room cr awled&#13;
up on top of the boilers &amp; slept till morning , though the heat was intol-erable.&#13;
The snow covers t he ground walks &amp; houses yet though it is rapidly&#13;
melting. I t took but a few hours to patch up the track &amp; by ten o'clock&#13;
the Swede &amp; me, (By a queer coincidence his name is also Frank) captured an&#13;
Orange Special 'rhrough Freight. We rode her the best part of the day &amp;&#13;
when she stopped at Green River the end of the division, &amp; III miles east&#13;
of here we left the train for a few minutes to get a lunch. I returned&#13;
with a loaf of bread and chunk of bologna saugage &amp; made her out, but&#13;
Frank did not arr ive on time. They carried me but one station 15 miles,&#13;
where I got ditched.&#13;
Ro ck Spr~· ngs. 12&#13;
It seemes[sic] to be a mining town. I went up to a Saloon, got a glass of&#13;
bear, &amp; had a fine wash in warm water . I am writing t his in the saloon.&#13;
It seems to be t he wil d &amp; ,·/Ooly west with a vengeance. The soldiers ,&#13;
miner s &amp; cowboys all seem to be on the r ampage . At the present moment a&#13;
coupl e of cowboys or cat t le punchers are r aising cain generally. One is&#13;
about 6 foot 4, ',vhile the ot her is a little shorty. I guess I will s tay&#13;
here tonight &amp; to morrow &amp; take a look a t the town &amp; mines. This i s the&#13;
town \-/her e rock s pring coal comes f rom.&#13;
Monday Apr. 16 .&#13;
I had the hardest job in t he \vorld t hi s mor ning s earchi ng for t he&#13;
depot. Ther e are t housands of ca r s laying on t he side tra cks waiting for&#13;
124000 inhabitants&#13;
p. 9&#13;
coal, &amp; trains run north , south, east &amp; west of here . I saw a pretty sight&#13;
here at school time this morning . All the gi rls going to s chool wore&#13;
fascinators &amp; knitted hoods. There was but one exception, &amp; that little&#13;
girl wore a white sun bonnet.&#13;
11 o'clock A.M. A heavy snow is now f alling .&#13;
I waited all afternoon, but as the trains were late I did not get out&#13;
till 5 : 30. I caught t he f lyer &amp; held her down to the next division , where&#13;
I got ditched at 9:40. I s t ayed i n awl ins t ill 12 : 30. It was bl owing a&#13;
blizzard by thi s time &amp; freezing cold. The saloons were all f ull, &amp; poker ,&#13;
stud horse , faro, craps &amp; roulette were all in full blast . At 12:30 I&#13;
caught an Orange pecial &amp; climbed into the ice box of a r efrigera t or car,&#13;
&amp; you bet it was cold before morning . I arrived at Lar amie the end of&#13;
division at seven o'clock . It was so cold on the train that ni ght tha[t]&#13;
the brakemen did not care to bother me . I cover ed 257 miles that night .&#13;
Tuesday Apr. 17. Laramie . 13&#13;
hen I left t he train a t Laramie t he snow was so t hi ck t ha t one could&#13;
not see over a rod ahead . My feet were so cold tha t it t ook a half an&#13;
hours brisk walking t o r estore t he circulation . Had a good breakfast at&#13;
the r estaurant , &amp; at twelve o'cl ock , as the blizzar d was at about it's [sic]&#13;
worst, I caught the blind of the flyer , intending to make t hrough to Cheyenne&#13;
&amp; in the evening make on again . But when I r eached Ame 's[ sic] Monument,&#13;
the highest point on t his line, I overtook t he Reno Deta chment of the In­dustrial&#13;
r my , 80 strong &amp; camped in a r efrigerator car, attached to a&#13;
through frei ght . I climbed aboard &amp; made mys elf a t home . Tha t night we&#13;
crossed the l ine; but it was no t till we were well int o Nebraska tha t we&#13;
ran clear of the blizzard.&#13;
13Cheyenne 57 mi les . 576 mi. Omaha . ' nd of Division&#13;
Wednesday Apr . 18 . 14 Gra.nd Is .&#13;
p . 10&#13;
Our fare for supper &amp; breakfast was boneless ham, cheese bologna sausage,&#13;
bread &amp; crackers . At Grand Island \'Ie vJere taken to the Restaurants &amp; given&#13;
a fine dinner, t hough we were guarded by the loca l police, so tha t none would&#13;
escape. ~ e traveled all a f ternoon &amp; night &amp; arrived at Omaha at 1 next morn.&#13;
Thursday Apr . 19. Omaha, Council Bluffs, Camp Kelly , Neston .&#13;
'vIe arrived in Omaha at 1 A 1, &amp; were met by a s pecial platoon of&#13;
policemen who guarded us till we were shipped over the Missouri river, into&#13;
Council Bluf fs &amp; the state of I owa. I made up my mind not to march five miles&#13;
before daylight in the heavy rain out to Camp Kelly situated at Chata qua&#13;
park . !,ofhen we left the cars I deserted in company \'lith the Swede who I had&#13;
lost in Green River but picked up about 40 miles to the eastward of Grand&#13;
Island . We went to sleep in a bar room whi ch was being moved, while the&#13;
army marched through the mud &amp; storm 5 miles over the country road to Camp&#13;
Kelly, where they arrived at 5 .M. I arose at five, said good bye to the&#13;
Swede , &amp; ca tching a f r eight train, \'las eating breakfast in Omaha at 6. I&#13;
strolled about the town, wat ched the new post of fice in process of erection,&#13;
and on attempting to cross the to l l bridge was stopped &amp; sent ba ck . I met a&#13;
sympathiser who r aised a quarter for me &amp; a ride all the way to camp , where&#13;
I arrived at 10:30, &amp; joined my company. at[sic] about 11 the Army was under&#13;
\'lay &amp; countermarching before General Kelly proceeded to march 7 miles to&#13;
Weston, &amp;[sic] little town situated on the lines of the Chicago Millvaukee[sic]&#13;
&amp; St . Paul , &amp; the Rock Island railroads. The first Regiment of the Reno In-dustrial&#13;
Army is the Combination I march in, and am in the last rank of the&#13;
rear guard. The Army made qu i te an imposing array., with flags &amp; banners &amp;&#13;
14En d 0 f d·~ v~. s~. on. 156 mi. Omaha.&#13;
p. 11&#13;
Gen. Kelly at their head astride of a fine black horse presented by an&#13;
enthusiastic Council Bluffs citizen. After we had marched about a mile I&#13;
dropt out &amp; helped a sick man along . He had been in the hospital at Camp&#13;
Kelly &amp; being convalascent[sic] had overest[i]mated his strength. I carried&#13;
his blankets &amp; assisted him over the trestles. The army took the road ~ith&#13;
about 12 wagons loaded with food &amp; camp traps. We t ook the short cut by&#13;
the R. R. track, and he was so weak that he got dizzy &amp; nearly fell into&#13;
every trestle we crossed. Leaving him seated in a comfortable place shel­tered&#13;
from the rain which was coming down in torrents, I went up to the&#13;
only store, country store in the town[sicJ . Never did the store keeper&#13;
do such a rushing business. In 10 minutes he was out of cheese, crackers,&#13;
ginger snaps and all such eatables.&#13;
In ten minutes after the army had arrived the camps were formed, fires&#13;
built &amp; dinner under way. Each company's lieutenant goes to t he commissary&#13;
&amp; get[s] t he rations. Though t he rain &amp; sleet &amp; hail was coming down in&#13;
torrents we made quite a meal on stew[,] bread &amp; coffee. As the night&#13;
came on t he wind increased &amp; grew bitter cold, blowing from t he north. The&#13;
men soon scattered in search of l odgings . The owner of an el evator gave&#13;
permission to occupy it &amp; in less time than it takes to write it, it was&#13;
occupied by 300 men. I soon f ound a hay loft in a barn, &amp; gradually, the&#13;
men began to straggle in till it was full. By that time Kelly &amp; off icers&#13;
had been out rustling &amp; lodgings were found sufficient for all, though&#13;
they were quite surprised when they found our barn full. Just as I was&#13;
settled comfortably, the muffled crys[sic] of a cat aroused me, &amp; on digging,&#13;
in the hay beneath my head, found a cat with a litter of kittens. A big&#13;
Irishman &amp; I pretty near had a fight. He wanted to throw them out in the&#13;
storm, but I told him when he threw them out he threw me. The cat &amp;&#13;
kittens stayed. We passed a pretty comf ortable night, though the Mick&#13;
p. 12&#13;
arose with t he cold every two hours &amp; woke me up in his efforts to get&#13;
warmer.&#13;
Friday Apr. 20. Weston.&#13;
We had a breakfast of fish, beans, sour craut[sic], coffee &amp; bread. Then&#13;
I went to the commissary to get a pair of shoes, but they had none. My&#13;
feet are on the ground. One sole is entirely off &amp; I am walking on my&#13;
socks. A special train with R. R. officials came down yesterday, &amp; again to&#13;
day. The Chicago Millwauke[sic] &amp; St. Paul commenced to send all of its&#13;
rolling stock east &amp; train after train of empties , cabo[o] ses &amp; extra engines&#13;
flew past us, without stopping. A rig occupied by Mr. Lemon of some im-portance&#13;
in the Christian Home, drove out and arrived covered with mud, &amp;&#13;
with steaming horses telling us that the people of Omaha &amp; Council Bluffs&#13;
had risen en masse &amp; were on their way to demand transportation for the&#13;
army, of the railroad[sic). Now and again mud covered vehicles would arrive&#13;
with later news, till at last they came telling us we were to go out to&#13;
night on a train obtained by the citizens &amp; which was even then making up.&#13;
Then when it was authentically aff irmed the Army was ordered to obtain&#13;
rations, make a hurried meal &amp; be r eady to take the train. We are the last&#13;
to obtain rations as we were the last to join the army. At about 8 o'clock&#13;
a headlight was seen running down the C.M. &amp; S.P. road. In an instant all&#13;
the reserve fuel was stacked on the fires, &amp; a grand shout of rejoicing&#13;
went up to the heavens. About a mile from town the train stopped. The&#13;
foreman of the section and one of his men were caught in the act ,of tearing ,&#13;
up the track &amp; the man was captured, then the train slowly proceeded into town&#13;
with men in advance to see that the tracks were all right. The train had&#13;
been stolen. Three Young[sic] ladies induced an engineer's son to take his&#13;
father's engine. A train of box cars had been picked up &amp; loaded with Omaha &amp;&#13;
p. 13&#13;
Council Bluff's[sic) citizens. However it was too small to accomadate[sic]&#13;
the army &amp; after the citizens &amp; Kelly held a consultation it was decided to&#13;
march back early next day to Council Bluffs when the people would get us&#13;
another train. The train stopped about &amp;[sic] hour or two &amp; several songs&#13;
were sung by the girls &amp; boys on the engine, Mr. Lemon, wife &amp; ladies, &amp;&#13;
the citizens &amp; soldiers of the Industrial Army. With tootings of the&#13;
engines[sic] whistle, &amp; amid the shouts of the army the train pulled out,&#13;
carrying our promise to meet them next day. A few of the boys tried to&#13;
take the train in preference to walking, but were soon persuaded to rejoin&#13;
their companies. I went up to the commissary where I spent the night. The&#13;
commissary ducks have a fat time of it, but of course they have to work&#13;
pretty hard. I obtained a blanket and as there were no shoes and it was&#13;
impossible for me to walk back I arranged so as to ride back on one of the&#13;
commissary wagons. It was quite a comparison to my quarters of the night&#13;
before in the hay loft.&#13;
Saturday Apr. 21. Weston&#13;
At day break all were awake &amp; up. The lieutenants &amp; men from the&#13;
different companies were momentarily arriving to obtain their morning's&#13;
rations. Coffee[,) sugar, bread, beans[,) pork &amp; jelly was served out &amp;&#13;
soon a hundred different fires were brightly burning and as many breakfasts&#13;
in the different stages of completion. After breakfast a few men from the&#13;
different companies started to walk back to Council Bluffs but they were&#13;
overtaken and a detail placed to prevent the rest from following. After&#13;
breakfast we had quite a commotion in our camp. The captain was no rustler&#13;
for his men, &amp; they took offense at a board he had had painted in which his&#13;
name Capt. Gorman was conspicusly[sic] displayed. After quite an excited&#13;
consultation everything was arranged satisfactorily, &amp; the banner is to be&#13;
p. 14&#13;
destroyed. Then he took me up to the Com[m]issary with 4 others &amp; tried&#13;
to get shoes but there were none. While there a private of Company B,&#13;
San Francisco was tried by a drum head court martial, &amp; on being found&#13;
guilty was drummed out of camp. He was supposed to be a railroad detec­tive,&#13;
reporter or Pinkerton. The evidence was strong &amp; he was convicted&#13;
by a vote of 9 to 4. In the after noon we were visited by citizens of&#13;
Leola &amp; Underwood who begged us to march on to their town where we would&#13;
receive a hearty welcome. After we had speaking &amp; singing we were dis­missed&#13;
to our camps with orders to get the mornings[sic] rations at once.&#13;
The cooks to be up &amp; commence breakfast at four; all hands to be ready at&#13;
six for breakfast &amp; camp to be broke a t seven o'clock sharp. The young&#13;
ladies that stole the train were present &amp; they could not escape without&#13;
speaking . We had a pleasant time at our camp fire Singing song after song&#13;
&amp; it was not till after elev.en that we began to think of sleep.&#13;
Weston, Underwood, Leola. Sunday Apr. 22 .&#13;
As soon as breakfast was over I was up to the com[m]issary but could&#13;
not obtain shoe Every thing was in an orderly confusion. The town was&#13;
turning out to see us off. Companies were marching here to there to gain&#13;
their positions[;] teamsters &amp; wagons were on the go; the com[m]issary&#13;
officers all life &amp; motion; aids[sic] flying in all directions, while the&#13;
wires were working and on all sides stragglers hurrying to rejoin their&#13;
companies. As usual we were last in line. 6 or 7 men deserted from&#13;
Company A, San Francisco &amp; remained around their fire. Col. Baker led us&#13;
back on Gen. Kelly's big black horse &amp; we took their blankets away. We&#13;
had hardly got underway when I threw away my shoes &amp; walked barefooted into&#13;
Underwood 6 miles distant, where after a dinner presented by the citizens,&#13;
I got a pair from the com[m]issary. All along the route inthusiastic[sic]&#13;
p. 15&#13;
crowds on foot, on horses &amp; in double rigs turned out to meet us. fter a&#13;
couple of hours stop we proceeded to Leola the county seat. They sent the&#13;
militia out to meet us, and it was an apt comparison with the Ogden &amp; Council&#13;
Bluffs militia. troop of little children &amp; ladies. We marched through t he&#13;
town with hundreds of citizens joining in our rear to march. It was more&#13;
like Fourth of July than a peaceful Sunday in a quiet little country town •&#13;
• e marched through the town &amp; down a steep bluff to a picturesque spot&#13;
alongside of t he railroad known as Butler's oods, where we pitched our camp.&#13;
Before we broke ranks there was speaking &amp; a welcome by the mayor of the&#13;
city. We were assured of transportation by 150 farmers[sic] wagons on the&#13;
next morning . As we broke ranks there was a grand scramble up the steep&#13;
bluffs to a pile of wood, &amp; in less time than it takes to write it every cord&#13;
had vanished. All afternoon the ladies &amp; gentlemen of the town thronged&#13;
the camp, mingling with t he boys, &amp; in the evening there was a general&#13;
rejoicing . In all the camps singing &amp; speaking was going one,] the ladies&#13;
mingling their sweet voices with those of the boys all hoarse from the&#13;
cold weather &amp; sleeping out nights. The ladies of Omaha &amp; Council Bluffs&#13;
were still with us with their escorts. In one portion of the camp church&#13;
was held &amp; a local minister officiated. In another about 2 score of&#13;
germans[sic] sent their old country songs echoing throughout the camp. We&#13;
had our own little time, the principal feature of which was songs &amp; dances&#13;
by the cook . At 10 o'clock we started to march to a stable in the town&#13;
which our second lieutenant had procured for us. e were stopped by the&#13;
pickets, but Col . Baker came along with quite a jag &amp; a woman on his arm &amp;&#13;
passed us through. He will most likely be court martialed tomorrow.&#13;
Monday Apr. 23. Leola, llenden, Avoca&#13;
We had an early breakfast, but were prevented from making as early a&#13;
p. 16&#13;
departure by an attempt to break up t he Army by Col. Baker. He was ig­nominiously&#13;
cast out. About half of us took wagons &amp; the other half walked.&#13;
Of course our company walked. My feet were so tender I could not walk.&#13;
They tried to get me into a wagon but it was no go. When Kel ly came along&#13;
I spoke to him. But he, not realizing my condition, &amp; thinking I was trying&#13;
to shirk told me a wagon could take my shoes for me. As I could not walk&#13;
I l ay down &amp; the Army pulled through without me. By &amp; by the city Marshall&#13;
came along I[sic] tried to send me on but I tol d him I was going to stay&#13;
in town till my feet got well. Then he hurr ied on to overtake the army.&#13;
In a few minutes he returned with a couple of off icers of the army who&#13;
proceeded to bundle me into a passing wagon, &amp; I was on my way to overtake&#13;
the surgeon's wagon. Just as I climbed aboard about 30 citizen's[sic]&#13;
headed by the Marshall hailed Baker &amp; told him to take the track &amp; head out.&#13;
I rode in the doctor's wagon 8 miles to where dinner was served. We passed&#13;
at 5 miles through the pretty town of Menden. All along the line it resem­bled&#13;
a rout or retreat. The S.F. were riding in advance &amp; all along the&#13;
line the men were scattered in companies[,] squads[,) groups, pairs &amp;&#13;
singles. Our company had no coffee for dinner. That Afternoon[sic) we&#13;
arrived in Avoca where we were taken just beyond the town to our camp.&#13;
Though we looked &amp; were tired when a cottontail was scared up hundreds joined&#13;
in the chase. The rabbit had no show &amp; was soon captured. Another &amp;&#13;
Another[sic] &amp; still another was scared out &amp; captured. None escaped the&#13;
boys. That night we slept in a barn, where the whole company was treated to&#13;
a stiff drink of whiskey before retiring.&#13;
Tuesday Apr. 24. Avoca, Walnut, Marno, Atlantic&#13;
We were up early &amp; underway by 9 o'clock. As usual our company was&#13;
walking while the S. F.' s rode. I walked 6 miles to the town of Walnut&#13;
p. 17&#13;
enduring the severest of tortures &amp; I arrived in a mos t horr ible condition.&#13;
I resolved to go no further on foot . As usual our company had no coffee for&#13;
dinner. Then Col. Speed &amp; Kelly had a row &amp; for awhile it looked as though&#13;
there would be a general fight. But it was all peacably[ sic] settled. Col.&#13;
Baker withdrawing with about 150 men but when they marched out both crowds&#13;
were together. As usual our company walked. ve had jus t had a row &amp;&#13;
elected as Captain our second lieutenant in preference to Gorman. I dropt&#13;
out &amp; with about ten others lay in wait to catch the f irst train. But&#13;
the marshall gett ing alarmed raised the necessary wagons &amp; bundled us into&#13;
them. They carr ied us 8 miles to Marne the next town. All along the line&#13;
it resembled a grand retreat. Pots , Kettles[,] frying pans[,] coats, clothes,&#13;
blankets, broken down men, &amp; in the town a commissary wagon was stopped &amp;&#13;
the cook &amp; doctor were unable to proceed with it till the town raised 2&#13;
for the driver. They then provided another team, but about 20 were left.&#13;
At las t after dark 7 of them started to walk, &amp; as the trains went through&#13;
at full speed, we still stayed. Finally an old soldier provided us with&#13;
supper &amp; teams to go on to Atlantic, 8 miles distant. ve arrived between&#13;
9 &amp; 10 &amp; were taken to the com[m]issary, where we had supper again. I&#13;
rejoined my company &amp; went off to bed.&#13;
io/ednesday Apr . 25. Atlantic&#13;
We are to spend the day here. We are all camped in the fair grounds&#13;
near the race track. Kelly has gone on to Desmoines[sic]. No He did not&#13;
go. The camp was thronged with citizens all day, &amp; in the after noon the&#13;
late troubles were all made up &amp; Baker &amp; Speed rejoined the army. r.&#13;
Lemon was the prime factor in causing this r econciliation. Speed[,] Baker[,]&#13;
Lemon, Goodspeed, the Associated Press &amp; other reporters &amp; a noted lawer[sic]&#13;
addressed the army. A Game[sic] of base ball was also in progress between&#13;
p. 18&#13;
the Army &amp; Town Boys. The Atlantic boy's[sic] won with a score of 16 to 12.&#13;
But the Army boys were not in condition. In the evening I ran the pickets&#13;
&amp; strolled around town. Just after I returned a brass band marched down &amp;&#13;
the camp was soon listening to addresses by camp orators &amp; townspeople. Every&#13;
body expresses a good opinion of t he army, &amp; a great many were surprised at the&#13;
gentlemanly bearing &amp; honest appearance of t he boys.&#13;
Thursday April 26. Atlantic, Wyota, Anita, Adair.&#13;
We had a slight delay in breakfast by the want of bread but that was&#13;
soon supplied &amp; by ten o'clock we were under way. Pretty near all our company&#13;
rode, &amp; I did all day. At 7 miles we passed the town of Wyota , at 14 Anita&#13;
where we had a dinner furnished by the townspeople, &amp; at 22 arrived at Adair&#13;
where we camped. All the trains are running , with a force of Pinkertons on&#13;
&amp; the railroad has issued circulors[sic] against the seizing of trains. As&#13;
usual I ran the pickets, &amp; in company wi t h one Lee saw the town &amp; visited&#13;
the hobby horses. When we returned we had quite a job to enter. All citizens&#13;
had been requested to leave the camp &amp; if any were to remain they would be&#13;
arrested &amp; sent t o headquarters. If any Pinkertons or dectives[sic] are&#13;
caught it will go hard with them.&#13;
Friday Apr. 27. Adair , Casey, Stuart.&#13;
~e were under way bright &amp; early, &amp; capturing two wagons started out&#13;
ahead of t he whole gang. We had a fine rustler driving our team. The old&#13;
farmer &amp; the food, sack of potatoes, &amp; chickens. "You'd better ask the&#13;
wimmen folks. Here they be." We were left by both wagons in Casey , &amp; after&#13;
quite a wait succeeded in capturing 1 wagon for luggage . I nto which a&#13;
great many of us also piled . We raised some coffee on the road &amp; cooked a&#13;
dinner i n preference to driving a couple of miles out of our way to Menlow&#13;
where a dinner was prepare[dJ by the townspeople. With a great deal of&#13;
p . 19&#13;
joking &amp; fun we arr ived at Stuart, having covered a distance of 23 miles. We&#13;
rested outside the town waiting f or the stragglers t o come in before we marched&#13;
through the town. Then marched thr ough the town t o camp. A double line of&#13;
pickets are on duty to night . He expect to make a forced march of 40 miles&#13;
to Des Moines to morrow. As usual the camp is thronged with visitors from&#13;
the town. A great many ladies are present &amp; a few have brought baby buggies.&#13;
Saturday Apr. 28 . Stuart, Dexter, Earlham, Des Soto[sic] , Van Meter.&#13;
Were under way bright &amp; early. Walked 11 miles through the town of&#13;
Dexter to Earlham where we had dinner . My feet are i n such bad condition&#13;
that I am not going on any further, unless I can ride . I will go to jail&#13;
first. It was impossible to get a ride , &amp; I went down to the station. A&#13;
train left at t hree o'clock, &amp; playing on the sympathies of the people I&#13;
raised a ticket, &amp; was soon in Van Met er , three miles beyond De Soto. The&#13;
Army is straggling in but it will be hours before the last ar rives . Gen.&#13;
Kelly intends to push on to Des oines twenty mi les distant. At nine o'clock&#13;
in the mi ds t of driving rain, t hunder &amp; lightening the Army received orders&#13;
t o march. About half started out in the pitchy darkness . We stormed the&#13;
pickets stationed on the bridge &amp; gained the town. Three of our company &amp;&#13;
about a dozen others slept in t he mayors[sic] off ice .&#13;
Sunday Apr. 29 . Van Meter, Booneville.&#13;
At four o'clock we were awakened by a deputy sherif f. Al l the rest&#13;
including my t hree companions walked out the rail road track . I have 8&#13;
blis ters on my feet &amp; more a 'coming so I could no t walk . I went down t o&#13;
t he Coon River[,] washed &amp; then went to camp where I found three more of our&#13;
company. About 400 were assembled &amp; as their a ppetites increased they&#13;
proceeded to the com[m]issar y . They had no orders to issue rations , but&#13;
p. 20&#13;
when we all came up in a body , they saw they had no show &amp; we all soon ha d a&#13;
good breakfast underway . As I can't walk I intend to stay here t i l l trans­portation&#13;
is furnished. te dinner with the Com[mJissary Cook , &amp; afterwards&#13;
went down to the river &amp; took a swim. At supper there were about ten of us&#13;
left besides the Com[m)issary. We were given sausage &amp; coffee but no bread.&#13;
I was sent up town to raise the bread. I went to the Committee of Safety&#13;
who were going to give it to me, when two of the head com[ mJis sary fellows&#13;
came along . They began to growl at me &amp; I hauled them over the coals in&#13;
great shape . ~ e got bread. After supper I walked 4 miles to Cooneville[sic]&#13;
the next town where I slept.&#13;
Monday Apr . 30. Booneville, Commerce, Val. Junc., Des Moines&#13;
I walked 15 miles into Des Moines, arriving in camp in time for supper.&#13;
The Army is encamped at the stove works situated about a mile &amp; a half east&#13;
of the state capital. In Val. Junc tion I met a detective belongi ng to my&#13;
society. Also a fine lady. We all slept inside of the works . A great&#13;
many intended to sleep by the fire but a fierce thunder storm arose &amp; there&#13;
was a grand scramble for shelter.&#13;
Tuesday May 1. Des Moines&#13;
Stayed in camp at the stove works, though the mayor has ordered us to&#13;
move on. A perfect throng of visitors, fill the camp,[sic] while there are&#13;
quite a lot of policemen on duty . In the afternoon the Salvation Army held&#13;
services on the ground floor. Kelly, Baker, Speed &amp; citizens spoke out side&#13;
while the Des Moines boys &amp; Soldier lads played ball. The Army won with a&#13;
score of 27 to 19.&#13;
\ve spent t he evening round the fire singing &amp; joking till 11 when we&#13;
went to bed. It was awful cold.&#13;
p. 21&#13;
Nednesday was spent in camp. No Transportation.&#13;
Thursday the Des Moines Stars defeated the army's nine in a game of&#13;
baseball with a score of 7 to 5.&#13;
Fri day they were defeated by the Army boys with a score of 5 to 4.&#13;
Saturday morning we had two court martials. In the afternoon it was&#13;
decided by the vote of the Army tha t we build flatboats, 150 in Number, to be&#13;
16[or 461) feet long &amp; 6 wide. With these we are to go on down the Des Moines&#13;
river to the Mississippi then on down to Cairo where we start up the Ohio to&#13;
Wheeling W. Va. within 300 miles of our ultimate destination.&#13;
Sunday May 6.&#13;
Part of the Army went down to the Junction of the Coon &amp; Des Hoines&#13;
Rivers where by night fall 70 boats were near finished.&#13;
Monday we worked all day &amp; at night till 12.&#13;
Tuesday the stove works were abandoned &amp; a camp established at the ship&#13;
yards.&#13;
\vednesday May 9.&#13;
we[sic) got under way, &amp; ran down past &amp; over a dam 2 miles to a bridge&#13;
where we waited for orders, till 11:30, by which time over a hundred boats&#13;
had passed us bound,[sic) God knows where. Then as no body appeared we got&#13;
under way &amp; by seven that night passed every boat &amp; were the first to arrive&#13;
at Runnels where about twenty of the foremost camped in the midst of a&#13;
driving rain. 'Ie raised a few provisions &amp; by 10:30 next morning after&#13;
drying ourselves we got under way. We passed a few boats which had run by&#13;
us &amp; camped at Red Rock for the night. We are living without the com[m)issary.&#13;
p. 22&#13;
Friday May 11.&#13;
Had an early breakfast &amp; were soon passing boats . There were two 8&#13;
hours ahead which were impossible to overtake. Living fine. At 6 o'clock&#13;
when 3 miles from Harvey where Col. Speed is stationed to stop lead boats,&#13;
we were overtaken by a round bottomed boat manned by two commiGsary bucks&#13;
captained by the Captain of the day guards. They had orders to take pos­session&#13;
of us but it was no go so they ordered us to wait for the main bunch&#13;
while they proceeded to Harvey. I guess we will have to run past the town&#13;
to night.&#13;
Saturday May 12 .&#13;
After getting underway we soon f ound we were too lazy to paddle, so we&#13;
drifted. As we reached Harvey the fleet overtook us, but bending to the&#13;
paddles we soon left them tangled up &amp; trying to run a dam. After awhile we&#13;
went in swimming &amp; when the boats over took us we pulled in to the bridge&#13;
where provisions were to meet us . But by some mistake they were still at&#13;
Oskaloosa a town of 16000 people 7 miles distant. Hundreds of teams were&#13;
waiting to see us, &amp; I guess on Sunday they went up into the thousands. From&#13;
Des Moines &amp; all along, the banks have been lined with the natives, &amp; we&#13;
would have to go for miles to find a secluded spot in which to bathe, . or make&#13;
our toilet. The boat containing our Capt. would not recognize us. And late&#13;
that night when provisions arrived &amp; the first meal for the majority of the&#13;
boats was about to be cooked, we f ound we were not in it. The Lieutenant&#13;
with his boat took our part, &amp; we cooked a pretty good meal out of our&#13;
private commissary. We are going to hold an election to-morrow &amp; as we are&#13;
the majority we will oust the Captain.&#13;
Sunday May 13.&#13;
Held an election &amp; the lieutenant was made captain. Then our two boats&#13;
p. 23&#13;
pulled across the river where we was hed them out . Our old Captain went to&#13;
Kelly &amp; raised a roar &amp; s oon Kelly[ , ] Speed &amp; Baker came across &amp; told us&#13;
they were going t o take our boat away &amp; divide us into different companies,&#13;
for our going ahead. We told them we would leave in a body &amp; as all stood&#13;
firm after a tally we were forgiven. So its[sic] all O.K. At 1 P. M. we got&#13;
underway and by evening arrived first boat at Eddyville. We held a vote &amp;&#13;
instead of sailing all night wqited till morning when we pulled on empty&#13;
stomachs . The r est of the boats have averaged one meal a day since leaving&#13;
Desmoines[si c] &amp; went one stretch of 48 hours.&#13;
Monday May 14.&#13;
As usual with our two boats lashed together we arrived first at Ottumwa&#13;
&amp; went over the dam on an improvised chute. We were taken a couple of miles&#13;
below the town, which numbers 18000, to camp. That night the different boats&#13;
started an opposition f er ry &amp; the cries of their rustlers reminded one of&#13;
other days . We charged nothing , for payment was opti onal on their part .&#13;
Tuesday. May 15.&#13;
We were underway at 12 o'clock when t he bugle sounded with three police&#13;
boats &amp; about 50 others ahead of us. We soon passed them all but were stopped&#13;
by the police boats &amp; ordered astern. In a few min~tes as we struck the bad&#13;
part of the river, which extends for 30 or forty miles, t he police boats ran&#13;
aground, one after the other. We r an past, scraping the bars showing big&#13;
rocks round which the water boiled &amp; foamed, over others with such force as&#13;
to almost stove us in till we were way ahead of the fleet which was t angled&#13;
up &amp; stranded in an astounding manner . We r an this 25 miles &amp; then almost&#13;
t wo more below the t own of Eldon t o camp . The rest of the boats soon began&#13;
to string in, but by sun down they stopped arr iving , &amp; soon the news came&#13;
p . 24&#13;
tha t a couple of men had been hurt by Pinkertons at the bridge and all boats&#13;
were stopping . Two of the detectives were arrest ed but the R.R. off icials&#13;
instantly bailed them out. By nine o'clock the boats came in all in a lump,&#13;
&amp; they were all greatly excit ed . If any Pi nkertons are captured Woe[ sic] unt o&#13;
them for the men are getting desperate.&#13;
Wednesday. May 16.&#13;
Early in the morning one of our boats crossed the r i ver but 25 Pinker­tons&#13;
refused them l anding . In an instant every boa t was full of excited men&#13;
crossing the river, while others disdaining such slow travel were wading&#13;
the ford never stopping to even pull off their shoes &amp; socks or roll up t heir&#13;
pants. When the p IS saw t his wil d array approaching t hey all took to their&#13;
heels but two who maintained thei r ground. But they were surrounded, &amp; the&#13;
jam s aved them to a great extent though they were still severely punished, &amp;&#13;
their pi stols taken away. By that time Kelly gained cont rol of his men, &amp;&#13;
they returned to camp for breakfas t while he gave the p IS a good talking to.&#13;
We left at 12 with Col. Speed aboard &amp; passing every boat were soon in t he&#13;
lead. Col. Baker overtook us in a buggy &amp; came aboard. The Omaha Bee, &amp; 9&#13;
others of Co. K's boats lashed together gave us a hard pul l but strength &amp;&#13;
endurance won the day &amp; when we camped alongside t he bridge at Pittsburg&#13;
they were out of sight. The army could not overtake &amp; but 5 boats camped&#13;
with us.&#13;
Thursday May 17.&#13;
We started early but the army had already passed. By the t ime we reached&#13;
Keosochwa we had overtaken them, &amp; running the rapids wi t h safety found half&#13;
a dozen stove in &amp; on the beach getting repaired while the pop corn man lost&#13;
five hundred cigars &amp; swamped his boat with wife[,] child &amp; entire outfit on&#13;
board. We rec eived our morning rations &amp; with a fair wind soon passed the&#13;
p . 25&#13;
fleet. They are getting tired but once in a while some crack crew gives us&#13;
a spin to t heir disgust &amp; our delight. We were the first to go over the dam&#13;
on a chute pr epared by the citizen's[ sic] of Bonaparte . We t hen went into&#13;
camp.&#13;
Friday May 18 .&#13;
We passed a miserable day on the water with a chilling wind &amp; &amp;[sic]&#13;
driving r ain. In the after noon we camped in Missouri where we passed a&#13;
miserable night .&#13;
Saturday May 19.&#13;
Pul l ed out without breakfast with Col . Speed aboa r d. With sai l &amp; oar&#13;
we passed Gen. Kelly &amp; t hen Col . Baker &amp; wer e the first in to the bridge a&#13;
mile &amp; a half from Keonkuk. Are all busy lashing the boats together into a&#13;
raft .&#13;
Sunday May 20.&#13;
The raft was completed but the wind was to[sic] high to venture out on&#13;
the Miss issi ppi . We ha d a slim breakfast at six &amp; that lasted all day.&#13;
We pulled out Monday May 21 &amp; arrived at Quincy a t 2 P.M. covering a&#13;
distance of 40 miles . ve had nothing to eat from six the day befor e till&#13;
five to day .&#13;
Tuesday May 22.&#13;
We changed our camp t o Goose I sland.&#13;
Wednesday in camp, busy decking t he boats in groups of f ours.&#13;
Thursday May 24.&#13;
Left Quincy at 4: 30 P.M. &amp; floated down to Hannibal Mo . a dis t ance of&#13;
p. 26&#13;
22 miles, arriving at 10. e had quite a time in finding our camp on an Is .&#13;
on the Ill. side . We went supperless to bed. Am goin to pull out in the&#13;
morning . I can't stand starvation.&#13;
Friday May 25.&#13;
Charley Veiting, known as the "boiler maker" &amp; I left the camp on t he&#13;
island. We went ashore on t he Ill. side in a skiff, &amp; walked six miles on&#13;
the C. B. &amp; Q. to Fell Creek. We had gone six miles out of our way. But we&#13;
got on a hand car &amp; rode six miles to Hulls, on the abash. While there we&#13;
met cAvoy, Fish, Scotty, &amp; Davy who had also quit the army.&#13;
Saturday May 26.&#13;
At 2 :11 A.M. we caught the "Cannon ball [sic] as she slowed up at the&#13;
crossing. Scotty &amp; Davy, who is sick, were ditched. The four of us were&#13;
ditched at the Bluffs, 40 miles farther. In the afternoon Fish &amp; McAvoy&#13;
caught a freight while Charley &amp; I were away eating dinner .&#13;
Sunday May 27.&#13;
At 3:21 A.M. We[ sic] caught the "Cannon ball" &amp; found Scotty &amp; Davey[sic]&#13;
on the blind. We were all ditched at dayl i ght at Jacksonville . The C. &amp; A.&#13;
runs through here &amp; we are going to take that . Charley went off, but didnot[sic]&#13;
return. Guess he caught a train.&#13;
Monday Hay 28,&#13;
Charley did not return. Scotty &amp; Davey went off to sleep somewhere &amp;&#13;
did not return in time to catch the K. C. Passenger at 3: 30. I caught her &amp;&#13;
rode her till after sun rise to ~ason City, 25000 inhabitants, 45 miles from&#13;
Jacksonville . Caught a cattle train &amp; rode all night.&#13;
p. 27&#13;
Tuesday May 29 .&#13;
Arrived in Chicago at 7 A.M. Strolled down to the Post Office &amp; found&#13;
9 letters, one r egistered awaiting me. Received 4 in Gr eenbacks . After&#13;
mailing a letter I went down amongest the Jews of South Cl ark st. where after&#13;
a great deal of wrangling &amp; talking I bought shoes, over coat , hat, pants &amp;&#13;
s hirt. Then with a shave &amp; a good dinner I started out to see the sights.&#13;
Went to the theatre in the evening , &amp; then to bed. The first bed I had lain&#13;
in since leaving home.&#13;
Wednesday May 30. Decoration Day&#13;
I spent the better part of the day at the World's Fair grounds . In the&#13;
evening went to the Salvation Army &amp; then to another 15 cent Bed[sicJ .&#13;
Thursday May 31.&#13;
ent out in the morning t o Lincoln Park &amp; at 12 took the steamer City of&#13;
Chicago for St. Joseph, Mich. It is a 60 mile run across Lake Michigan. I&#13;
found Aunt Mary lived a mile &amp; a half from town, but I was soon there receiving&#13;
a hearty welcome.&#13;
Character Studies .&#13;
Stew. His manner of beating trains. Sleeping with one eye open. How&#13;
he missed the Industrial Army, &amp; lost his stew at Roseville Junction.&#13;
The English Lad.&#13;
How he had the gi ggles. How he worked in the res turaunt[sic] at Truckee&#13;
chasing chickens in t he yard &amp; only catching one. Swipe[sic] 6 tenderloin&#13;
stakes[sic] &amp; his pockets full of potatoes. Rolling cigar s for all hands .&#13;
The Irish boy from Dublin. His good advice &amp; evil tendencies.&#13;
The long lean Yankee from Cairo. "Nay as well have the game as the&#13;
name . " If the old folks would only know how to treat a fellow when he comes&#13;
home &amp; not give him any guff it would be all right . " Going home to feed up,&#13;
pass the winter &amp; be in good condition for next summer .&#13;
The Irishman in Terrace &amp; his intelligence &amp; t ravels .&#13;
~he lad from Minneapolis Minnesota, &amp; his postal order.&#13;
The swede from Chicago.&#13;
The Turk &amp; the Greek .&#13;
Incidents &amp; Adventures&#13;
The brakeman coming over the Hill. "Dig uplt Dig up"[ sic] How much stuff&#13;
have you got. Dig up." No I \'JQuldnot take a man ' s l ast cent. If I take&#13;
your tobacco what are you going to do? No. What not even the price of the&#13;
whiskey. Well seeing as you fellows aint going to treat I 'll have to do it&#13;
my self. Produces bottle &amp; drinks while "the jeweler" holds t he lantern&#13;
on high . Then treats all ha nds to a swig except Stew who only gets a smell&#13;
of the cork. Gives us warning &amp; tips as to our line of action at the&#13;
diff erent stations. Bids us good bye jus t before entering the snowsheds.&#13;
How we got ditched at Truckee .&#13;
Falling asleep in the chairs at the Hotel &amp; getting the bounce.&#13;
The burning overcoat &amp; flying cinders as I was crossing the desert on&#13;
a through freight going f i fty miles an hour.&#13;
Breaking &amp; passing coal for a division.&#13;
The great preponderance of Swedes &amp; Germans.&#13;
Honesty of a grea t majority of hobos , &amp; good heartedness. Good Counsel .&#13;
The majority willing &amp; eager for work . Gathering in groups &amp; discussing t he&#13;
chances in different parts of t h€ country.&#13;
The depot deserted during the day. Only perhaps a couple of . hobos to be&#13;
seen . As the shades of night draw on they begin to issue from their retreats&#13;
&amp; soon t here is a crowd congregated of from 12 or 15 to 50.&#13;
p. 30&#13;
Sl eeping i n the round house by the stove. An everchanging crowd. Coming&#13;
&amp; going as every train pulls in or out.&#13;
Sleeping in t he Electric Li ght Works in Evanston. The horrible heat . My&#13;
restles sness . Searching for wa t er. Kindly directed t o go down through the&#13;
s now to the river. Sitt ing in the snow till I fro ze then back t o the boilers&#13;
where I baked.&#13;
The two cattle punchers. Long &amp; Shorty &amp; their carouse in Rock Springs.&#13;
Scraps &amp; drinks between.&#13;
The red hot cinder striking in the hollow of the neck .&#13;
madman.&#13;
cting l ike a&#13;
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The Kangaroo Court. With 50 &amp; 25 cops . Recreat ion Song or dance the&#13;
J udge .&#13;
Grumbling before dinner, happy after dinner .&#13;
Breaking camp in Van Meter in t he midst of the thunder s torm. Storming&#13;
the com[m]issary next morning .&#13;
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C.P.&#13;
U.P.&#13;
U. T. L.&#13;
C. F.T.&#13;
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Central Pacific&#13;
Union Pacific&#13;
Union Tank Line&#13;
California Fruit Transportation&#13;
" " Express&#13;
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batter.&#13;
set down&#13;
hound out&#13;
poke out&#13;
privates&#13;
mooching&#13;
kip&#13;
shiv.&#13;
floater .&#13;
chuck&#13;
smondge[?]&#13;
scoffs&#13;
Java&#13;
Jerryhorse&#13;
Jerry gang&#13;
wipe&#13;
floppins&#13;
mulligan.&#13;
rollin a stiff&#13;
Alke stiff&#13;
Alke gang&#13;
lum&#13;
light piece&#13;
dynamiter.&#13;
glam .&#13;
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As for judging and blaming the parents without talking to any of us is wrong. Just because we love our kids and don’t want them harmed doesn’t mean we haven’t’ taught them right from wrong. We do know where they are, whom they’re with, etc. We, also, don’t condone their trespassing as you imply, No, they are not perfect. But neither are we. And, I have to tell you that I was very surprised to see that some of you listed your homes in Cache Valley. For as perfect as you think you are, I would have thought you would have been translated by now. &#13;
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To the editor:
I believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But, I would think that before they offered it publicly they would make sure that they were informed on the subject. (I’m speaking to several women who have written recent letters to the editor). 

To be informed, you’d have to talk to all involved and get the whole story, not take half statements from the media as the way it really happened. The only ones who have done that are Scott Wyatt, Cache County attorney, and the Sheriff’s Department. That makes them the only ones qualified to make an honest judgement of this vase, which they did. 

The thing that people need to understand is yes, these kids did break the law, they trespassed. And they are very sorry and are willing to take their punishment. They have learned great lessons from this experience. Good and bad.

But, because they broke the law, it didn’t give the adults up there the right to break it too. And to a greater extent we are comparing trespassing with no intent to vandalize, with aggravated assault. There is a big difference. (I speak for the second group of kids, as I don’t know any of the first.) In any case, abuse in any form (physical, verbal, mental) will not be tolerated. To say the kids deserved what they got is sick. No one deserves that!

You all can say over and over how you would react. But until it is your daughter being fondled or your son with a gun to his head, his life being threatened, you don’t know! I can guarantee your self righteous ideas will change really fast when it happens.  

As for judging and blaming the parents without talking to any of us is wrong. Just because we love our kids and don’t want them harmed doesn’t mean we haven’t’ taught them right from wrong. We do know where they are, whom they’re with, etc. We, also, don’t condone their trespassing as you imply, No, they are not perfect. But neither are we. And, I have to tell you that I was very surprised to see that some of you listed your homes in Cache Valley. For as perfect as you think you are, I would have thought you would have been translated by now. 

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Three men were charged on six counts of felony aggravated assault because =of the exceissive fore they used to restrain 38 trespassing youth at St. Anne’s retreat last Friday, Cache County Attorney Scott Wyatt said.

The three men who have been identified as John Lemon Jeppson, Christopher Lynn Doerr and Arthur Benjamin Peasnall. 

Aggravated assault is a third degree felony, under Utah law, and carries with it a possible sentence of up to five years in prison.

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Charges would not be filed in response to one girl’s complain that she had been inappropriately touched.

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St. Anne's Retreat Legends
Russell Jones
English/History 5700
Professor Gabbert
Utah State University
Spring 2010
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RJ 1 • There's Been a Scandal, Here Are The Facts
"Why do history books divide time up according to wars instead of the periods of peace?
Because it's interesting, and because, on some level, people like seeing big things fall apart."
Michael Garibaldi, Babylon 5
I first heard of the nunnery in fifth or sixth grade myself. I didn't even know the name of
it until I began this project. It was always just "the nunnery up in Logan Canyon." I'd been
told it several times and the story was ,~lways pretty close to the same. Some nuns had gotten
pregnant up there and drowned their babies in a pool to cover it up. On a certain night -
whether it was a full moon, or a night without a moon, that part always changed - you could go
up there and you'd see the pool filled with water and dead babies floating in it. I never gave it
much thought, honestly. People rarely do when it comes to local legends. • The nunnery, St. Ann's retreat, has been a part oflocallegend for a long time. One of
the sources I interviewed stated that people had been going up there on legend trips since before
he'd been patrolling the area as a police officer. His estimate was forty years. Recently, razor
wire was set up around the place and security guards were hired to keep trespassers out. This
didn't stop trespassers, though; at least, not until a security guard caught a group of students and
tied them up and threw them in the empty pool to scare them. This case was well documented
and became quite a scandal. It brought the nunnery back into the public mind, which seemed to
have forgotten about it.
Thinking on this event was part of the reason why I chose St. Ann's retreat for my
project. The other part of the reason was that I thought it was a common legend that everybody
knew and that it would be simple. Naturally, I expected some variation from one story to the
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people who knew of it. Of the fifty different people I asked in my initial excursion, only five
actually knew the legend. Oh, everybody knew the haunted nunnery existed, because of the
recent scandal, but nobody would admit to knowing exactly why people would go up their in the
first place. This was quite frustrating at first, but as I continued my quest to find people who
knew the legend, a common element showed itself in people's hesitation: they didn't have the
Facts.
You'll notice this immediately in the story I collected from Greg Nielsen, who was the
most willing person I collected from. He prefaces his story with an explanation of how he
knows about the place: his grandfather helped build it. He then gave a disclaimer that the story
is as he "understood it," not necessarily according to the Facts. Facts were so important to him
that he even stopped by my home later to correct a mistake; his wife had informed him that the
uranium tycoon built the place first and the Catholic church acquired it later.
This disclaimer was another common element. People would stress that what they were
telling me was a story. As I did my collecting, I noticed that I had to emphasize this as well in
order to get them to tell it. If I opened up my interview by asking what people know about St.
Ann's retreat, they clammed up instantly and no amount of prodding could convince them to talk.
If, however, I asked them to tell me what others had told them about it, I had a much greater
chance of getting them to speak. This happened with Jeff in the most dramatic way. When I
first told myoid friend I was collecting performances of the legend, he insisted that he'd be a bad
source because he didn't know that much about it. I had to keep asking for several days and
eventually got him to open up by asking him to tell me specifically what he'd been told by others.
Even after I'd completed the interview and moved on, he would continue to remind me
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afterward that what he said probably wasn't the Facts. When I confronted him about this and
said that the real facts, what little I had, suggested that the story never actually happened,
however, he quickly became defensive and looked for ways to justify it. From his own mouth,
"well, you can't really know for sure that it didn't happen. I mean, the Catholic church is always
trying to cover up things like this." Interesting, that someone so unwilling to talk without the
Facts would have such a strong reaction against the suggestion that Facts seemed to say the event
never happened at all.
This point about the Catholic church covering things up came back again when I
interviewed my mother. "But I guess I always kind of believed that because when we went to
Rome with our family that was the story there too, that a lot of the nuns, that they found babies
cemented into the walls of the underground tunnels throughout the city of Rome." I think this
may be one of the keys to explaining why there would be a legend surrounding an abandoned
Catholic retreat. While all the stories have some pretty wild variation - some say the ghost is of
the babies, some say its of the nun who drowned a baby, etc. - but aside from an obsession with
facts, they all have one element in common: scandal.
It is well known that members of the Catholic clergy cover up scandals because they have
been caught in it. Stories of Catholic priests involved in illicit sexual acts have been hanging
around them for centuries because it's such a taboo. People love scandal and will look for it
wherever they can. The fact that there have been stories of this confirmed in the public mind
through news media have probably served to increase these stories. That the date of the event
involving the security guard and the kids, October 15, 1997 (Herald Journal), seems to coincide
with the trial, sentencing and death of one of the priests involved in the sex scandal lends a bit of
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credence to this conclusion. According to BBC news, Brendan Smyth pled guilty 96 counts of
child molestation in 1997 and died one month into serving his sentence (BBC Online). A search
of website dedicated to holding priests involved in sex scandals accountable for their actions also
yielded a considerable number of priests exposed or tried in 1997
(http://www.bishop-accountability.orglirishpriestsinus/).Itis important to note that
these are internet sources and therefor may not be entirely reliable. Although there are plenty of
articles about Brendan Smyth easily available, time constraints made it impossible for me to go
through and verify every priest tied to a scandal in 1997 for this assignment, but the correlation is
strong enough that it's probably worth a followup study to confirm it at a later time.
The interest in a scandal also comes up in the version I collected from Josh Mecham. He
said, "I know that it was a place for nuns to go up that were pregnant and would kill their
babies." One of the only ones I collected that didn't need to be coaxed into talking by reminding
him that I was only looking for how it was told, Josh specifically says he "knows" how things
happened. His story is also the most gruesome in its implications, suggesting that not only did a
baby drowning happen there, but that St. Ann's retreat existed specifically for that purpose. You
see scandalous details emphasized in other stories as well. In Jeffs, the nuns drown a baby born
from a woman who was not a member ofthe clergy and in Danielle's the Mother Superior
drowns the baby for the nun to cover up the truth. In Tawny's version, the first thing she makes
known is that nuns aren't allowed to have babies. Like Josh, she also said that St. Ann's Retreat
was a place where nuns were supposed to drown the babies, but the way she said it was off-hand,
as if she didn't see the implications ofthat, but the fact that nuns weren't supposed to have
babies was very important. This was also emphasized in the story told by Nathan. "You know
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the nuns can't have sex, or aren't supposed to. To cover it up, they would drown the babies in a
pool."
This is very interesting to me in light of earlier studies I did on "The Hook" and
information I've picked out from other urban legends. I made a special point in my report about
how the people being punished in the urban legend were people who broke the taboo of
pre-marital sex. In the story ofthe kidney heist, it's a man out looking to pick up women in a
bar who gets his organs stolen. There are even urban legends about children swearing on live
broadcasts of kid shows, such as "Bozo, the Clown," or that Mr. Rogers was secretly a child
molester, which was the reason why children were never seen on his show. (Brunvand)
Scandal seems to be a very important element to urban legends and the more fervently the taboo
is preached, the more emphasis is placed on the breaking of it in the telling of the story .
At first, I thought that the correlation to stories in the news was the cause of the obsession
with Facts in the tellings and that may very well have something to do with it, but the more I've
gone over the tellings, the more I think that the scandal is at fault. It is more a interesting and
juicy story to tell if Facts seem to back it up. Facts mean that it Actually Happened, that it
wasn't just a story somebody Made Up to scare us all. It's important that the story be true,
because the possibility of a scandal isn't as interesting as one that actually happened. It would
be particularly interesting to see if the way Catholics tell the story is different from how the LDS
sample I collected from tell it. I would bet that if they would be willing to tell it at all, there
would be a lot less emphasis placed on the taboos broken. They might be more inclined to tell
the version of the story in which it was just one nun who got pregnant to minimize the scandal.
As interesting as all this speculation is, it's nothing but speculation, because I did not find any
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Catholics to ask. Still, this would be another interesting area to follow up on.
When I first started this project, I expected a simple essay. I thought I'd make some
points about the gender roles like Tatar did in OjfWith Their Heads, and say a few things about
the common elements of urban legends brought up by Brunvand and possibly make a few
statements about a legend in an LDS area laying blame on the Catholic church. I believed it
would just be another small project for me to demonstrate a large amount of information I'd been
spoon-fed in class, but as I collected the stories and examined them in detail, new things came to
the surface that were of far greater interest. The importance on Facts, the emphasis on scandal
and the correlation of the documented legend trip that went bad to the arrest and trial of several
Catholic priests caught in sex scandals; I hadn't predicted any of this. It's given me a lot of
interesting areas for myself and others to look into in future research projects on the subject, as
well as given me a new perspective to examine urban legends from. And, above all, this
experience has hammered home the importance of keeping an open mind and not going into a
collection project with to many specific ideas in mind .
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Allen, Paul (October 14,2000). Thrillseekers Steer Clear of Canyon. Harold Journal.
Retrieved from:
http://news.hjnews.com/article6aS07c12-eSb4-Se22-S77c-a6cdaSfOf929.html
Anonymous (2004). Bishop Accountability. Retrieved from:
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/irish priests in usl
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BBC Online - No Author Given (2010, March 15). Profile of Brendan Smyth. BBe News
Online. Retrieved from:
http://news.bbc.co.ukl2/hi/uk news/northern ireland/8567868.stm
Brunvand, Jan Harold (1981). The Vanishing Hitchhiker. New York, NY: W.W. Norton and
Company.
Reily, Jerome (2008, April 6). Abbey For Sale, With Pervert Priest's Grave Included.
Independent National News. Retrieved from:
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/abbey-for-sale-with-pervert-priest
s-grave-included-1339709.html
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JeffJohnson
Logan, Utah
April, 2010
Jeff is an old friend of mine. We've known each other since before grade school and he
was raised her in Logan all his life. He is an active LDS church goer, returned missionary and
currently a student at USU majoring in exercise science.
Context:
I recorded this in my basement for a project. It was difficult to get him to agree to the
recording because he "didn't have all the facts." I had to coax him into telling it by infonning
him that I wasn't interested in the facts, just the telling of the story.
Text
Me: Where did you first hear the legend of the nunnery?
Jeff: I heard it when I was actually in fifth grade, was the first time.
Me: Okay. Who told it to you.
Jeff: A friend of mine in my class.
Me: Okay, now go ahead and tell me what the legend is as you heard it.
Jeff: The way I heard it is that there used to be a nunnery up in Logan Canyon and a
pregnant woman for some reason, I guess she was running away from an abusive husband went
up to the nunnery for shelter. The nuns took her in; she was fine for a while, but the nuns started
doing really odd stuff, started to kind of act creepy. Then she had her child, but she was afraid
of what the nuns were doing, so she hid the child and went to go find a way to get away. Find a
place to live, or something like that. Then she came back and everywhere in the nunnery there
was blood and stuff and her baby was missing and the nuns were missing away. The woman
ended up going crazy grieving for her child and I guess ended up killing herself. They say that
around the nunnery now around Logan River, they say you can hear her screaming for her baby.
That's how I heard it.
Russell Jones
North Logan, Ut
Utah State University
Spring 2010
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Greg Nielsen
Logan, Ut
April, 2010
Greg Nielsen is one of the stake leaders for the LDS student ward I go to. He works at
Thikol as an engineer. He regularly goes to Florida to supervise rocket assembly and considers
himself an active outdoorsman.
Context:
This sample was recorded at an LDS activity. Greg volunteered to be interviewed
because he said he had a family member who'd worked on building the nunnery and had heard I
was having trouble finding people who knew the story.
Text:
Greg: My grandpa did a lot of the rock work up there for the Catholic church in the
1930s. As I understood it, one of the nuns went crazy up there and killed herself up there and
then the church sold it to a guy that had a uranium mine, had a lot of money. He put a
swimming pool in and some billies (?) up there, but as far as I know, because the girl killed
herself there, that's what drove the catholic church to sell it. They didn't put the pool in there, it
was this uranium tycoon that installed the pool and used it like a summer camp.
Me: What have you heard said about the haunting? What is the manifestation?
Greg: The haunting is that you go up there at night time and on certain nights you can
hear her screaming. (Unclear due to background noise) She still haunted the place because she
went crazy. The ghost has always been up there in the mountains above the lodgings. Some
people say it's the wind, but everybody else say it's not the wind that makes that noise, it's
actually the screaming. She screams up there.
Russell Jones
North Logan, Ut
Utah State University
Spring 2010
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Josh Meacham
Logan, Utah
April, 2010
Josh Meacham is an undeclared major at USU. He is 22 years old and recently just
returned from an LDS mission. He lived in California until he was 14, at which point he moved
here to Logan, where he's lived ever since.
Context:
This was recorded at a large gathering in Elk Ridge park. It was an LDS activity for our
ward.
Text:
Me: What do you know about St. Ann's retreat?
Josh: What?
Me: St. Ann's retreat. That's the nunnery.
Josh: Oh. I know that it was a place for nuns to go up that were pregnant and would kill
their babies. I've had some friends actually go up there, I did not attend with them, but I have
heard that on the full moon in the middle room or cabin, I guess there's some sort oflittle pool, it
fills up with blood on a full moon and there's chains hanging on the wall and there's blood seen
around there and it's kind of crazy.
Me: And this is what you were told by your friends?
Josh: Yes, that have gone up there.
Me: Any other times you've heard it told or just that?
Josh: I've heard of kids going up there and some getting possessed and getting attacked
by spirits, I guess you could say. Just rumors, basically. I haven't heard them first-hand from
anyone.
Me: That's awesome, thank you very much.
Russell Jones
North Logan, Ut
Utah State University
Spring 2010
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Joe Yonk
Mendon, Utah
April, 2010
Information:
Joe Yonk is a retired police officer currently serving as a stake leader for the LDS
University student wards. He was involved in a lot of operations involving trespassers to St.
Ann's retreat. He currently lives in Mendon and has been in Utah for most of his life.
Context:
This was recorded at an LDS social gathering. He was hesitant to say much at first
because he claimed not to know the details of the legend, despite having been involved in a lot of
cases surrounding it.
Text:
Me: What do you know about St. Ann's retreat?
Joe: Well, I know that it's supposed to be haunted up there. I don't remember all the
background on it, but I've been up there on several incidences involving young people going up
there at night, trying to stay there. Most ofthem get in trouble doing one thing or another.
Me: Do you have any knowledge of the story that people tell about why it's haunted.
Joe: I don't.
Me: Have you heard anything, any stories about what people are supposed to see?
Joe: I know it's supposed to be people that used to live there. I can't remember ifit was
the way that they die, or, I don't know. Their spirits or their ghosts are supposed to still be
around there. That's about all I remember.
Me: About how often did people go up there when you were on duty?
Joe: In the spring and summer, every weekend.
Me: Every weekend?
Joe: Every weekend, there was somebody up there.
Me: You're serious?
Joe: Yeah, they had to finally put up No Trespassing signs up there. They've been going
up there for, oh, I was a cop for thirty years and they went the whole time I was there and they
were going up there before I was even a cop, so they've been going up there for forty years.
Russell Jones
North Logan, Ut
Utah State University
Spring 2010
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Danielle Grunig
Smithfield, Utah
April, 2010
Information:
Danielle Grunig is 21 years old and an active member of the LDS church. She was
raised in Utah her whole life and is currently a student at USU majoring in English.
Context:
This was recorded at an LDS social event. She voluneered to be interviewed for this
project because she heard I was having trouble finding people to tell the story.
Text:
Me: You've been here in Logan, or here in Utah, this area?
Danielle: I've lived her my whole life, in Smithfield, which is right next to Logan, so ...
Me: Alright, tell me what others have told you about St. Ann's retreat.
Danielle: The nunnery is up Logan Canyon, I've seen it. Basically, the story is that a nun
had a baby and the Mother Superior there drowned it in a pool because nuns aren't allowed to
have babies, or something to that effect. That's all I know. It's technically (?) haunted by the
baby.
Me: By the baby?
Danielle: Yeah.
Me: Okay, what are the conditions under which you can see the baby?
Danielle: I don't know because I've never had the desire to go up there. I just know the
story because my parents told it to me.
Me: Have any of them ever actually told you how it is that the ghost is supposed to
appear?
Danielle: My brother told me that they can hear a baby crying from the pool area
sometimes.
Me: So, you saw it (the nunnery) what was the situation you saw it? Were you just
driving by?
Danielle: Yes. We were just driving by and I'd heard of the nunnery, but I'd never seen
it. I asked my parents about it and they drove slowly by it so I could see it through the trees.
Me: What kind of an impression did you get from looking at it?
Danielle: It looks like a haunted house, definitely.
Russell Jones
North Logan, Ut
Utah State University
Spring 2010
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Dawn Jones
Logan, Utah
May, 2010
Infonnation:
Dawn Jones is a homemaker. She also works part time at K-mart and as a substitute
teacher. She graduated from Logan High in 1976 and has lived in Utah her whole life.
Context:
This perfonnance was recorded in my home. It was hesitantly given because she didn't
feel she had much to say about it. She told it with a bit of sarcasm and she was teasing me as
she told it. That's our relationship, though, so it may be nothing.
Text:
Me: So, I've been collecting these stories of the nunnery. I want to get just see what do
you know about it? Have you been told this story before?
Dawn: Oh, yes, around the campfire, years and years.
Me: Okay. How has it been told to you?
Dawn: It was told to me that there was a nunnery up there and one of the nuns had a baby.
She didn't want anybody to find out about it. It would be a secret. She'd been raped by one of
the fathers there, or priests or whatever. So, when the baby was born, she and the other nuns
that were there helping her smothered the baby. Somehow there was a tunnel or a basement
there, I don't know. It was buried inside the cement somewhere. Now when you go up there
it's haunted. The nun did such a terrible deed that she's not allowed to go to heaven, so she
haunts the nunnery. She's a spirit that wanders around there at night.
night.
Me: Alright. And, of course, everybody's heard about people going up to the nunnery at
Dawn: Oh, yes.
Me: Have you heard any stories about what people say is supposed to be up there?
Dawn: Oh, they say the black cloak floating around in the air, things like that. She
moans and wanders around. It's worth a thrill, but when I was a kid, all the kids going up there
for a thrill.
Me: So you say the nun was raped by a priest up there?
Dawn: That was the story, yeah.
Me (with malicious twinkle in my eye): So he was both a father and the father.
Dawn: *laughs* Yes, yes, I guess. Don't make fun of that. But I guess I always kind of
believed that because when we went to Rome with our family that was the story there too, that a
lot of the nuns, that they found babies cemented into the walls of the underground tunnels
throughout the city of Rome. So it sounds pretty believable to me.
Russell Jones
North Logan, Ut
Utah State University
Spring 2010
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Tawny Jones
Logan, Utah
May, 2010
Information:
Tawny is my sister and she is a senior student at Sky View High School, age 18. She
enjoys dancing and singing and is member of the LDS church. She currently works at a local
restaurant.
Context:
This performance was collected at my home, in the kitchen, in front of my mother and a
friend of hers from Sweeden. She was very nervous as she gave the performance.
Text:
Me: So, sitting here in the comfort of my own home, I am asking you to tell me the story
of St. Ann's retreat as you have heard it.
Tawny: Well, I heard that the nuns weren't allowed to have kids or something, so the
nunnery retreat was a place where they had nuns and there was a pool that they would drown the
babies in. That's the story that mostly everyone hears and so that's what I've heard that they do.
Me: And you of course know that people go up there, or that they used to before they
surrounded it in razor wire and crazy security guards. Have you heard stories from people
who've gone up there, or say they've gone up there.
Tawny: Yes .
Me: What do they say goes on up there?
Tawny: Well, the person that I talked to who said went up there trashed the place.
Me: Okay.
Tawny: They just said it was really scary. That it felt weird.
Me: What were they expecting to happen.
Tawny: I don't know. I think they thought it was haunted.
Me: So what were they supposed to see? What sort of ghost was supposed to appear?
Tawny: Babies.
Me: Babies?
Tawny: The ones that were drowned, but they're in their older years.
Me: Really?
Tawny: Yeah.
Russell Jones
North Logan, Ut
Utah State University
Spring 2010
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Nathan "Nate" Jones
Logan, Utah
May, 2010
Nathan is a member of the LDS church who recently returned from his mission to North
Dakota. He has lived in Utah his whole life and currently works at a Camp Chef warehouse
unloading trucks.
Context:
Nathan insisted on being interviewed when he heard that I was doing this project It was
collected in my basement and he was particularly enthusiastic.
Text:
Me: St Ann's retreat; what's the story?
Nate: Well, what I've heard is that's where the nuns and the priests would go to take it
easy_ Somehow, the nuns got pregnant and you know the nuns can't have sex, or aren't
supposed to. To cover it up they would drown the babies and then they would throw their babies
in the well. I've been there. There's a pool and there is a well, but it's all blocked off. That's
what I know of the nunnery_
Me: So you went up there, did you see any ghosts or anything, or was this after the razor
wire?
Nate: No, the razor wire was still up .
Me: Did you actually get into the nunnery?
Nate: Oh, yeah.
Me: So you didn't see any crazy security guards or anything.
Nate: No, but we did hear weird stuff.
Me: Such as?
Nate: Such as doors moving, not like voices or anything, but we did hear growling. Who
knows, maybe it was a large cat, I don't know. But maybe it was a ghost
Me: Maybe. So you didn't hear any crying babies or anything.
Nate: No, they wouldn't cry, they were being drowned.
Me: Oh, that is a good point
Russell Jones
North Logan, Ut
Utah State University
Spring 2010</text>
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                <text>The Nunnery:
St. Anne's Retreat
Anne Christensen
History 5700
Professor Gabbert
Utah State University
Spring 2010
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The Nunnery
Anne Christensen
HIST 5700
5/6/2010
Folk Narrative is so much a part of life that on an almost daily basis people retell stories,
of one shape or form, to each other. We tell stories to relay life's most difficult and most
wonderful of times. If we're late for work, the reason is often related as a story, retelling the
events as they unfolded to provide an adequate and vivid excuse for our tardiness. As Bruce
Jackson says in The Story is True, "We organize the events of our lives in the form of
narrative ... Every story we tell, specifically or by implication, includes a theory about what
happened and what matters" (Jackson, 8). Legends are a part of this wide storytelling tradition.
In Cache Valley, Utah the story of St. Anne's Retreat is one of the most commonly retold
• Legends. By examining the different "Rules of Legend," the content, style, structure, and
function of several versions of St. Anne's Retreat we can come to a greater understanding of
whey the legend's popularity continues.
The story of The Nunnery, or St. Anne's Retreat, as I heard it when I was in high school,
was that the Catholic Church owned a lodge in Logan Canyon and whenever a nun got pregnant
she was sent there to have an abortion. When the babies were born, they were all drowned in a
well that was located in the middle of the lodge area and if you go there today you'll hear the
sound of babies cries coming from the well. This is just one of the many versions of liThe
Nunnery," but it contains some of the elements that almost all of the collected versions
contain; the Nuns, the death of a baby, and the presence of some sort of spirit that remains • 1
• today. It is these three elements that seem to compose of the majority of the content for this
Legend, but each legend to varying degrees.
The localization of "The Nunnery" plays a huge part in its retelling of the suspicious
events and origins of its haunted nature. While trying to find people I could interview, most
people had at least heard of the Nunnery, but many didn't know the story behind it. When
asked ffDoes everyone you know, know the story? Do most people you know, know about it?
Benjy, a seventeen year old high school student from Bear River High School replied that, "Most
people that have gone up logan Canyon," know the story (Transcription 3). The location of the
story is of vital importance in its retelling, even in the minds of those who told the story. Style
also plays a role in who the story was first collected from.
Callista Christopher began her telling of the story by saying that, "So what I heard from
• my mom when I was little was that .... "(Transcription 6) She begins her story by using the "friend
•
of a friend," rhetorical device. Jan Harold Brunvand says, "In the world of modern urban
legends there is usually no geographical or generational gap between teller and event. The
story is true; it really occurred, and recently, and always to someone else who is quite close to
the narrator, or at least "a friend of a friend" (Brunvand, 4). Callista's use of reference, who she
heard the story from, helps lay claim to the reliability of the source, it being her mom, and thus
the believability of the story. While no one expressed implicit belief in the story of the nunnery,
everyone I interviewed expressed some amount of belief in the supernatural and spiritual
occurrences that made the nunnery a haunted place.
The structure of each story differs slightly as does the content of each story. Almost the
entire story encompasses a bizarre plot twist. Pregnant nuns, which are two things that are in
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• direct opposition to each other, still function within the realm of believability, the true twist
comes at the point in which the nuns give birth and murder their children. Callista's story differs
slightly from the others because the nuns are portrayed in a positive light; rather it is only the
priest that is a wicked murderer. She says after the nun gives birth to the baby and hides it
away, lithe priest guy found out and he went, followed them up there, and he killed the baby in
the swimming pool," and then he kills the nun (Transcription 6). Though Callista's story is only
one instance, the fact that her mother was telling the story to a young girl, makes a gender
. differentiation visible. In this instance, the man, not the women are at fault. While sex is
something that anyone can be tempted by, and religiously speaking, it's forgivable, murder is
not. The murdering of children contradicts everything that a nun, or a priest, should represent.
As noted earlier, Brunvand says the story has often happened to someone who is quite close to
• the narrator. While no one character in the story is known by any of the tellers of the story, the
•
use of the Nunnery site in Logan Canyon as a place to go legend tripping helps lend the story
credibility.
All throughout high school I remember hearing stories of other teenagers going to the
Nunnery in Logan Canyon and being scared out of their mind. As I searched for people to
interview, I couldn't find anyone who had actually been. I went to my brother, whom I had
heard the story from numerous times. He recalled that, iii have known people who have gone
there. And have said they heard things, not necessarily babies crying, but they said it's freaky.
One of the most freakiest places they have ever been" (Transcription 2). He told me to call one
of his friends that he thought had been there, but that was a dead end. He hadn't ever been
there and he couldn't think of a specific person who had either. Hoping that the story still
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• resonated with teenagers today I went to my younger brother and after asking him if any of his
friends had gone up there, he said that one of them had but he didn't know what his friend had
said of the experience (Transcription 3). Ca"ista grew up in Logan and she didn't know anyone
that had actually been there. I called a few male friends from high school, thinking that if
anyone had been, they most certainly would have, and not a single person had actually been to
the Nunnery. They only knew vague stories of people they had heard about going up the
Canyon. Benjy, the only one still in high school, expressed an adamant desire to go up there and
had hoped when I first asked him about the story that I had the same thing in mind. Other than
the increased security measures taken to keep trespassers out of the grounds, I don't know why
so few people have actually been
While legend tripping may serve as one function of the story of the Nunnery, enforcing a
• belief or value is another function ofthe story. Both Kylie and Josh's recollection ofthe story
•
skirted over the sexual issue with veiled references, rather than outright statements. Kylie said,
somewhat comically, that the nunnery was, "actually an abortion clinic for nuns who weren't
really, um, standing by their vows of being a virgin" (Transcription 5). Josh said that, "Um,
apparently they were attractive nuns or locals frequented the area and the nuns got pregnant.
Because it's against their lifestyle to participate in those kind ofthings ... " (Transcription 2). Both
stories refer to the misconduct implicit in the sexual act of a nun. Even Emily's recollection of
the story, with her blunt appraisal of events shows some of the apprehension about sexual
issues. She says that, "there was a nunnery and a" the nuns got really horny, along with the
priests and the priests knocked up the nuns ... " (Transcription 1). She states the facts of the
story as she has heard them in a way that sexual issues can't be overlooked, but she does so
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• while laughing throughout her recollection. Her laughter could be interpreted as discomfort in
talking about sexual issues, or that she thinks the legend itself is funny, either way the sexual
nature of the story isn't admired.
The overwhelming religious population of Cache Valley has historically lent itselfto
advocating extremely conservative views of sexual conduct. The story of the nunnery takes that
to the extreme with associating the Catholic religion, a minority religion in northern Utah, with
sexual misconduct. If the lodge itself had been an abandoned LDS retreat would such stories
have ever begun to be circulated about past inhabitants? This is a question that can never be
answered, but it seems important in understanding why the popularity of such a story exists.
The foreignness of the Catholic Religion to many in Cache Valley can't be overlooked.
The story of the Nunnery itself is creepy. It pushes the boundaries between truth and
• fiction and makes us question the believability of such a story, but its use in life and its
•
popularity make it an important part of, most especially, adolescence in Cache Valley. Both
Benjy and Kaitlyn knew little of the story about the nuns, and the murdering of children, but
they had both heard of the haunting nature of the Nunnery itself. Whether the belief that the
Nunnery is haunted or the story came first, it's apparent that it's a legend that will continue to
affect those all who have heard it and that they in turn will continue to tell it .
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•
•
Emily Christensen
Emily: Go?
Anne: Yeah, just tell me the story.
Emily: Okay.
Anne: What you've heard
Emily: Once upon a time, [laughing] in a dark and dreary land [laughing].. Just kidding.
Anne: Okay, tell me for real. [laughing]
Emily: Well, there was a nunnery and all the nuns got really horny, along with the priests and the
priests knocked up all the nuns and then the nuns had babies and they suffocated them and just
threw them in like the little sewer tunnel things under the nunnery and now there's creepy nun
babies that scream and crap. And that's about it. [laughing] That's all I know.
Anne: Okay
•
•
•
Josh Christensen
Anne: Alright, just tell me the story, like you've heard it.
Josh: My understanding of the nunnery in Logan Canyon, but like, I've googled stuff so I know
other things too.
Anne: That's okay, just tell me the story you've heard first.
Josh: The story is that there's a nunnery up Logan canyon. Urn, apparently they were attractive
nuns or locals frequented the area and the nuns got pregnant. Because it's against their lifestyle
to participate in those kinds of things they would have their babies in secret then they would
drown their babies in the pool that was up there. The rumor is that you can go up there at night.
And, uh, you can go towards the middle of the nunnery, and I guess they filled in the pool or
something, but if you go and stand in the middle of the places you can hear babies crying.
Anne: Did you know anyone that went up there in high school?
Josh: I have known people who have gone there. And have said they have heard things, not
necessarily babies crying, but they said that it's freaky. One of the most freakiest places they
have ever been.
Anne: Alright, thanks.
• Benjy Christensen
Anne: Okay, I'm just asking you what have you heard? What's the story you've heard?
Benjy: Urn, Just that it's haunted.
Anne: That's all you've heard?
Benjy: Well I heard one story. A kid's dad went up there and urn he said there was like scratch
marks, and urn there was a fresh loaf of bread while they were up there.
Anne: Oh really? I've never heard that.
Anne: Do you know why it's called the nunnery?
Benjy: Cause of the nuns ... [laughing] that lived there.
Anne: That's all you know about it? Just that it's haunted?
Benjy: Yeah
Anne: Have any of your friends gone there?
• Benjy: Urn, One of them.
•
Anne: Just one of them? What did he say?
Benjy: I don't know [laughing]
Anne: Urn, Does everyone you know, know the story? Do most people you know, know about
it?
Benjy: Most people that have gone up Logan Canyon I think ...
Anne: Know about it.
Benjy: Yeah, but.. .
Benjy: A lot of people are, uh, don't get out much [laughing]
. Anne: Do you believe that it's haunted?
Benjy: Yeah.
Benjy: That was intimidating .
•
•
•
Kaitlyn Faraone
Anne: Okay, what have you heard about the nunnery.
Kaitlyn: I've heard that the nunnery in Logan Canyon is haunted and if you go you can feel a
presence there. I've also heard it's especially bad at Halloween time, you have to be careful then.
Anne: See that was easy .
•
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•
Kylie White
Anne: Okay, what have you heard?
Kylie: Well, what I've heard about the nunnery is that it's haunted because it used to be a hotel
getaway for Hollywood stars but then the Catholic Church bought it out and then it became the
nunnery where these priests and nuns would go and like escape for a little while. It was kind of
like a vacation for them. But then in reality it was just a cover-up because it was actually an
abortion clinic for nuns who weren't really, urn, standing by their vows of being a virgin. So,
instead of being condemned and having babies they would go there and have abortions. And so,
that's kinda what I heard about it. And then, somehow the children there, I don't really know if
like all the nuns had abortions so they wanted to stay there with their kids, or something, I don't
really know, it's like two different stories. The one with children there, one of the nuns went
crazy, or all of the nuns, I'm not real sure, but they killed all of these little children. Whenever
you go to the nunnery, you have to hop the fence and everything, and you can feel either the
babies that were aborted or the children that the nuns killed, you can feel like their presence and
see them playing and acting like they are real children there anyways and not being dead. It's
scary.
•
•
•
Callista Christopherson
Anne: Just tell me what you know.
Callista: Okay. So what I heard from my mom when I was little was that the nunnery was like a
normal nunnery and that the little priest man got one of the nuns pregnant. And she like kept the
baby full term and had the baby and blah blah and then she gave birth to the baby and hid it up in
the woods behind the nunnery and had all these nuns like go back and check on it every once in a
while and the priest guy found out and he went, followed them up there, and he killed the baby in
the swimming pool. And then he came back [laughing] and like killed the nun up in the woods.
And .. [laughing, He's all judging on us]. So you're supposed to be able to like feel the baby in the
swimming pool. There's supposed to be a cold spot where the baby was murdered And the nuns
like hunting, like hunting, what is that? haunting the place.
Anne: Thank you
Callista: You are so welcome.</text>
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THE NUNNERY
Tristin Merkley
Utah State University
Fife Folklore Archives
Logan, Utah
Mythology; Folklore
Mr Brad Gibbons
Fall 2014
Mountain Crest High School
Hyrum, Utah
• Table of Contents
Release Forms
Cover Essay
Autobiographical Sketch
List of Informants
Item No. Informant Title
1 Rylin Baby Crying
2 Rylin Halloween Guards
3 Dawsin Nunnery Location
4 Dawsin Nun Killing Herself
5 Strattin Dog Story
6 Ryan Selling It
7 Ryan Trespassing
8 Ryan Shotgun Wielding Guards
9 Ryan Built in the 20th Century
10 Ryan Hatch Family Donation • 11 Ryan Private Ownership
12 Ryan Movie Stars
13 Ryan Aborted Children
14 Ryan Fined
15 Ryan USU Students
16 Ryan Pool Cold Spot
17 Ryan Names
18 Ryan Offerings
19 Ryan Handcuffs
20 Ryan Guards Going to Jail
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• Tristin Merkley
Mr. Gibbons
Cover Essay
11/7/2014
Nunnery
I did my report on the Nunnery. I selected this topic because me and all of my friends
have gone up to the nunnery several times before. And it is a pretty popular place for lots of
teenagers to go, and takes their girls. Or dates up there with them to get a good scare and to
get their dates to cling tightly to them. That is probably the main reason a lot of the high
school students go up their. To scare the girls so bad that they need to hold on to them super
tight and the guys really like that so they keep on doing it over and over, and therefore it will
always remain a popular attraction for all of the kids to go up there. • The method that I used to collected all of my materials for this report is that I had a
bunch of my friends come over and then I selected one of them to tell me a few different
stories that they had heard about the Nunnery. After getting interviews from one of them I
would move down the list and interview the other ones about different stories, and myths or
legends that they had heard or read about on the internet or they were told by their friends.
And then they retold those stories to me while I recorded them on my phone in the Voice
Memos, then later I emailed all of those stories to myself. After doing that I downloaded them
on to my computer and moved them all into a new file that I created. Upon doing that I then
put the CD in my computer and went into the new folder and selected all of my recordings
then I moved them all over onto the CD and burned them on to there and added that to my
packet.
After finishing all of my interviews there was a conclusion that I came to. Listening to
all of the haunted stories I decided that the Nunnery is not haunted. Even though there is all of •
• those myths and legends about the place. But I feel that most of them are just myths. They
are just stories about the place that people have made up. Or they have just changed
dramatically over time and now they are corrupted and aren't even close to the stories that
they were originally. Thats why I think that the place isn't really haunted there was just a lot of
things that happened there and people think that it is this old creepy compound of buildings
with all of these murders and ghost stories that happened there but really it is just a bunch of
old buildings nestle in the trees across the river up on the mountainside about seven miles up
logan canyon. And it isn't haunted it is just an old retreat used by the Nuns that is now
abandoned and isn't in use anymore and that is what makes it so creepy because it is just old
and abandoned. And then people came up with all of the scary stories to go along with it.
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Mr. Gibbons
Tristin Merkley
11/6/2014
Autobiographical Sketch
My name is Tristin Merkley. I am seventeen years old, and I am a senior at Mountain Crest
High School. I was born in Mesa Arizona but grew up in snowflake, about three hours away
from there. I have a deep passion for my dirtbike and I love to go and tear it up on the track
doing huge jumps through the air. My passion for dirtbikes started early when I was little and
started riding a little fourwheeler, and when i moved up to my first dirtbike I totally fell in love,
and I have been doing it ever since. In my report about the Nunnery I interviewed lots of my
closest friends, and they told the stories that they personally had, happen to them. They
actually had all of these things happen, and sawall of these while they were at the Nunnery.
My friends like to go up there and experience a really good scare, and I am always right there
with them. The first time I went up there I had heard about the place but didn't really think
anything about it because I was seventeen and nothing could scare a senior on the wrestling
team, but that night at the Nunnery I got really scared. My friends had gone up lots of times
previously but i had never gone with them, my first time, my friends picked the "perfect" time
to go they said. Late at night on a friday evening after we all got off work and met up to hang
out. Once we arrived at our spooky destination we started up the path that went up to all of
the abandoned buildings. After walking up there in the dark with little crappy flashlights on our
phones, we were all on edge, walking really close to each other. We walked past a few
buildings then over to one of the bigger ones, opened the door, and we all went inside. Shortly
after entering the house one of my friends claimed to see a ghost walking on the upper level
of the building along the stair railing, thoroughly freaking all of us out. We all looked up there
but nobody saw anything, after that we were all really scared and went through another
building and that did it for us, we had to get out of there. We all ran down the trail back to the
car and took off. Not really knowing what happened but we could all feel ghosts at the
Nunnery .
• Ryl i n- Rylin Merkley is a sophomore at Mountain Crest. He is currently on the wrestling
team wrestling in the one hundred and fifty two weight class. He likes to hang out with his
woman and can always be caught texting her and he can never not text her because she
means the world to him.
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Dawsin- Dawsin Merkley is currently in the eighth grade and likes to mess with pvc pipe
and melt it into different objects axes and swords. He is also a pyromaniac and can always be
found wit matches ready to burn or melt something to bits.
Stratti n- Strattin Merkley is a very weird little guy. He is currently attending the 5th grade
at Mountainside Elementary. He likes to run around with no shirt on most of the time and is
always good for a great laugh because he is always doing dumb stuff and makes everybody
laugh at how dumb he is.
Ryan- Ryan Parkinson is currently graduated and he is now working at Thompson Electric
and he doesn't really do anything but work and save up money to go to Utah State University
and he wants to become a surgeon and do lots of surgeries on people and get lots of money
because doctors make bank.
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Item 1
Baby Crying
Rylin Merkley
Petersboro, Utah
November 8,2014
Context: Me and my little brother rylin were sitting at our kitchen counter and i asked him to
tell me a story that he had heard about the Nunnery and this is what he said.
Text: Ok tell me a story about the Nunnery. So supposedly there was a bunch of pregnant
nuns that went there and they got their babies and drowned them in the pool. So when you
walk by the pool you can hear babies crying.
Texture: Rylin said that this as just a story, or kind of a rumor that /'Ie had heard about the
Nunnery in the past.
We both thought about how true the story seemed and by the en~ we decided th~t it se~med
false and that the nuns wouldn't have killed their babies like that.
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Item 2
Halloween Guards
Rylin Merkley
Petersboro Utah
November 8, 2014
Context: Me and rjlin were again sitting in our kitchen when I asked him to tell me another
that he had heard or been told about the Nunnery and he told me the Halloween Guards
story.
Text: Another story 1 heard about the Nunnery, the owner of it, hired some guards and some
kids went up there on Halloween. And the guards captured them put them in the pool and
then they shot all of the execution style.
Texture: Rylin said that he heard this story from one of his friends and after thinking about the
truthfulness of the story we came to the conclusion that this story couldn't be true .
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Item 3
Nunnery Location
Dawsin Merkley
Petersboro Utah
November 8,2014
Context: I interviewed Dawsin and I asked him if he knew where the Nunnery was at and if
he did if he would describe it, or tell me where it was.
Text: So the Old Nunnery about 3 miles up Logan Canyon if you don't look for it you would
never see it, it's on the other side of the river. And it is se back into the mountains and fenced
in, there are houses and an old chapel and a swimming pool. The only thing noticeable as you
drive by is the huge gate that is locked and barbed wired. They have guards stationed up
there at all times. the Catholic church used to use it as a place to send nuns that were having
troubles mainly the ones that had gotten pregnant.
Texture: After pondering the story me and Dawsin drove up Logan Canyon and found the
Nunnery and after much more than 3 miles it was on the side of the road where he had
described it at.
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Item 4
Nun Killing Herself
Dawsin Merkley
Petersboro Utah
November 8,2014
Context: I asked Dawsin If he had anymore stories from, or about the Nunnery that he knew
about and that is what brings us to our next story.
Text: Tell me the Nun story. Ok so the story goes that a Nun tried to escape with her baby
late one night. She left her baby in the bushes, to lead the dogs away from her child When
she returned to the spot the baby was missing, so she returned to the main houses. And saw
her baby floating in the swimming pool dead. The Nun then killed herself in the pool, the
whole area was then sold years later to a private family. A group of kids got in there once
before security was beefed up and they swore the empty swimming pool was freezing even
• though it was a july night.
•
Texture: Dawsin said that he had red this story out of some article that he had seen then read
off of the internet.
And after hearing the story I decided that this story could not have happened up at the
Nunnery .
•
Item 5
Dog Story
Strattin Merkley
Petersboro Utah
November 8,2014
Context: I asked my little brother Strattin to tell me a story that he heard from our brother
Dawsin about the Nunnery, which was the Dog Story.
Text: Tell me the Dog story, ok there is a rumor that if you go up there at night and pull off of
the shoulder of the road, you can see the eyes of the dogs sniffing for the babies of the nuns
that were trying to keep their kids.
Texture: This story goes along with the previous story that dawsin told about the Nun killing
herself in the pool and then the dogs are still running around up there looking for the babies of
the Nuns.
• After he told this story we both decided that it couldn't be a true, or real story.
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Item 6
Selling it
Ryan Parkinson
Providence Utah
November 8, 2014
Context: I interviewed Ryan and told him to tell me what he knew about the nunnery and was
up with the place.
Text: Ok so tell me about the Nunnery, it's a bunch of cabins, also known as Saint Anne's
Retreat. the owner is basically trying to recover what he spent on the place it was listed for 2
million dollars in july of 2010 the price has gone down now to about 600,000.
Texture: after critically thinking about this interview we decided that this story was real. We
researched what it was listed for now. And we even took a drive up there and saw that there
was a for sale sign on the gate that went up to it.
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Item 7
Trespassing
Ryan Parkinson
Providence, Utah
November 8,2014
Context: So me and ryan were talking and I asked him what the grounds look like and stuff
like that from everybody trespassing, and that is what he told me about which takes us to his
story.
Text: So there is a lot of people trespass there, there is always crap on the ground like,
garbage and stuff, and most of the cabins are usually locked but there is a lot of people that
break in a lot up there.
Texture: We both thought about the story but after we went up there and walked all over the
grounds and then when we looked around but we didn't really see a bunch of trash or
anything like that but we did see that a lot of the cabins had been locked but had been broken
into so you could still enter them if you wanted to .
•
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Item 8
Shotgun Wielding Guards
Ryan Parkinson
Providence Utah
November 8,2014
Context: Me and Ryan were sitting in my kitchen doing an interview and I asked him if he had
heard about the halloween story with the guards and he said that he knew that story and
decided to tell it to me.
Text: Ok tell me the swimming pool story. Ok n like 1997, 38 kids trespassed and the guards
found them and then they herded them into the swimming pool, then the kids were tied up and
threatened by the guards until the police showed up, anyways a bunch of people got mad
about it and the resulting trial that followed made national news .
Texture: After reviewing and researching the story we decided that the story had to have
been fake because we couldn't find a reason why the guards would have reason to tie them
up and threaten them while they were in the swimming pool.
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Item 9
Built in the 20th century
Ryan Parkinson
Providence Utah
November 8,2014
Context: I asked Ryan if he knew the general area of the Nunnery and if he knew when it was
built or made. And a lot of general information about the place.
Text: Where is the Nunnery at. It's about 7 miles up Logan Canyon, Its privately owned and it
was built in the early twentieth century by the Hatch family. And the land is owned by the
forest service.
Texture: We researched on the internet for stories like this and we found almost all of this
general information on there. And this story is true and real and he was a really reliable
source for this.
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Item 10
Hatch Family Donation
Ryan Parkinson
Providence Utah
November 8, 2014
Context: I asked Ryan about how the Nunnery ended up with the Catholic Church and what
they ended up doing with it.
Text: So what happened to the Nunnery. The Hatch Family Donated it to the Catholic Church
in the nineteen fifties. And they re-named it St. Anne's Retreat. The Nuns from Sisters of the
Holy Cross, vacationed there until it was turned into a youth camp in the eighties.
Texture: After validating the truthfulness of the story and finding out much more research
about the place .
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Item 11
Private Ownership
Ryan Parkinson
Providence Utah
November 8, 2014
Context: He is telling me the story of what happened to the Nunnery after it was turned into a
kids youth camp.
Text: So what has happened to the Nunnery nowadays. So in the early nineties the Catholic
Church, turned the Nunnery into a private ownership. And that is how it has been ever since.
Texture: Ryan said that he heard this story from an online internet source that he had read
about.
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Item 12
Movie Stars
Ryan Parkinson
Providence Utah
November 8, 2014
Context: Ryan decided to tell me some history of the Nunnery and what it was used for
before the Nuns used it and it was turned into a summer camp. And that is what brings us to
this story.
Text: So what happened with the Nunnery before the hatch family donated it and it was used
by the catholic church. So before it was used by the Catholic Church it was used as a hotel for
lots of famous movie stars.
Texture: Ryan told me this story and he said that he had heard it from one of his friends that
he was hanging out with them and then they told him this story. and we both thought about it
for a while and decided that the story was pretty truth full.
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Item 13
Aborted Children
Ryan Parkinson
Providence Utah
November 8, 2014
Context: I asked Ryan why the Nunnery was still haunted or like what still haunts the
Nunnery and why everybody is scared of that place.
Text: So what still haunts the Nunnery like why does everybody think that the Nunnery is
haunted and everything like that. There was rumors in the nineteen fourties that the Nunnery
was an abortion clinic for unwed teenagers. And these aborted children still walk the grounds.
Texture: Ryan read this off of the Old interweb and he found that it is actually not a real storie
and it wasn't completely truth full.
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Item 14
Fined
Ryan Parkinson
Providence Utah
November 8,2014
Context: I was still continuing my interviews with Ryan and I asked him what would happen to
you, or any other person if they went up there and were caught by the police for trespassing.
And he told me this story.
Text: What happens when you walk around up at the Nunnery and get caught by the police.
Well so it's private property so if you trespass and get caught the cops will give you a citation,
and you will get in trouble and fined for it.
Texture: This is a really legit story because i have some friends that went up there and got
caught by the cops and were cited and fined for trespassing on private property and they got
in big trouble.
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Item 15
USU Students
Ryan Parkinson
Providence Utah
November 8, 2014
Context: I was asking Ryan if he had ever heard of any stories of people that had gone up to
the Nunnery and had been caught by the cops and got in trouble for trespassing and were
fined for it.
Text: So do you know of any stories where people have gotten fines and have been
trespassing up at the Nunnery. There was a bunch of USU students that were caught up there
at the Nunnery and they got ticket and fines and everything.
Texture: Ryan is currently going to USU and he said that he heard it from one of his friends
that goes to school with him and they told him the story, so when it comes to the validity of
this story it is one hundred percent truth full.
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Item 16
Pool Cold Spot
Ryan Parkinson
Providence Utah
November 8, 2014
Context: Ryan told me this story because he had a cousin of his drown in a pool and it really
has a personal connection with him so this next story he told because he could relate to it
very personally.
Text: Ok tell me about the cold spot in the pool, ok so there was a little boy who drowned
there in the pool, and the cold spot is because of the little boy, and he is haunting it. The cold
spot is about two or three feet in diameter.
Texture: This story is one hundred percent true I really believe deep deep down in my heart
that a little boy might have actually drowned in the pool and did die there and he is now
haunting it because the is a coldspot in the pool I felt it when we went up there .
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Item 17
Names
Ryan Parkinson
Providence Utah
November 8, 2014
Context: I asked my friend Ryan to tell me all of the different names of the Nunnery and so
that is what brings us to this next interview or story that I have recorded.
Text: Ok so tell me all of the different names of the Nunnery that you know of. Ok so the first
one is Hatch's Camp, the second one is Forest Hills, the third one is Pine Glen Cove, and the
fourth and final one is just the Nunnery.
Texture: Ryan stated that he had seen all of those names off of some website and he told
them to me. And we both concluded that this story is completely true.
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Item 18
Offerings
Ryan Parkinson
Providence Utah
November 8,2014
Context: Ryan told me this story after me asking him to tell me more about the Nunnery and
basically just a bunch more of background information and other things about the Nunnery.
Text: So when the family stopped using the Nunnery, who did they try and give it to first. Well
in the nineteen fifties they offered it to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Then
they offered it to Utah State University but neither one of them were interested in it, that is
when they handed it over to the Catholic Church.
Texture: This is a true and reliable story because they Hatch Family did try to give the
Nunnery to all of those different places before the Catholics took it from them.
(
Item 19
Handcuffs
Ryan Parkinson
Providence Utah
November 8, 2014
Context: Well one day Ryan was looking on the internet and he was just reading a bunch of
stories about the nunnery and he came across this story and then after he had read it he
decided to tell it to me.
Text: Ok so what is one of the big myths or legends that surrounds the Nunnery. Well
according to the article one boy was butted by a shotgun and the little girls were molested and
they all had wristmarks from fake plastic handcuffs.
Texture: This story I think is a myth because the people couldn't just do, all of what they did
to those kids. They would have to go to jail for that.
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(
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Item 20
Guards Going To Jail
Ryan Parkinson
Providence Utah
November 8, 2014
Context: This Interview goes along with the previous story but it tells the after the fact part.
Like how that other story ends and what happens after.
Text: So what happened to the kids after they were found. Well the cops showed up and they
replaced the plastic hand cuffs with real metal ones then they took them to the sheriffs office
and they were given tickets for trespassing. But then the victims parents found out what
happened and the charges were dropped and the guards went to jail for a few months for their
crimes against the kids.
Texture: As for the truthfulness of this story I believe that this one is a real, and a very true
and honest story that for the most part is pretty accurate.</text>
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                <text>TALES OF THE SUPERNATURAL
Bekka Hanson
Utah State University
Fife Folklore Archives
Logan, Utah
History 489!English 524
Instructor: Toelken
Summer 1991
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List of Informants
Stefanis 8jerregaard - Stefanis is a 20 year old Liberal Arts major from Roy, Utah. She Is a
member of the Kappa Delta sorority. and Is a fairly religious Catholic. She throws
excellent barbecues.
Shaun Federico - Shaun is 19 years old and was born and bred in Cache Valley. He is a
Theater Arts major and tends to be dramatic. He also had a twin brother named
Shane. He's just recently married to Susan Federico. Shaun works with me at the
Center for Persons with Disabilities in the AssistivB Technology Department.
Susan Federico - Susan is 35 and originally from Delta. Utah. She has lived in Logan for
several years, however. She also works with me in the Assislive Technology
Department at the CPO.
Jennifer Harding · (All names have been changed to protect the innocent.) Jennifer is a
pseudonym for a girl who wishes to remain anonymous. She Is 23 and from Corrine,
Utah. She will graduate in the fall with a sociology degree, but should have gone into
fashion design. She is also a member of the Kappa Delta sorority.
Bakka Hanson - I am a 23 year old university graduate who has lived in Logan for five years.
I grew up in Salt Lake City and Magna, Utah. My interests include performance,
research, writing, and working with people. (This is what it says on my resume.)
Julie Johnson· Julie is my roommate and a very good friend of mine. She is 22, and hails
from Drem, Utah. She is quite religious in the LOS faith. She is very musically
talented, and is getting her degree in Music Therapy. She is the middle child in a
family of seven. She has more ghost stories than anyone I've ever heard in my life.
Irving Berlin Jones· Irving is a pseudonym for someone who wishes to remain anonymous,
and after you read ·Shelly's Ghost- I think you'll understand why. This person is 21,
the oldest of seven children, and comes from a strong Mormon background. He Is very
soft spoken and down to earth. He also grew up in Cache Valley.
Joe Pitkin· Joe just turned 21 and also just graduated with a degree in English. He plays
cello and bass, and is an excellent poet. He was raised in Cache Valley, and is from
Quaker background. He's also closely related to a certain member of the English
Department faculty who shall remain nameless (Will Pitkin).
Bill Stanley· Bill is a concert pianist extrordanaire, and has played with the Utah
Symphony. He is 21 and comes from a very non-religious background. He also was
raised in Cache Valley, and is good friends with both Irving and Joe.
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Autobiographical Sketch
First of all, I hate autobiographical sketches because I don't have too much to say
about myself that isn't totally boring. If I sound kind of stupid, please forgive me. I hate to
write about myself. Here's the basics. My name is Bekka Hanson and I am a 23 year old Utah
State University Graduate. I have a B.S. in Psychoiogy, and I liked graduating so much that I
stuck around and got a second B.S. In Philosophy. I would tike to get my Maste(s Degree in
American Studies with and Emphasis on Folklore, and I would like to start on this in the fall of
1991. I was born In Salt Lake City and grew up there and in Magna, Utah. I graduated from
Cyprus High in 1986. I was a poor student. I am the youngest child, and have a brother who
Is 28.
I started out to do a paper on legend-tripping, since I was a legend-tripper, but ended
up basically doing a paper on adolescent ghost stories. I got some really interesting stuff.
My favorite story is "Shelly's Ghost, .. which begins on page 36, if you want to read it. This
paper is very long, and I didn't mean to write a book, but it physically hurt every time I cut
out a story. Some of those pages are pictures, and I also was able to obtain a pamphlet on
Gilgal, which I enclosed. (Pages 27-35.) I really enjoyed doing this paper, and I hope you
enjoy reading it. Usten to the tape if you can, because the people who tell the stories are
what make them interesting.
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Table of Conlenls
Cover Essay .......... ............................................................................................. 1
Ghost Stories From Famous People
"Eric elaplon and the Poster,· Joe Pitkin ................................................. 5
"Three Men and a Baby Ghost,- Susan Federico ......................................... 6
Weird Things From Grade School
"The Pinkie Thing; Bill Sian ley ............................................................... 7
"Bloody Mary: Julie Johnson, Bekka Hanson ............. .............................. 8
Legend-Tripping Stories
"The Logan Cemetery Weeping Woman," Bekka Hanson ... ........................... 10
"The Logan Cemetery Weeping Woman; Shaun Federico ........... ................ 12
"The Logan Cemetery Weeping Woman,"Julie Johnson .............................. 14
·The Provo Cemetery Weeping Woman,· Julie Johnson ............................ 14
"St. Ann's Retreat," Irving Berlin Jones .................................................. 15
"S1. Ann's Retreat," Shaun Federico ................................. ... ..... .............. 16
"Kaye's Cross," Stefanie Bjerregaard ............................. ......... ............... 18
"Emu's Grave," Bekka Hanson ..................................................... ............ 20
"Hobitland or Allan Park," Bekka Hanson ................................................. 22
"The Ogden Cemetery Statue," Stefanie Bjerregaard ............................... 24
"The Devil House," Julie Johnson ................................ ............................ 26
"Gilgal or the Flintstone Park," Julie Johnson, Bekka Hanson ................... 27
Real Ghosts Stories
"Shelly's Ghost," Irving Berlin Jones ......... ...... ............. ...... .................... 36
"Shane's Ghost," Shaun Federico ........................................................ ..... 38
"Allysa," Jennifer Harding ................... ..................... .............. .. .. ........... 39
Stories of the Devil
II Jay's Journal, II Julie Johnson ................ ................... ............................ 41
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-Tales of the Supernatural-
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In our American society today. we are fascinated by the supernatural. AJmost every
popular magazine has either a horoscope or a numerology section. In the July 1991 Elle
magazine, most of the issue was devoted to the occult In the form of tarot cards, runes, and
astrology. In the entertainment media, recent movies such as -Ghost- and -Flalliners· have
used supernatural themes as the basic storyline. and television programs such as ·Unsolved
Mysteries· regularly devote some time to stories that supposedly can be explained by the
paranormal. Papers like the Star and the National Enquirer thrive on such stories, and
regularly feature accounts of the supernatural, whether it be UFOs or actual ghost sightings.
Supernatural events are featured in legitimate medis, too, but usually the emphasis Is to
prove that the events in question were not supernatural in origin. There Is even a
professional psychological society that is devoted to the study of the paranormal. In my
own, very non-scientific research, I was amazed at the wealth of supernatural stories that
are being told by people of my own age group, and, specifically, by my friends. These
stories abound, and the telling of one will often trigger the telling of another In a different
individual. This is all seeminglt incongruous, since we pride ourselves on being a rational
society. People like carl~O;and other noted scientists are very public about their feelings
on the supernatural. We ~hink of ourselves as a society that has thrown away
superstition and has become -enlightened- through our advanced science and technology.
We'd like to think that only uneducated people wouk:J believe In such things. Religion has taken
a beating in this Issue, since God and all the miracles also dwell in the realm of the
supernatural. Yet, seemingly in spite of our advancements in technology and science, things
of the supernatural become more prevalent every day.
Carl Jung made a prediction at the beginning of this century that America and western
society In general would become neurotic, and this wouk:J be due, partially, to our emphasis
on technology. He could see the beginnings of it, and believed it was caused in part by the
industrial revolution. We, as a human species, need an outlet to things of the supernatural,
the spiritual, or, basically, things which cannot be known, since the supernatural Is such a
basic part of our own psyche. Religion used to be our outlet for this. Joseph Campbell
stated in -The Power of Myth- that religion is no longer doing it's job. What religion does for
us now is to teach us morals and ethics. It doesn't give us a way to get in touch with that
supernatural aspect of ourselves. We have become a very neurotic society because we have
denied ourselves an expression of the supernatural. By denying the supernatural, we deny
intrinsic characteristics of ourselves. Consequently, we as a society are terrified of the
supernatural because it is unknown, it is unprovable, and yet it is also within us. Most
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psychologists In all disciplines of the field believe that when the psyche gets too far out of
balance, It will try to compensate. This comes out oftentimes In our dreams. If this
balancing problem Is not resolved, It results In neurosis. Our whole society Is off balance
since we are so technically oriented. and supernatural stories. like dreams, are trying In
part to compensate for this.
We deny there is such a thing as -inspiration: yet individuals who work in -hard­sciences
afe often among those who are most Inspired. In hindsight, they can explain their
methods very rationally and scientifically. In "The Will to Power" Frledreich Nietzsche
warned us of the dangers of living in a technological society. "God is dead," he stated. "God
remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, the murderers of all murderers,
comfort ourselves? .. .ls not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not
ourselves become gods simply to seem worthy of it?" And that is what we have done in our
society. It Is looked down upon to have a belief in God or in any form of supernaturalism. In
it's place we have put technology, and the scientific method is the way we worShip. Jean·
Paul Sartre would say we are simply deluding oursetves in a different way. We have
substituted God with the works of man and the order of nature. We do not believe in the truth
of our own spirit, not onfy in a religious sense, but in a non·rational, creative, emotive sense
as well.
We are taught that everything has a rational explanation. We are told at a very young
age that there are no such things as ghosts. We do It so that children won't be afraid of what
we believe Is not there. However, by doing this we deny the affirmation and recognition of
the unknowable. We have no basis for dealing with a supernatural experience. What happens.
then, when an individual has one of these experiences? The most common thing Is just to not
talk about it, which is what Dr. David Hufford found in his research with the old hag
experience. Evidence Indicates that about twenty per cent of the population of any given
SOCiety, including our own, has had this experience. Yet it was completely unknown until just
a few years ago because no one talked about It.
We are victims of our rational society. Those who have had a paranormal experience
set up a logical proof system to show that the event had to be caused by some supernatural
thing. In -Allysa's Ghost- later in this paper, Jennifer Harding tells of an event where helium
balloons moved of their own accord. She lays out step by step why this could be evidence of
a ghost: the beams in the ceiling would not allow the balloons to move, there were no drafts,
and the balloons turned a 90 degree angle. Outsiders to the experience try to explain It
away: there must have been some reason that you overlooked. Even events that completely
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defy explanation can be explained away with -you must have had a hallucination; or -it was
just a trk:k of the mind.- In different societies you could say -I have seen a ghost- and have
that be accepted for what it's worth without any required proofs. Often the person who has
had the experience becomes a person of some renown and respect. In our SOCiety, they are
labeled as crackpots.
On one level. supernatural stories, whether they happen to us personaUy or not.
become a way for us to deal with these kinds of events. These things are very uncomfortable
for us, and the stories become a kind of model for dealing with the paranormal. These
stories start appearing at a very early age, as in the story of -Bloody Mary: and of -The
Pinkie Thing: By doing these things as children and latter on in our teens, we are trying to
associate oursetves with that which cannot be explained.
The ultimate of the unexplainable is the experience of death. As Jean-Paul Sartre said
in -Being and Nothingness: death Is the one experience no one can avoid or put off. Sooner
or later it will happen to us aU. In our technical society, there is no room for death. We
rationalize it as much as we can by understanding the biological aspects of it, but the
spiritual aspect is completely terrifying to us. In one minute there is a living, breathing,
intelligent person here, and in the next there is nothing but an empty shell. Where did that
( person go? Where will I go when it happens to me? What happens after death is the pinnacle
of the unknown.
A strong reaction to this is our emphasis on youth. We want to be the ageless society.
Plastic surgery is a booming industry, the making of old people younger. We don't want to be
reminded of death, and consequently, we have little respect for elderly people. Much of the
time we'd rather put them in nursing homes than have to take care of them In their old age.
We hope for medical breakthroughs that will stop or at least slow the aging process.
The concept of death is a major element in the legend-tripping stories. When we reach
our teens, death starts becoming more of a reality. In my own case, there was a boy In my
class who was killed in a car aCCident when I was a freshman. The thought begins to occur
that death could happen to me. Legend-tripping is a confrontation with death. Oftentimes this
is a direct confrontation, as in the stories where you go to the cemetery to see a ghost or
other apparition. In a non-direct sense, legend-tripping confronts death by confronting the
supernatural. The fear element that is common to aU these types of stories is the
confirmation of life itself. The fact that you are feeling fear means that you are still alive.
But these stories are often about confronting that fear, by actually getting out of the car, and
consequently, being able to draw strength from that experience.
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On a higher lovel, supernatural stories help us come In contact with the unknowable In
ourselves, Joseph Campbell would call" "the journey Inward," Buddhists call It "the
pathway to enlightenment.- We are so afraid of not knowing; we are terrified of the
unknowable. And we deny these aspects of ourselves. Science can bring together all of the
elements of life and actually create organic compounds from basic elements, yet they cannot
make these oompounds live. The process of birth is a supernatural experience In and of
itself. These stories tell us that the supernatural Is alive and thriving in our society, and
perhaps this Is because of our denial of it. The more It Is denied, the stronger It asserts
itself, And in some way, they take the place of the old mythologies, These stories can help
us get in touch with the supernatural in each of us, and help us on our own inward journey.
seeker of truth
follow no path
all paths lead where
truth is here
-8. B. cummings
These stories come from my culture, which means to say that everyone Is between
the ages of 19 and 35, we all come from a predominantly Utah Mormon society, which is
different from a Mormon society outside of Utah, and we're fairly sheltered In comparison
to, say New York, l.A., or Detroit. The drug issue comes out in many of the stories. We
didn't have problems with gangs. Our religious intensity varies widely . . Some of these people
are extremely religious, most come from a religious background and are kind of neutral, and
one was raised in a completely atheistic family. Nevertheless, we all have supernatural
stories of one sort or another. They are independent of religious affiliation.
A lot of these stories are really fun read. Many are humorous, and some are extremely
serious. Some may be easily explained, but the important thing 10 remember is that for the
people they happened to, these stories are very real. The person was effected by It. or the
story wouk:Jn'l have been told at all.
There are five different categories of stories: Ghost Stories From Famous People.
Weird Things From Grade School, Legend·Tripping Stories. Real Ghosts Stories, and Stories
of the Devil. I'll discuss each category as I get to il. All of the Interviews took place In
Logan, Utah, in July of 1991.
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Ghost Stories From Famous People
There are a lot of ghost stories going around about famous people. It seems that people who
don't have any supernatural experiences of their own usually know of a ghost story relating to someone
else. Celebrities are the ultimate ·someone else: These stories tend to be fairly visible among the
members of the specific group that the story would relate 10. Several of my friends who like Eric
e laplon and his music know the story that Joe relates. Many people that have seen the movie "Three
Men and a Baby· know the story Susan relates.
Ghost Stories From Famous People
-Eric elaplOn and the Poster"
Joe Pitkin
July 15. 1991
Contextual Information: Julie, Bill, Joe, Irving and I were al Joe and Irving's apartment. Julie and I
had been telling ghost stories all day. We asked Joe if he had one, and this is what he told us.
Joe: There's one about Eric Clapton and how he wrote -In the Presence of the lord" I ... that's like, it
never happened to me.
Bekka: I've never heard it. Do you know something that happened to a friend? Tell me the one about
Eric ...
Joe: Well. I consider Eric Clapton a friend.
Bill: He's a friend.
Bekka: Go ahead, tell me the one about Eric Clapton and the ...
Joe: Well, like, when Eric Clapton wrote -In the Presence of the lord,- which it is, I guess,
admittedly a departure for, for him, he said that..umm, that it happened, 'cause this was like when he
was, I guess, still addicted to heroin. And ... and he was down at some record shop just buying posters,
and he bought, like, one of Jimi Hendryx and another of something else, I think like Jimi Hendryx and
Janis Joplin. I think is what he said. And he had them, like, rolled up, and he took them home, and he
said when he unrolled them, it was like Jimi Hendryx one, and then in between it, the Jimi Hendryx and
the Janis Joplin, it was this poster of Jesus, that's just sort of like ..•
Bekka: Whoa.
Joe: Yeah, it was Just sort of like Jesus just sitting there smiling, and so he freaked out and wrote -In
the Presence of the lord. - And that's really the only one I know. That's, I mean, I don't know what
happened to it or if he's still got the Jesus poster or if maybe someone slipped it in ...
Bekka: And the guy at the poster shop didn't slip it in?
Joe: J imagine it was probably just like any place, like -buy-two-posters-get-a-poster-of-Jesus­free-
day, and Eric didn't see the sign saying -get-your- free.Jesus-poster day" But I guess he was
really changed by it, so ...
Bekka: That's a good story.
-Eric Clapton and the Poster- has elements that are important to my culture, primarily having
some kind of experience that would cause a person to stop doing drugs. Even though Eric Clapton's
experience could be due to the drugs themselves, or to another easily explained situation, it supposedly
did effect him very much and did cause him to stop doing drugs. This story also has elements of
getting back to religious roots, as well as a lot of pop culture type things (the Jimi Hendryx and Janis
Joplin posters).
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Ghost Stories From Famous People
-rhree Men and a Baby Ghosr
Susan Federico
July 25, 1991
Contextual Information: I quizzed all the people I work with 10 see if they had ghost stories.
Susan: Kay. this is a story from the movie -Three Men and a Unle .... , or "Three Men and a Baby,­And
during the movie, there's a part in the movie if you watch real close when the grandma comes to
visit where you can see a boy in the background. And he is a ghost because his mother called up the
station, after the movie was published she saw it on television and recognized the little boy and those
were the clothes that he was wearing the day he was, he was killed. and that was their home that it
was filmed in.
Bekka: Oh, did you see it in the movie? Have you seen it?
Susan: Um-hum (yes). Yeah, you can see him, he's wearing a red shirt, and you can see him as plaln
as day, right In the curtain.
Bekka: Wow, 00 you know how he was killed?
Susan: Some kind of an accident. I'm not real sure what it was. But he was, he died in the home where
the movie took place where they were filming.
I\le heard this story quite a bit, and it's always pretty much the same. A few of the stories I
heard during the Fife Folklore Conference in June of 1991. This story show elements that are common
among ghost stories, specifically the idea of a violent death in a specifIC place where the ghost
continues to reside. In this story, the boy is still wearing the clothes he was killed in. The fact that he
is a ghost is confirmed by the mother. All these elements are set up to prove that this is an actual
ghost story and not a bad editing job on the part of the movie people.
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Weird Things From Grade School
This type of experience is a Jot more common than I thought it was. Since I\le done my
research, almost everyone I've talked to under the age of about thirty had some kind of little
supernatural activity they did in elementary school. This would seem to Indicate that the need or
desire for supematural contact begins fairly early_ These experiences are a very young form of legend­tripping.
Children are going to a certain place and doing certain things that will invoke some kind of
paranormal activity. Latter the activities become more sophisticated and invoive teen-related
alements, like cars, drug activity, and breaking the law.
"The Pinkie Thing- seems to be a universal Cache Valley activity, at least among the friends I
have that grew up In Cache Valley. The fact that Julie and I both did it in Orem and Salt lake,
respectively, makes me wonder if irs more of a Utah activity. Bill's story contains the primary
legend-tripping element, death, in the form of a simulated violent accident. This story suggests that
even pretend death can invoke a supernatural experience.
Weird Things From Grade School
"The Pinkie Thing"
Bill Stanley
July 15, 1991
Contextual Information: Bill came over to my apartment while Julie and I were telling ghost stories.
( asked him if he had one, and this is what he told us.
Bill: We were In elementary school...
JuUe: Don't go on. I never want to hear any more.
Bekka: Bilt. Just Bill.
Bill: And we used to have ...
Julie: Not Billy, just Bill.
Bekka: Not Joey, just Joe.
Bill: We'd aU gather around .... Would you shut up? We'd all gather around, well one person would Ue on
the ground out behind a tree or something on the playground, and, would lie on the ground, all of us
WOUld, aU the rest of us would gather around him, like two or three on each side, and then one person al
the head, there, with their like hands around the ears, or something. And the person on the head would
like, it would be sort of a chant thing. And we would all repeat after that person. And they would say,
"there's been an accident," and we would repeat "there's been an accident· --rhis boy has been hit by a
car," or something, fallen off a cliff, and he's alt...
Julie: I did this.
Bill: ... and then they say "he's, he's as sliff as a board,· and then we'd say ...
Bekl&lt;a: We used to do this, too.
Bill: Oh, yeah, "he's as stiff as a board", and then we'd say "Call the ambulance." ·Call the
ambulance." -The ambulance is here." "The ambulance Is here." "Lift him into the ambulance." And
we'd aU have our pinkies underneath him.
Julie: And you can lift him.
Bill: And we could lift him. And we'd lift him clear up above our heads.
Bekka: We used to do this, too. Oh my gosh.
Julie: You really did?
Bill: And so we'd get the heaviest kid In the class, and we could lift him up.
Julie: You really did that? I always heard people did it but I ....
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Bekka: We did it, too.
Julie: And it works?
Bill: We should try it sometime.
Bekka: II does. it's got something to do with physics or something. I don't know how it does it.
Bill: We used to do it all the time.
Bekka: We had a teacher show us it.
-Bloody Mary· is a common activity among grade schoolers. My young cousins have done it at
my Grandparent's house during family reunions. It has the legend-tripping elements of secrecy and of
death, but death this time in the form of the supematural event actually killing you. It also has the
common legend-tripping element in that most of the time, nothing actually happens.
Weird Things From Grade School
-Bloody Mary-
Julie Johnson
Bekka Hanson
July 15, 1991
Contextual Data: Julie, Bill, and I were sitting around telling ghost stories one afternoon.
Bekka: Did you ever do like Bloody Mary?
Julie: I was Just going to say ... My brother always did.
Bekka: 'Cause that's what that part reminds me of, 'cause we'd do that and we never could make it
work. But, umm ....
Bill: What does it do?
Julie: You go in the bathroom and tum off the light and look in the mirror and say like, you have a linle
chant and the rules, you have a little hand thing, and it was like this ...
Bekka: We can't remember if it was -Bloody Mary, come to me, - -Bloody Mary come to me,· or
something, I can't remember what it was.
Julie: -Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary: And your supposed to see like an image of a red lady. or
something.
Bekka: And if you do it too long she comes out of the mirror and stabs you with her stick, and kills you.
Julie: I was like in elementary school.
Bekka: That was elementary for me.
JUlie: I had friends who would come screaming out of the bathroom swearing that they saw it, you're
was like, yeah.
Bekka: We never, we never saw it. We never saw it.
Julie: You're supposed to try it alone.
Bekka: We tried it at a slumber party in our house, it was also supposed to be like at midnight, too, so
that's why we figured it never worked in the bathroom at school.
Julie: That must have been!
Bekka: So we tried it at a slumber party. We still couldn't make it work.
Julie: But, I had friends who swore ...
Bekka: But I used to have nightmares about that lady coming out of the mirror, that used to give me
nightmares.
Julie: I had friends who swore that it worked.
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legend-Tripping Stories
This is an extremely popular adolescent activity. It extends well past high school and Into the
college years, as Julie's story of "The Logan Weeping Woman,· and my own show. One of the elements
Involved In legend-tripping is boredom, since the kids usually aren't old enough for more -adult­activities,
such as going to the bar, and most of the activities adolescents can do end by 1 :00. That
makes it the perfect time to go check out the graveyard.
Another element are the illegal aspects, which usually Include trespassing either on private
property or In the cemeteries (in most Utah cemeteries. It's Illegal to be In one after a certain time,
usually 10:00), and occasionally drug use. I'm sure some of the legend-tripping stories could Involve
some kind of vandalism, but none of the people I talked 10, including myself, participated in these kinds
of legend-tripping experiences.
Yet another element of this kind of adventure is the conquering of fear and of proving yourself
10 your peers. Irs really scary to go into a place like Gilgal or Hobitland so late at night. It's kind of
nerve-wracking In the daylight. The fact that you can actually go through with it gives a lot of self­confidence
as well as proving yourself to your friends. Of course, if more than one of the group doesn't
want to go through with it, that is a way of saving face. The rest of the group may still tease those
individuals, but at least they're not going through it alone.
The big element of legend-tripping is the confrontation with the supernatural, and in particular,
the confrontation with death. Death is a big issue in adolescence, and fascination with death is high.
There Is also a feeling In adolescence of being indestructible, so that even though there is a
confrontation with death, it is more of an abstract confrontation. None of these activities are
dangerous enough to cause death, unless drugs or some other element becomes involved. Irs almost a
safe way to see what the other world is like, or to see if there is another world. This element holds
especially true in the stories where the individuals went to the cemetery to actually see the ghost.
It is interesting to me that teen-agers are the ones who do this type of thing. When we get
older, we tend to put the thought of death away, to hide from it. even though the actual event looms
closer the older we get. The more real it becomes, the more we tend to ignore it. Most of us walk
around in our little boxes, as Thurber put it in ·Our Town,- and try not to think of things that will
disturb our mental states too much. Death is the big disturber. Adolescents, usually, like to be the
ones making the disturbance, and, in many cases, they like to be disturbed.
Another element in a legend-tripping story, which doesn't hold true in all cases, is that nothing
supernatural happens. More often than not, the people involved will scare themselves, or scare each
other. The fear does not come from an actual supernatural source, although the people involved would
like to think that it does. These kinds of legend-tripping stories deal more with the adventure aspects,
the thrill-seeking aspects of this kind of activity.
The final element is that of the purely social. Many times legend-tripping will occur as part of
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a date, or as the postlude to a group activity.
"The logan Cemetery Weeping Woman- is a popular story among adolescents here In
logan, probably due to the fact that the cemetery is right in the middle of the Utah State University
campus. There are several stories that the college students tell that involve the cemetery, and It has
become a place of Initiation and nightly activities among the students.
The three stories I've collected differ slightly in the extent of the legend known. Originally, I
knew nothing about the statue, but I learned several different versions of the legend during the Fife
Folklore Conference in June, 1991. In both Shaun's and Julie's stories, the main element of the legend
is that the statue cries. In my version, nothing happens, which could possibly be due to the fact that we
didn't know the legend. All we did was scare some kids. In the other two versions, the people who
went to see the statue were the ones who got scared. The lady actually cried. In both Shaun's and my
version, conditions had to be right before the lady would cry. Shaun claims that nothing happened on
the night I went because I didn't go on the right night. In Julie's story, the element of drugs comes Into
play. The conquering of fear and proving yourself to your peers in an important elament of both
Shaun's and Julie's stories, but especially in Julie's since this activity becomes part of a fraternity
initiation rite. Shaun's and my story have a lot of the social element involved. We went to have a good
time and for the thrill of it.
legend-Tripping Story
"The logan Cemetery Weeping Woman-
Bekka Hanson
July 15,1991
Contextual Data: Julie and I were sitting around one aftemoon talking about dumb things we did when
we were younger, and telling ghost stories. This is one that I told her. It contains some of the actual
legends surrounding the weeping woman statue in the logan Cemetery.
Bekka: The one time we went in, I'm going to put this story in my paper, too, I didn't know there was a
legend about it, I Just always really liked that statue.
Julie: Tell me the legend.
Bekka: The legend is ...
Julie: 'Cause I love that statue, too.
Bekka: Supposedly some tragedy happened, there's like a whole bunch of different stories. She either
murdered all her children, or her husband murdered all her children ...
Julie: Your kidding.
Bekka: My personal belief, and see there's a bunch of tombstones around and they're all these kids that
died when they were really young, and my personal belief is. I mean it's back in the 185Os, or
something like that, they just all died young.
Julie: Right.
Bekka: 'Cause a lot of times there was, like, infant mortality.
Julie: Right, they do.
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Bekka: And she just grieved the rest of her life. Thai's my favorite version of thaI. It's nothing like
nobody killed them or anything, they just all died fairly young, and she never got over it. She was
always known as someone who grieved. because she had had so much tragedy In her life, so lhey
erected that statue for her.
Julie: Hmmm.
Bekka: And on certain times people say there's like, your supposed to like gather round her and say
·cry, lady, cry- three times under a full moon, and all this stupid ...
Julie: ·Cry, lady, cry,- ·Cry, bitch, cry'-
Bekka: ·Cry, bitch, cry-. .three times under the full moon, and she cries, but I never knew any of the
legends or anything. I used to go in there and take pictures all the time.
Julie: This is your folklore thing?
Bekka: Yeah, we learned that in the folklore class. 'Cause I never heard any of the legends about it.
didn't even, I'm sure there were some but I'd never really heard any about it, I just always liked the
statue. We always used to go over to the Catholic part, too, 'cause there's some really cool statues
over there.
Julie: The Catholic part?
Bekka: The Catholic part that's back in the, you know where the HYPER, er, the Spectrum Is? Back
there? Irs kind of back in that comer, and there's a lot of big old statues and big coffin things that
they put over the graves. There's a lot of that kind of stuff in there we'd always take pictures there a
lot, we used to sneak in there all the time, but me and Judy and somebody, one guy, I think it was Dave,
snuck in there in the middle of the night one time and were around the lady, and it's illegal to be in
there, and a car pulled in ....
Julie: It is?
Bekka: ... we thought it was a cop.
Julie: At night it is?
Bekka: After like ten-thirty.
Julie: Oh.
Bekka: I don't know if they'll arrest you.
Julie: Well, the gates are like inviting you in with those orbs.
Bekka: No shit, if they'd shut the gates ...
Julie: They like tum the lights on and leave the gates open. Thars the creepiest. (cut)
Bekka: But anyway, we're in the cemetery and this car comes in and we all hit the ground, and Dave
Jumps behind the statue and it comes closer and closer, and we see as it comes closer it was like a
Pinto with like a couple of kids on a double date. And they pull up real slow to the weeping woman, and
you hear these girls -I'm not getting out of the car, I'm not getting out of the car,- and Dave jumps
from behind the statue ....
Julie: Oh, gee!!
Bekka: ... and goes ·Waaahh!!, - and they screamed, every one of them screamed and they totally pealed
out of the cemetery.
Julie: Ohl!
Bekka: I'm sure we started someone's legend.
Julie: Scaryil
Bekka: I'm sure somebody's telling stories.
Julie: I bet.
Bekka: The windows were all rolled up and everything and you could hear all of them, even the guys
were all, ·Wahhhhll,· they all screamed.
Julie: That is hilarious.
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Legend-Tripping Story
-rhe logan Cemetery Weeping Woman-
Shaun Federico
July 25, 1991
Contextual Data: I had told the people I work with about my folklore class and how I had to write a
paper on the supernatural. Shaun had several stories he wanted to share.
Shaun: Kay. you go up to the cemetery ...
Bekka: Un-hun (yes).
Shaun: ... you go walk all the way back, and there's this huge lady, and next ... her head's like leaning
down and her hand's like this. (Demonstrates) And if you go right up to her. you go about twelve 0'
clock, you go up there, and there will be tears coming down her face, and you can touch them.
Bekka: Um-hm (yes). Did you do it?
Shaun: Yes. And there's water.
Bakka: Was there water when you touched it?
Shaun: Yes, and there's tears.
Bekka: So lell me about the trip when you guys went.
Shaun: When we went on the trip there was like about seven of us, we, and I had, and It was my first
time going up there, I went up there. and ... it was after a show. I did. And we went up there and we got
there and they drove us all the way to the top. And some, somebody went and touched her and just
started freaking out. I mean she, he, she was like running all over and she was all, and I was like ·oh.
my heck, what's going on?- And we all got totally scared. I mean we were... And the car stalled. It
didn't, it wouldn't start.
Bekka: Oh, my gosh.
Shaun: I thought -this is too reaL-I thought -let's get out.­Bekka:
Oh, my gosh!
Shaun: So I'm like walking back, I'm like running, actually, I ain't walking it, I'm running out, and that,
that's it. I'm not going to go there ever again. I haven't been there ever since.
Bekka: Cool. That's a good one.
Shaun: But you'll have to go up there and see it.
Bekka: I've been up there and seen it but she's never cried for me.
Shaun: She hasn't?
Bekka: Um·mm (no).
Shaun: You have to go about twelve o' clock. when we went on October 31 sl.
Bekka: Oh, did you?
Shaun: Yep.
Bekka: Was it like a full moon or anything. or just the day?
Shaun: Full moon.
Bekka: Wow.
Shaun: It has to be a full moon, I think.
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legend-Tripping Story
"The logan Cemetery Weeping Woman-
Julie Johnson
July 15, 1991
Contextual Data: Julie and I sat around one afternoon and told ghost stories. She had some really good
ones, and this is one of them.
Julie: My frat friend said they went out there once for one of their initiation things, and my friend
swears she was crying blood. I don't know what they had 10 do, but they were all trashed. They were
like going in there for some dare, to do like a treasure hunt or something and they had to gather all
these clues out of the cemetery, and he swears - he's really cool, too - he swears. Maybe they were
on acid, something.
Bekka: I was going to say, "what were they taking:
Julie: He swears she, it was in blood.
Bekka: She does have tear stains on her face.
Julie: That's weird, I never noticed that.
Bekka: But it could be just because the way the rain around her drips.
Julie: Probably.
Bekka: That mIght be where the rainwater would naturally drip, because the way she, they would, the
tears could gather when it rains in her eyes and then ....
Julie: 'Cause thars really creepy.
"The Provo Cemetery Weeping Woman- is a variation on the weeping woman theme. To make
her cry, you have to go on certain nights when there is a full moon.
Legend-Tripping Story
"The Provo Cemetery Weeping Woman-
Julie Johnson
July 15, 1991
Contextual Oata: Julie told me this story the same day as the Logan weeping woman stories were told.
Julie: In the Provo cemetery they have a lady like the one in Logan.
Bekka: That weeps?
Julie: Either she's weeping or she's standing, but that was like a big thing, people would always go out
there and say she was crying on certain fun moons.
Bekka: Did you know what they had to do to make her cry?
Julie: Uh-uh (no).
Bekka: Was there something special?
Julie: No.
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·St. Ann's Retreat- is a legend about a nunnery up in Logan Canyon. In both of the stories I
collected, babies were killed, although the actual details of how many and why this happened are a little
bit confused. Shaun puts forth proof in the form of newspaper articles he's collected about the story.
In Irving's story, nothing happens that is supernaturally related, but he feels this is due to the group's
lack of spirit during the trip. In Shaun's story. quite a bit happens, including the theory that his brother
Shane puts forth that the floors were shined with blood. Both stories have dogs that are known for
their viciousness in them. Both stories have a lot of social elements, especially Shaun's where he and
his friends went up for a barbecue and a picnic while they waited for It 10 get dark before they started
the actual legend-trip. What's interesting is that they couldn't find the place again after that adventure.
Legend-Tripping Story
-St. Ann's Retreat-
Irving Berlin Jones
July 15, 1991
Contextual Data: Irving, Bill, Joe, Julie and I were at Joe and Brad's apartment and were telling ghost
stories.
Irving: We went to S1. Ann's Retreat and heard that if you walked, either walked backwards up the
trail and say -hecketa, hecketa, hecketa· the whole way and then when you get up there you're
supposed to be able to see either the dogs in the bottom of the pool or else a baby in the bottom of the
pool..
Julie: Really?
Irving: .. .'cause this nun supposedly had a baby and drown it to hide it from people, or her, the other
sisters in the convent drown it to hide it from the people, and you ... you're supposed to up there when
it's a full moon or else walk backwards and say -heckaty* or something, and you can eth ... and some
people say they can hear the dogs, that you can hear the dogs bark. 'Cause apparently the chick had
two dogs, like big German shepherds, so you either see them or the baby in the pool or hear them bark,
but.. ..
Julie: Is there a pool up there?
Bekka: Like a swimming pool, or .. . ?
Irving: Yeah.
Julie: Little a pond, or a pool?
Irving: A, like a pool. But nothing happened when we did it.
Bekka: You guys just walked up there?
Irving: Yeah. We weren'!...
JUlie: That's interesting.
Irving: ... reaJly in it, in the right mood ....
Julie: Well there were some girls who came in to ....
Irving: ... 1 mean we were like, ·oh, let's just go see what's going to happen ....
Bekka: You didn't do it for the hell of it, or ... ?
Irving: Not truly believing. like when we did that thing, picking people up with our pinkies, that was
kind of weird, 'cause it really did work.
Bill: And it was light, it wasn't like picking up something heavy.
Irving: Yeah, yeah.
Bekka: 'Cause we did that when I was in elementary school, too. It had something to do with physics or
something, though. It's like a real th ing.
Irving: Something to do with ....
Bill: I always thought it was psychological.
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legend-Tripping Story
·St. Ann's Retreat-
Shaun Federico
July 25, 1991
Contextual Oa1a: This is another ghost story that Shaun told me at work one afternoon.
Bekka: Is this SI. Ann's Retreat?
Shaun: Yeah. O.k., this is, what is it again?
Bekka: 51. Ann's Retreat?
Shaun: O.k. Here we go. O.k., my friends came up from Salt lake City, told them about the St. Ann's,
the place where the mothers kill the babies. I don't know if you'Ve heard about the story or not. I have
some newspaper articles on it.
Bekka: Oh, really?
Shaun: And anyway ...
Bekka: Oh, can I xerox them? That would be cool.
Shaun: If I can find them, I'U find them, jf I don't I'U go look them up at the logan library. They're
there.
Bekka: 'Cause I can look them up if you know what dates and stuff.
Shaun: I'U gel them. Anyway. we, uh, we went up there when they wanted to see it, they'd heard
about it so we said we'll go all, all 'bout seven of us went up there, seven or eight. 'Bout three gins.
So we went up there and we didn'1 take a flashlight, we just didn't think and we just walked up. It was
during the light. And then we went up there, walked up, and we got, we saw the place and it looked
pretty normal, like, you know, o.k. And we just stayed up there, had a barbecue, and pretty ...
Bekka: Fun.
Shaun: And we had a good time, and it got dark. And, uh, all of a sudden, Shane said -lars go Inside.­'
Cause we didn't go inside yet, inside the big building.
Bekka: Un-hun (yes).
Shaun: And we went inside the building. And the floors were like shiny. You could see, the moon was
shining in from, into the glass. And you could see the floor and it was like shiny. And Shane's like
-there's blood on those boards, they shined them with blood: You know. And it looked like, It looked
like blood. Like, like all, I mean, it was Just freaky. And you COUldn't see, we didn'1 touch it.
Bekka: Oh, my gosh.
Shaun: So I'm bru ... I'm up in front brushing. I'm using like a brush, I had this big long brush, and, to
sweep it, and I'm like -I'm going to keep this in front of me and stuff in case somebody comes in front of
me.
Bekka: Un-hun (yes).
Shaun: I can, I can feel them. And, you know, I'm going up, and all of a sudden, you get up there, and I
hit the wall. And I mean, Whoall We're all running out, we hit the wall, we didn'1 know were we're
going 'cause there, it goes in around In a square. And we got lost, totally lost in there. And we went
out, and, um, finally we got out, and, uh, the light went off. And on. And off. And we thought -this is
i1. -
Bekka: Like the electric light?
Shaun: Yeah. And at the end ...
Bekka: Oh, my gosh.
Shaun: So we're like "we're out of hear." And we started running, we get cau . .lost 'cause we don'1
have a flashlight. So we're lost in the woods and we're all running. And then, uh, we finally made it
down.
Bekka: Cool.
Shaun: So you have to go up there and see it.
Bekka: I don'1 even know where it is. I had another friend tell me a story yesterday about the place.
Shaun: It's up around second dam, I think.
Bekka: It's up there in the woods somewhere.
Shaun: Yeah. We went back up to find it, we can't find it So we're going to have to go during the
( daylight and see if we can, pull off the side of the road and find it. There's a gate and every1hing. And
be sure to lock your car.
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Bekka: Hmm.
Shaun: 'Cause people do trick things. But it was really freaky, I mean. We saw the doberman pictures.
Bekka: You did?
Shaun: The, uh, there was like, uh, I think it was mostly, I think it was the ghost. I think mostly they
were ghost doberman pinchers. And we saw the pool. You untake, you undo the tarp and every1hing,
you can see the bloodstains in the cement. like ...
Bekka: Wow.
Shaun: ... they're brownish.
Bekka: Wow.
Shaun: Where they dropped the babies.
Bekka: So did they kill more than one baby?
Shaun: Oh, yeah.
Bekka: So what's the story? Tell me the story.
5haun: Oh they killed, they killed hundreds of babies. It was, what they'd do was, they had the babies,
it was like a nursery. And then just one day all of a sudden ... I think they only killed like eleven or
twelve. Yeah, I think that's right, I got from it (from the paper - 8ekka). And they just threw them
right into the, Into the pool.
Bekka: Weird.
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-Kaye's Cross· is a legend from the Kayesville area. The legend itself has elements of insanity
as well as that of violent death. Stefanle's story is very prominent in the aspect of conquering fear and
of proving herself to her friends. The entire legend-trip occurred because Stefanis didn't believe that
the cross was there, and her friends wanted to prove it 10 her. In this story, nothing supernatural
happens, but Stefanie does see the cross and that is enough to frighten her.
Legend-Tripping
-Kaye's Cross·
Stefanie Bjerregaard
July 23. 1991
Contextual Data: I told Stefanie and Jennifer about having to do a paper for my folklore class, and
asked them If they had any stories. This is one that Stefanis told that happened when she was in high
school.
Stefanie: Have you ever heard of Kaye's Cross?
Bekka: Un-un (no).
Stefanie: tt's, this one kind of freaked me out. tt's, the legend is there that a man who, it was like way
before Kayesville was Kayesville, but it was in that area, lived there in his little log cabin with his
wife and I don't know how many kids, three or four, I think. And, um, kind of like, it was kind of like
7he Shinning,- you know how he was like totally isolated and all alone and went crazy? That's what
this Is. This man was like, all alone, really isolated, they were like miles and miles from anything, and
he just went crazy one day.
Bekka: Hmmm.
Stefanie: And killed his wife and his kids, I can't remember how many he had. Anyway, killed his wife
and his kids, and there's this big gross story of how he killed them, too, but I can't remember that.
Anyway, he killed them, and then he, they lived like in a log cabin. Then he took all of the logs from the
cabin and built a huge cross ...
Bekka: Um-hum (yes),
Stefanie: ... and, ifs said that he buried them in there, like this two parts of the cross that come out,
he put like one baby here, one here, stood his wife up center in the cross ...
Jennifer: 0000.
Stefanie: ... and then, I think there was three kids, and then put another one on top. Anyway, all of
them were in this cross. And he like built the front of it, put the people in, and then finished it off with
the wood from the house. And there it's, they say ifs still standing. I didn't believe ii, you know, -no
it's not, no ifs not- and they're like -Ifs huge, it's like six feet tall and six feet wide, it's In this huge
cross" And I'm like -there is no cross stuck in the middle of Kayesville. That is just stupid.. I didn't
believe it, 'cause I don't really believe things like that.
Bekka: No, thafs how, kind of, I feel.
Stefanie: So, this group of people, you know, decided they were going to prove me wrong, took me up
there, and they're like ... Well, it was kind of an old boy ... Well, it's an old boyfriend now, kind of an on­off
boyfriend all through high school, and we were always fighting, and we fought about it one night. So
he's like ·come on, we're going, I'm going to prove you wrong right now" So ...
Bekka: What was the group like?
Stefanle: Well, it was me and him, and then like five of his friends and five of my friends. I mean we
went like in a huge group. See, I like when I'm like in a huge group I don't get scared that easy. It's like
when I'm all by myself, you know. So we go ...
Bekka: Always have another person or something. Yeah.
Stefanie: Yeah. So we go driving up there, you have to drive through a neighborhood, park in the
neighborhood and then like walk back through this field and it's like you're supposed to go really late at
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night, so it's totally dark. You can't see a thing, you're just walking through this field, and, we get
( down there. And the whole way, one of our friend's like saying ·oh, goll, I hear devil worshipers are
up here. And I hear .... like he expects us, they're just trying to scare me, and I'm like ·oh, yeah, cool,
cool, - you know, and walk down this big hill, and then, it's like a really steep hill, It's sort of like real,
it was real dark so I'm concentrating on gening down the hill without falling. Get to the bonom, look up
and you see just like this little glowing, like right around in the ground, but thars all you can see. And,
I stood there for a minute, and he's like -now do you believe me?- and I go -what? Someone's standing
there with a flashlightr And he goes -no, just walk closer. - And I'm like "there is nothing. Cory, or
Chad or one of your friends is probably standing there trying to scare me,· you know. And he's like
·come on, !ers see if maybe they're over there. - So, I started walking closer and closer and I grabbed
one of my friends 'cause I didn't dare go alone. So, we get a little closer and then you can see that
there's no light in the ground, but this big huge cross is still standing there. And it is huge, it's like, it
is about six feet tall, and it's like thaI thick, (about a foot - Bekka) like in width-wise in, you know, all
the way around, it is huge. And it looks old, really old, old, old. It is weird.
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Jennifer: I want to see it.
Bekka: Yeah, no doubt.
Stefanle: And It's just, it looks like the bonom of il just kind of glows, there was like, well I don't
know if there has, I'm sure no one would go put a light bulb in the ground. I didn't get close enough to
see, 'cause then I did get scared. And then we stood there for a minute, and then all of them took off
running, I think, I don't know if the heard something or if they were doing that to scare me even more,
then I turned around, ran up the hill, and then turned back around and you could still see like the light
and then once I knew what I was looking for. You could see just like the base of the cross, but you
couldn't see the whole Ihing until you got like way down to it. Then we walked off and that was It, I
mean, no one like saw any spirits or heard anything, but the huge cross is there and that's the story
that goes with it.
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-Emu's Grave- is just one of the many limes I went legend-tripping without really knowing the
legend. All I and my friends knew was that a ghost was supposed to come out of the grave, and we
wanted to see it happen. This story has illegal aspects, since we were trespassing in the Sail lake City
Cemetery at two In the morning. It definitely has the boredom element, since we did it after dancing
one night when nobody wanted to go home. Nothing supernatural happened, but we did get a good scare,
and I, at least. don't go into the Salt Lake City Cemetery at night anymore.
Legend·Tripping Story
-Emu's Gravew
Bekka Hanson
July 23, 1991
Contextual Data: Stefan ie, Jennifer, and I were talking about ghost stories and they had never heard
my experience with Emu's grave.
Bakka: All, right, we went up to go see Emu's grave, and it was me and Shaun (Hulse) and Scott
Mower, and Kitchell was with us ....
Stefanie: Is that the one you drive you drive around three times, you drive around in a circle three
times and the head will watch you?
Bekka: Oh, see I don't know. We never knew any of the legends. We're just stupid. We're like driving
down State Street one night like at two in the morning after we had been dancing ...
Stefanie: Un·hun (yes).
Bekka: None of us wanted to go home, we're all, like, bored. ·Hey, let's go check out Emu's Grave ..
And I'm like "well, what's that.·
Stefanie: Well, I don't know what it's called.
Bekka: But this ghost is supposed to come out of the grave. And we're like ·oh, o.k.· so we just drove
up.
Stefanie: Oh.
Bekka: But, we never knew what the story was.
Stefanie: O.k., that's a different one, then. O.k.
Bekka: There's one up In the Roy Cemetery then, you drive around it three times, or something?
Stefanie: No, I think mine's in Ogden. Now that I think about it, but I do.
Bekka: O.k. But, anyway, um .. so it's up there by the crematorium, so it's kind of in that old section
that's kind of in the back. I can't ever find the crematorium when I go up to drive around there.
Stefanie: Um·hum (yes).
Bekka: But, it's kind of in the back, and we're driving around and we got right by the crematorium and
we're looking for it, and we're all, we're all like kind of scared. I don't want to get out of the car. Me
and Kitchell are kind of going ·ahh .... and Scon and Shaun are like ·ah, you guys are wusses,· and
Shaun stops the car, starts opening the door, and I saw someone like running out from behind the
crematorium, and I'm like ·Shaun, somebody's here.· He's like ·yeah, right, that's your imagination.­And
I'm like ·no, Shaun, somebody's here,· and Kitchell's like ·check it out!· And all these people
started running from behind the crematorium, and they're all up in hoods and robes, black robes and
stuff, and they had like sticks and bats and shit, and Shaun was like almost all the way out of the car,
and he saw them and he jumped back in the car and shut the door and locked it, and they all came
running around the car.
Stefanie: Un·un (no).
Bekka: They're like banging on the car and shit. Shaun hurries and turns on the engine and we just
peeled out of there. They like busted his taillight and shit.
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Stefanis: You are kidding.
Bekka: 0h, my god, I'm sure they were devil worshipers. I have never been so scared in my Ufe.
Stsfanis: Oh, yeah.
Bekka: 'Cause what else would they be doing up there?
Stefanle: They're in like black robes, like all the way to the ground robes?
Bekka: Um-hum (yes). like those long robes with the long sleeves and the big hoods. Urn, and they
were all in black.
Stefanie: Weird.
Bekka: It was just freaky. So, I'm sure we interrupted some devil service that was going on up there.
Stefanie: Un-hun (yes). Oh, that's sick.
Bekka: But, I've never gone up to find Emu's grave since.
Stefanie: Now, what is supposed to happen, in thai one?
Bekka: Urn, there's supposed like, they told us the legend up in my folklore class, and Emu was either a
black guy or a Catholic or something non-Mormon.
Stefanie: Un-hun (yes).
Bekka: And was treated really bad by the Mormons, which was like clear back in the 1800s, and, it
was basically a Mormon town ...
Stefanie: Yeah.
Bekka: .. ,and everything, and, um, was persecuted really badly or something and he was the first guy
cremated up there. Urn, 'cause you know how the Mormons don't believe in cremation and all that?
Stefanie: Yeah,
8ekka: And, urn, he made a pledge. He said -I'm going to come back and get revenge on all you guys.­Stefanie:
Oh, just because he was non-Mormon ...
Bekka: And he got persecuted from that, I guess he was really ostracized from them so ....
Stefanie: And why'd he get persecuted?
8ekka: I don't know. He was either Catholic or black or something like that.
Stefanie: And just for that one reason?
Bekka: Yeah.
Stefanie: He didn't commit a crime?
Bekka: I don't think so. I don't know, he might have. I don't know.
Stefanie: Oh. And so he was just going to come back and get revenge, that's what it...
Bekka: Yeah, and at certain times his ghost's supposed to come out of the grave.
Stefanie: Do you like, are you supposed to do something or say something with this?
Bekka: See, I don't know. Probably.
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-Hobitland or Allan Park- was an adventure in proving ourselves that a girlfriend and I failed.
We refused 10 get out of the car. This occurred as the completion of a double..cate. Our dates lived up
around that area and wanted to scare us. Nothing even vaguely supernatural happened. This was also
an illegal trip, because Allan Park is a residential, p4'ivate community place.
legend-Tripping Story
-Hobitland or Allen Park-
Bekka Hanson
July 15, 1991
Contextual Data: I told Julie this story the same afternoon when we were just slHing around telling
ghost stories.
Bekka: We've done so many stupid things, though, like when we went through Allen Park - Hobitiand -
and we wouldn't get out of the car. It's like right across the street from Westminster, and I guess it
was like a big drug thing in the 'SOs, but somebody, there's IiHIe houses in there, there's all these little
houses, and they all have like sayings on them: ·repent for the hour of God is at hand"
Julie: Your kidding I
Bekka: I have no clue what the signifICance of it is. But Allen Park is kind of like, 'cause, o.k., you
know along 13th (east) how you can drive, and there's those roads that kind of go off in the middle of
the block? It's one of those. And then you go up in there and you go up the driveway and there's all
those little houses and there's a big courtyard in the middle with a big old fountain and then there's just
lots of apartment buildings and shit, and they're like really cheep housing for the students and that.
There's been a couple of real major drug busts up there, in Alien Park.
Julie: Wowl
Bekka: But it has a, back up through that block, you can go up there. It winds around for quite a ways,
and then I think it comes out at one of those parks up there. But it's like really a long little drive and it
just kind of winds around in those blocks up there.
Julie: Wow.
Bekka: We got to the courtyard and we made them tum around and go back 'cause we were like
freaking out. We wouldn't even get out of the car. 'Cause Allen Park's kind of creepy 'cause people
really live in there. It's kind of different, I mean, the Flintstone Park's scary but those people never
come out of their house and come yell at you or anything. When you're up there and irs all those really
old apartment buildings, there all kind of broken down anyway, and so we all kind of freaked out....
Julie: Geel
Bekka: ... .'cause people really live in there and there's cars coming in and out of there all the time, so I
don't want to be walking around in there ...
Julie: That's kind of freaky.
Bekka: ... because irs freaky, number one, and you don't know who lives in there, number two. And
I'm sure it's fairly harmless, 'cause it's just kind of like a student....
Julie: But you don't know.
Bekka: But you don't know, you know?
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"The Ogden Cemetery Statue- could be compared to "'The logan Cemetery Weeping Woman- In
( that, If the right conditions are present, the statue will do some kind of activity. In this case, the
statue watches the legend-trippers. The social element is strong in this story, as Is the boredom
element Stefanle Is undecided as to whether this story had an actual supernatural event occur, or If 11
was due to natural causes.
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legend-Tripping Story
"The Ogden Cemetery Statue-
Stefanle BJerregaard
July 23, 1991
Contex1ual Information: Stefan ie, Jennifer and I were telling ghost stories one night.
Stefanie: Well, mine aren't ghost stories. One of them Is Just a legend that, It's somewhere in Ogden.
Bekka: Um-hmm (yes).
Stefanle: I don't know if there's more than one cemetery In Ogden, I don't know. And anyway ...
Bekka: Well, where are you from?
Stefanie: Roy.
Bekka: Roy.
Stefanle: Yeah.
Bekka: O.k. I knew you were from down there somewhere, I Just couldn't remember where.
Stefanie: So, Irs up there somewhere, II's in the Ogden cemetery. I know irs like ... Do you know
where anything is in Ogden?
Bekka: Un-un (no).
Stefanle: Well...
Bekka: A few things, I know where Harrison Boulevard Is and Washington ..
Stefanie: O.k., you're on Harrison, and you go north all the way to the top, top, top, and then, um, o.k.,
then you can't go anymore. I think on Harrison you have to tum up and you get on Washington and you
see that big -Ogden- sign that goes across the road?
Bekka: Yeah.
Stefanie: O.k., right, there's like a right-hand turn-off, like right as you go underneath that. And then
you get there and there's a little thing called the fag lane or something like that. Have you heard of
that?
Bekka: Un-un (no).
Stefan Ie: It's weird. And then you drive down ...
Bekka: Is that where the homosexuals hang out or something?
Stefanie: Well, irs supposed to be that if you drive down it, you're supposed to drive down it once
with your lights on, and then, stop at the end, tum your lights off, turn them back on, and if someone
else flashes their lights at you it means they're interested and then you meet and see if you're the same
sex and if you are ... Anyhow, that's not a ghost story, so that won't fit in there.
Bekka: Oh, my gosh.
Stefanle: Anyway, back at the (Something) it's like a really old cemetery, reaJly rickety, and anyway,
it has this big statue of a man on a horse, like rearing back, standing In the middle of the cemetery.
And I don't know if irs like a monument for someone, or if it's Just a statue put there, but the legend
Is ... And II's like a road all around it And the legend Is ....
Bekka: like your car go a courtyard or something?
Stefanle: Yeah. Yeah. And if you, they say if you drive around II...S88 you're supposed to park, like, I
can't remember, It's either behind the horse or directly in front of the horse, I can't remember. it's
been a long time. But anyway, park right there, do something, and then after that start driving around
( three times, and like the man is ... I think it's behind the horse, 'cause the man is like tuming his head
over his shoulder. look straight into the statue's eyes, drive around three times, and the whole time
keep looking at this man's eyes, and after the third time, his head will start to follow you and jf it's, I
don't know, a full moon or something, the horse will put jrs front hooves down, and ...
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Bekka: Whoa.
Stefanie: I think irs just after you drive around three times, you're dizzy, so anything looks like it's
following you, but, urn, my personal thing, every time we went up there to do it, and he always looked
like he was following me, but after three times, I get dizzy really easy. So. after three times, I was
always dizzy, and It, everything looked like it was following me. But my friends swore that they don't
get dizzy and that it was really following.
Bekka: Um-humm (yes).
Stefanie: And something about if the moon's right, the horse'll put it's hooves down and rear up
backwards or something, anyway, I never saw it happen, but thars the legend. So ...
Bekka: How many times did you guys go and do this?
Stefanie: Uke every Friday that we were bored.
"The Devil House- is a Utah county story that involves a supposedly haunted house. This story
( also has the element of a statue momentarily coming to life, if the conditions are right. Julie believes
the supernatural aspect Is the fact that they could not find the house, even when they wrote the
address down. It was always luck that they found it. This aspect is sometimes associated with a
legend·trip, as it was in Shaun's accounl of -S1. Ann's Retreat.-
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Legend·Tripping Story
"The Devil House-
Julie Johnson
Logan, Utah
July 15, 1991
Contextual Data: At Irving and Joe's apartment, telling ghost stories. Besides Irving and Joe, Bill,
Julie and I were also there.
Julie: There's this house in Provo, and it's white, and everyone, everybody would call It the Devil
House, 'cause on the outside of that, underneath the eaves there's a sculpture of a man's face, you
know his head like gargoyle and stuff, but there was just one face.
Bekka: Uh·uh (yes).
Julie: And supposedly if you went there like at midnight or whatever, irs always midnight or a full
moon ...
Bekka: Yeah.
Julie: ... you can see his eyes glowing red.
Bekl&lt;a: 000.
Julie: We never could. We always called it gho ... Devil House, though. And Lisa's sister moved in there
after she got married. It wasn't haunted, it was supposed to be haunted, too, but she said that they
never found anything weird.
Bekka: Hmm. Thars interesting how those things get around.
Julie: That was a cool thing, but we could never find the house, we'd always have to, always have to
remem ... memorize the address, and then when it was ... we could never remember il when we went
back.
Bekka: Um·hm (yes).
Julie: And we would like write it down, and then it was always like the wrong address. We could
never remember where it was, we always just happened 10 come upon it. I thought that was really
creepy.
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-Gilgal or the Flintstone Park- is one of the most interesting places I've ever been to. It's a
whole little park crammed full of statuary, which we describe in some detail. This park is on private
property in the middle of a block in downtown Salt Lake, so the trespassing Issue does come into play.
This legend-trip is interesting because nothing supernatural is supposed to happen. Irs just a weird
place that I believed was demonic and Julie had heard ·you're supposed to feel all creepy,- There's no
ghosts or statues that come to life, but It's possibly some of the most interesting legend-trips I've ever
been on. The aspect of conquering fear and proving of one's self is a strong part of this legend-trip.
I went back to the Flintstone Park at the first part of August, and it's just as weird in the
daylight. I took my mother, who likes this kind of thing, and she is well versed in Mormonism. She
knew what everything was supposed to be. We ran into some people who were taking care of the trees
and grass In the park, and they told us where the owners lived. We went to their house and got the
pamphlet that Is enclosed in this paper. It destroyed a lot of what I had believed about the park, and I
really liked my version better.
What's funny about mine and Julie's conversation is that we're so wrong about most of the
park. I'm wrong more than Julie is. We're also talking about completely different houses that you
trespass through to get to the park. Mine Is on the east side of the house, and her's is on the south.
legend-Tripping Story
-Gilgal or the Flintstone Park-
Julie Johnson
Bekka Hanson
July 15, 1991
Contextual Data: It's the same afternoon when we told the other ghost stories. This started out as
Julie's story and kind of merged into mine. It's pretty much just a conversation about Gilgal.
Bekka: Tell me what happened when you went to Gilgal.
Julie: We just went
Bekka: Who'd you go with?
Julie: It was on a double date with these guys.
Bekka: You were?
Julie: Yeah, it was over Christmas. They weren't even like friends of mine, really, and this, yeah,
after we went to Cafe Pierpont I ~ust said -well, let's go,· and one of the other guys knew where it was
too, which I think, I hate that, because everyone knows about it now. It's like the thing to go, and you
can't go, you can't go when your not alone. There's always somebody there, and you have to sneak,
you have to know where you're going ....
Bekka: 'Cause I didn't realize it was that big anymore, 'cause when we went it was like when I was in
high school. I'd never heard of it and we would go and there'd never be anybody there. We'd go
Saturday nights and stuff and nobody would ever be there.
Julie; 'cause every time I'Ve been there's been people there, every time. It's just a weird place.
Bekka: What did you think about it? Describe it. Tell me some things in it
Julie: Well, I remember, there's like, the guy was supposedly a Mormon, and a Mason or something,
so he had a lot of, like, symbolism, like he has that big stack of books, like the four standard works,
they're huge.
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Julie: That's huge, and then he has like that birdhouse, that realty, it's up high and irs supposed 10 be
like the Brigham Young's house and all his wives. There's like a lot of symbolism like that, the guy who
we went with was telling us, and there's like that big mount, that's supposed to be, like ....
Bekka: The beehive or whatever that is?
Julie: No, he told me it was like supposed to be like the, some Book of Mormon place, (I'm) not sure,
'cause then on the other side they have like that giant face, and the giant foot, like when they were
conquered by some giants or something.
Bekka: Uumm.
Julie: I don't know. (cut) And there's a big Joseph Smith sphinx head.
Bekka: Cause that's what I remember, and I remember the Brigham Young statue, too.
Julie: Then there's a statue of him in his little plaid brick pl'int pants, and there's a picture of, like the
head of his wife, and then there's -
Bekka: I heard that his wife was buried In there under the sphinx statue ....
Julie: Ugggi
Bekka: ... which they used to do back in the pioneer days, so that isn't that weird for back then, but it's
kind of creepy to think thaI....
Julie: Then there's like that little oven thing, like that shows .... then the pitchfork and stuff, that
shows the pioneer work. What else? Then there's like a, well, all those rocks have those scriptures
etched in all of them, and then, on one part it like describes GilgaJ, 'cause I didn't know what it was, it's
like ....
Bekka: 'Cause I don't know what Gilgal is.
Julie: U's like a sacrificial, somewhere in the Bible it was like a sacrificial place, like MI. Sinea or
something, GilgaJ was a place like that. It's a Biblical place.
Bekka: 'Cause what we heard about it was that it was all twisted and demonic, because aJl the
scriptures are kind of twisted.
Julie: Are they?
Bekka: Yeah, and like Brigham Young is facing the wrong direction when he's reaching out for -this Is
the place,· and everything Is supposed to be twisted.
Julie: Really?
Bekka: It's all Mormonism, but it's all supposed to be twisted.
Julie: Could be, could be.
Bekka: And if Gilgal's the sacrificial place, 'cause seriously, you read those scriptures and some of
them are really well known. he's like worded them differently. I mean, they say ....
Julie: I guess I never really noticed that, 'cause we went in the snow and we really couldn't, I mean,
we saw that there were scriptures.
Bekl&lt;a: Yeah.
Julie: Huh. There's a couple of other places, too, that, or other spots that I can't remember what they
were, but I they were supposed to be like indicative of some Bible story, or something. It's supposed to
be all symbolic.
Bekka: It's been so long that I can't remember half the stuff that's in there.
Julie: It's not all that big.
Bekl&lt;a: It's fun to go with someone who knows it all, too, because ....
Julie: Well, this guy could have been all full of shit, too, but he seemed, I mean, It seemed to fit.
Bekl&lt;a: I don't know, cause I've heard pretty much the same thing, too. And see, that birdhouse,
Brigham Young's house, that's supposed to mean something.
Julie: Is it like demonic? Oh really?
Bekka: Yeah.
Julie: That's kind of creepy.
Bekka: That bird house is supposed to mean something, I'm not sure what, but the whole thing is
supposed to be twisted Mormonism.
Julie: Then there's like that big thank you, there's a big slab that he gives all his thanks to, like a
whole list of people, 'cause it seems like, I heard that when you go there you're supposed to feel all
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Bekka: W. did, but we went in the middle of the night.
Julie: Oh, I didn't at all. We were there at midnight, too, and it was like, I was like, Whooo!. this is
reaUy cool. I felt really calm.
8ekka: Hmm.
Julie: So I didn't feel bad vibes at all, except you have to trespass to get past. I always feel bad about
doing that. •.•
Bekka: Me too.
Julie:
Bekka:
.... .'cause I don't want 10 get in trouble ....
Me too.
Julie: .... and piss off the people who own it. My dad wants 10 go; he thinks that's really interesting.
Bekka: My mom wants to go, too. That's cool if you can go in the daytime and just check it out.
Julie: I think you can. Maybe that sign's really old 'cause it's like inside ...
Bekka: Do you guys go behind the house to get in ...
Julie: Uh-uh (yes).
Bekka: ... or Is there another way through the block to get in?
Julie: I don't know, 'cause we went through the house.
Bekka: 'Cause last time we went in we went right behind those poor people's ...
Julie: And always their lights on. That is a creepy house, it's like ..
Bekka: That Is a creepy house.
Julie: Always there's always lights on.
Bekka: It's so run down and everything, too.
Julie: Thafs a creepy house.
Bekka: When we went there, they had these big black dogs out back, too ...
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Bekka: Oool! Beasts of the Devil, Beasts of Satan.
Julie: Cool!
Bekka: We'd say all these things and get all in the mood to be all freaked out.
Julie: And then there's that little grove thing, like the sacred grove right when you first walk in, by
the swing set, that like leads to the garden.
Bekka: That's right, I forgot that one, too. It's pretty big, man, it takes up quite a bit of that inner
block.
JUlie: Yeah, it does, it does.
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Real Ghosts Stories
These are stories which mayor may not be about actual ghosts. In the three samples I have
here, none of the people believed in ghosts until the strange things began to occur. Irving's story could
have some logical explanations, but Shaun's and especially Jennifer's defy any kind of natural causal
explanation. The Interesting thing about .Jennifer's story is how completely she believes It, and yet
how at the same time she doesn't want anyone 10 know about it She is afraid people will think she's a
crackpot.
It is also interesting that all of these people have a college education. They are not Illiterate
and uneducated. This goes along with what Dr. David Hufford found in his study of the old hag
experience in that, oftentimes, education has nothing 10 do with belief In the supematuraL Many highly
educated and experienced people believe in ghosts. Or. Hufford told of a lawyer who was having regular
old hag experiences. He wrote to Dr. Hufford after reading his book "The Terror that Comes In the
Night- to tell him that he agreed with Dr. Hufford in that this experience was due to sleep paralysis. He
went on 10 say that he now understood that sleep paralysis made it possible for the demons to get at
him.
In -Shelly's Ghost; I think you'll understand why this person chose to be known as Irving Berlin
Jones. Culturally, I think this is a fascinating story. It fits so completely with the drug scene. You
( often hear stories of poltergeists and how they move things and hide things, but this Is the first
poltergeist I've ever heard of that leaves gifts.
Real Ghosts Stories
-Shelly's Ghost-
Irving Berlin Jones
July 15, 1991
Contextual Data: This story was told the same afternoon as Joe's Eric Claplon story. Julie and Bill
were there as well as myself.
Irving: How bout the ghost who \eaves half sheet of acid and bags of pot just lying around the
apartment?
Bekka: This is great. This is good, tell us this story. Tell me your name.
Joe: My name Is Engelbert Humperdink.
Irving: I don't think I want my name associated with this story. (cut) It all started, they found this
half sheet of acid In their freezer. And they were like, -Hmm. Did you leave this here?- -No:
Bekka: Who's they?
Irving: Umm, John ...
Joe: Frank and Bob.
Irving: John and Bob. And John said -did you leave this in the freezer, Frank?- and Frank said -no, I
didn't.-
Bill: Who's Frank?
Irving: -Did you leave it, John?- and John said -oh. that's not mine. - And so they were asking their
friends and their friends, none of them had stashed it there. And it was a kind that nobody had seen
before. So they tried it, and It was just really good, so they were stuck with a half-sheet of really
good acid. And they said ...
Joe: Stuck with.
( Irving: And they said they kept finding like little bags of pot just around, too, which maybe like they
left themselves from smoking so much. The sheet was pan of the adventure.
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Julie: Edit that pan out, Bek, they didn't leave It, no.
Irving: O.k., the ghost left that, well they said the ghost left It. They couldn't remember Mtaving It and
it would be In weird places, too, like, weird places In the fridge and stuff.
Joe: The ghost that leaves the pot. I never can get a lease (something). Well, hey, here's a half a kil
of coke. wheewll
Irving: And then Da .. um, Larry had a brush with the Incident Just when we were up visiting him. He
was home doing some taping, like dubbing fIVe or six tapes he'd borrowed from friends, and he said he'd
get up and like go find a pencil to write down the songs and come back and the tape cover would be gone,
and he'd look for the tape cover and find it like in the bathroom or in the kitchen, or someplace like not
right around the stereo which is where everything was. And he found one of the tapes under his
mattress, like his mattress was on the floor, so it's not like really weird, like stuck in between the
mattress and his bed, but just on the floor under the mattress. And just weird things like that. And
they claim Ifs Shelly's ghost.
Bekka: Who's Shelly?
Irving: The girl that used to live there before them.
Bekka: What happened to her? Why'd she die?
Irving: She moved to Portland.
Julie: Oh, she moved to Ponland.
Bekka: So she's not dead?
Irving: Well, I've. she's actually a good ghost. She's a good person. too. I've met her, she·s ....
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Irving: The only tricks she plays are usually not malicious. but it's just stuff like hiding pencils or
books or .••. stuff.
Bill: like bestowing gifts.
Irving: Or leaving gifts.
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·Shane's Ghosr is a rather disturbing story of a violent ghost attack. This happened to Shaun's
twin brother, Shane, while he was staying in California. Shane's first explanation was that it was the
black dude who was out to get him, but it soon became evident that this explanation could nol be
correc1.
Real Ghosts Stories
·Shane's Ghost-
Shaun Federico
July 25, 1991
Contextual Data: I talked to my friends at work about ghost stories. Shaun had several that he wanted
to share. This one is about his twin brother.
Shaun: I've got one about my brother.
Bekka: Kay, tell me the one about your brother.
Shaun: Kay, he moved ...
Bekka: These are great. I love it
Shaun: ... to California, and at the time he was going out with this, with this girl that this black dude, he
liked her. too. And he said. you came ... He threatened him several times when he went like to the
burger bar.
Bekka: Un-hun (yes).
Shaun: In California. And he threatened him several times that he was going to kill him. And Shane
says, ·un-un (no), no you're not,· and, um, so, as he went home that night, he went to sleep. And he,
he didn't get drunk, and he went to sleep, passed out and went to sleep, and then he, all of a sudden,
somebody lifted him up out of his bed, threw him against the wall and said ·oh, crap'· He got his knife,
and he thought, he thought it was the black dude that threatened him, went into his house. And he
started to go like this and duck and there was nobody there. And he was lifted right off the ground.
Bekka: Oh, my gosh. Did he ever see anybody or ... ?
Shaun: Nope. It was he, he just stood there for five minutes off the ground and he Just looked and
(knock, knock) trying to feel the floor. He said that it was the most weirdest feeling that's ever felt.
Bekka: Oh, my gosh.
Shaun: It's freaky.
Bekka: Gee. Thafs pretty good. And did it ever come back?
Shaun: Um-um (no). But the next day he packed his bags and left California. Went home.
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-AUysa- is the most bizarre ghost story I was told during my little research project Into the
supernatural. As in Shaun's story, there is no legend to go along with the events. Jennifer has said
that she would like to go to the county records and see if she could find out what happened, if anything,
on her father's property.
I know Jennifer pretty well, and she's a down-la-earth, very logical person. These events
have bothered her and have frightened her because she has no rational explanation for them. This story
is also un-nerving because the ghost seems to be fair1y hostile. Irs interesting the way Jennifer tells
these stories. She puts forth her argument in a logical and rational way. and tries to explain events
that have nothing 10 do with rationality. I honestly don't know how some of these events could have
occurred unless there is an actual ghost living in her father's house. The events also occur fairly
regularly. Almost every time Jennifer comes back to logan, she has a new story about Allysa.
Real Ghost Stories
-Allysa-
Jennifer Harding
July 23, 1991
Contextual Data: This is the same night that Stefanie told me Kaye's Cross and the Ogden Cemetery
Statue stories. Jennifer had no desire whatsoever to be taped, and I wanted to respect her wishes.
The following is my own paraphrasing.
Jennifer started by saying that there was a ghost in her father's house. He goes on business
trips a lot, and is very careful to lock the doors and turn off all the lights. Many times when he comes
home from his trips, however, the garage door and house doors will be wide open, and all the lights In
the house will be on. Jennifer emphasized the fact that nothing was ever missing in the house, and such
events could not be due to burglary or other similar incidents. Jennifer herself has heard the ghost on
many different occasions. When she stays with her lather, she uses an upstairs bedroom that is by the
stairs. She has often heard footsteps running up the stairs and to the end of the hall, and then back
again. When she goes out to investigate, no one is ever there. She confessed that it makes her very
nervous sometimes, since her father's room Is downstairs and on the opposite side of the house.
Jennifer told us that her niece, whose nickname is Budd, actually saw the ghost when she was
younger. Jennifer said that Budd Is a precocious child and began speaking at a very young age. She told
Jennifer that there was a girl living in the house by the name of Allysa, and that she was about ten
years old. Budd described her as having long brown hair and red eyes, and that she wore funny, old
fashioned clothes. She claimed that Allysa had a favorite toy, which belonged to Jennifer. It was a
stuffed elephant. Budd claimed many times that she played with Allysa. One afternoon, however, when
Budd was about three, Jennifer found her crying in the living room. Budd said that Allysa was very
mad at her and wanted to hurt her. Jennifer tried to comfort her by telling her Allysa did not exist.
Budd then said that Allysa was on the stairs at that very moment and was watching them. Jennifer
picked up Budd and walked towards the stairs. Budd became extremely upset, and kept repeating that
Allysa wanted to hurt her. Jennifer told me that at about age five, Budd didn't see Allysa any more,
and Budd is no longer scared of the ghost.
Jennifer told me of another time about a year ago when Allysa was fairly hostile. She had
invited several friends over to the house and they were watching videos and eating pizza. One of the
boys went downstairs to build a fire. Jennifer said he screamed and came running back up the stairs.
He had a big gash over his eye that was bleeding badly. He said that as he was laying the logs in the
fireplace, something picked one of them up and hurled it at him. The log hit his forehead. Jennifer and
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her friends took him In for stitches. None of her friends at that party knew about the ghost.
The last incident Jennifer told me about occurred around her father's birthday. They had gotten
about twenty helium balloons and had put them in the living room. The went Into the kitchen for a while
and when they came back all the balloons were missing. They turned up all in her father's bedroom,
which is down the hall and at a 90 degree turn from the living room. They gathered up the balloons and
took them back to the living room. Jennifer explained that in her father's living room, the ceiling Is
made of oak beams which hang down into the room. The ceiling is nol a flat surface. All three adults
watched the balloons move, one by one, down around the beams, down the hall, make the 90 degree
turn, and end up back in her father's room. She said this happened twice more, and then they decided to
leave the balloons in her father's room. Jennifer also explained that none of the windows were open,
and that her father has a circulatory heating so there are no vents In the house. There were no drafts
to push the balloons along, and even if there were, they would not have been able to go around the
beams.
I asked Jennifer who she thought Allysa was, and she said that there used to be an old log cabin
that adjoined her father's property. It was torn down when her father built his house. Jennifer says
that between where the old cabin used to be and her father's house there is a mound in the lawn that
Jennifer thinks is the right size to be a small grave. She's tried to get her father to dig It up several
times, but he doesn't think that's a very good idea.
Jennifer thinks her father is frightened of the ghost, but will not admit it. He will not speak of
the ghost to anyone outside of their immediate family, and he forbids any of his children to mention it.
Jennifer says he does that because he doesn't think anyone would believe such a story and he doesn't
want to look ridiculous. Jennifer has many of the same feelings herself.
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Stories of the Devil
Every one of the legend-tripping stories in this paper, with the exception of -The Ogden
Cemetery Statue- and '"The Devil House,· also has a devil worshiping story that goes along with h.
This is a really disturbing trend to me. My story of -Emu's Grave- deals almost exclusively with the
fact that my friends and I got chased by what we believe were devit worshipers. I believe that is the
reason why most of the Utah cemeteries are closed after a certain hour at night 11 seems to be a trend
that gets bigger and bigger every year.
Julie had so many of these stories that I could have done a paper entirely on her. She suggested
I title it • Julie Johnson's Bedtime Stories.· Perhaps it's because she comes from Utah county which is
notorious for all the devil cults that supposedly exist there. This is a really Interesting fact since Utah
county is also supposed be the holiest county in Utah as far as the LOS church is concerned.
Julie was not the only one with devil worshiping stories, however. Jennifer knew quite a bit
about Jay's Joumal. Stefanie said that Kaye's Cross is a place where the devil cults meet. Both of
Shaun's legend-tripping stories ended with accounts of devil worship. I myself have a few stories of
this genre.
I don't know why this is becoming the trend in supematural stories. I don't remember ever
telling them when I was younger. I remember starting to hear about the devil cults when I was in high
school, but I'm sure they've been around much longer. I do believe in the devil worshiping cults, but I'm
not sure that all the stories that are told can be accredited to them. If that were the case, either every
other person would have to be a devil worshiper, or they get around a lot
I included this story of Julie's, first of all, because she had so many of them, and secondly,
because I wanted to include an example of this in my paper. h is a fairly typical version of a devil
worshiping story. They usually include contact with demons of some kind, violent acts such as
sacrifices and extreme vandalism, intense secrecy surrounding the cult itself. This secrecy extends to
the point of killing members who want to get away from these practices.
In this version, it's interesting thai Julie says the punk kids go out there all the time. Punk kids
aren't necessarily devil worshipers, but in this story it seems that they are.
Stories of the Devil
-Jay's Journal-
Julie Johnson
July 15, 1991
Contextual Information: This was a banner afternoon for ghost stories. Julie and I were just sitting
around swapping stories.
Julie: Well, I know that out in Pleasant Grove, that Jay's Journal book .. ..
Bekka: Un-hun (yes).
Julie: It's based on, was that journal of the guy thai went devil worshiping.
(
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Bekka: Oh, tell me Jay's Journal. Did you guys go out there and like, see it?
JUlie: Oh, yeah.
Bekka: O.k., tell me this story.
Julie: Well, have you read the book?
Bekka: Un-un (no).
Julie: Well, let me tell you, it goes ....
Bekka: Kay. lell me about Jay's Journal.
Julie: Well it's just about a young teenaged boy. it's about a teen-aged boy who got into devil
worshiping and the journal, he got in deeper and deeper and deeper and he couldn't get out. He tried to
get out and just couldn't ...
Bekka: And he just kept a journal about it?
Julie: Un-hun (yes), and he ended up killing himself, and a friend of mine - I met this guy down in Cedar
City at school, and he was his nephew, of Jay and the grandma still has the gun he shot himself with,
and they still like relive it, like ...
Bekka: How old was he, then?
Julie: He was just a teenager.
Bekka: Well, I mean like generation wise.
Julie: I think It was back in the sixties, I think. It wasn't very long ago, anyway. It was just really
sad. And then his grave it was - I don't know if Pleasant Grove is one of the ones like Provo that has
the ones, all the stand up ones - I don't know if it was unusual if his was a stand up one or not, but, it
was Just a slab, a stand up slab that had a poem on it that said basically -don't do what I did, I fucked up
really bad, - kind of thing. It's a beautiful poem. And then it had his picture of him, creepy as hell.
Bekka; Like carved into it, or was it an actual photograph?
Julie: It was a photograph.
Bekka: Like that baby one in Logan.
Julie: Freaky, his eyes were just really freaky.
Bekka: Weird.
Julie: Yeah. And I guess it was really popular for all the punk kids to go out there all the time, like at
midnight. I don't know actually what they did, but they had to move the grave. They either moved it or
they just took off that tombstone and changed the tomb or something. I think they actually moved the
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